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Cricket 2019

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Voll Blau

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On 22/01/2020 at 19:00, MattP said:

This regime appears to be trying to ignore it abit.

 

Zubyr can be dropped though as they are currently ok for "non whites" quota - but there is a separate quota for blacks so Bavuma will come in for him.

 

No wonder half the decent players on the fringes are jacking it all in for a Kolpak contract instead.

 

Sky did a good piece with Ntini and he's against the system as well, it seems to be politicians rather than cricketers forcing it upon them.

 

Was chatting to a (white) Saffer mate about this a while back. His main point was basically it doesn't really solve anything because all of the black players who've made it (I think he said apart from Bavuma) aren't township kids, they went to the same fancy schools and came through the same kind of educational/coaching pathways as many of their white counterparts.

 

As usual, it comes down to administrators and politicians trying to solve a more complex issue with what they think is an easy solution which can be quickly implemented. Surely better funding at grassroots level is the key, even if it takes decades for the rewards to become obvious at the top level?

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1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

Was chatting to a (white) Saffer mate about this a while back. His main point was basically it doesn't really solve anything because all of the black players who've made it (I think he said apart from Bavuma) aren't township kids, they went to the same fancy schools and came through the same kind of educational/coaching pathways as many of their white counterparts.

 

As usual, it comes down to administrators and politicians trying to solve a more complex issue with what they think is an easy solution which can be quickly implemented. Surely better funding at grassroots level is the key, even if it takes decades for the rewards to become obvious at the top level?

One of the other problems it creates is the pressure and weight onto the black players - sometimes you need to rest or take a cricketer out the team, with quotas Rabada has to play everytime he's half fit. Not good at all long term.

 

Won the toss and chose to bat today - that's a very risky decision on a quick pitch with rain about.

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2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

 

Was chatting to a (white) Saffer mate about this a while back. His main point was basically it doesn't really solve anything because all of the black players who've made it (I think he said apart from Bavuma) aren't township kids, they went to the same fancy schools and came through the same kind of educational/coaching pathways as many of their white counterparts.

 

As usual, it comes down to administrators and politicians trying to solve a more complex issue with what they think is an easy solution which can be quickly implemented. Surely better funding at grassroots level is the key, even if it takes decades for the rewards to become obvious at the top level?

 

Well, the Springboks don't have a racial quota. Way back in '07 when they won the World Cup with only two black players in the team, Thabo Mbeki (president at the time) made a point of stating that the country doesn't put anywhere near investment in to sports development and one of their biggest mistakes is not giving resources to groups trying to develop young black kids in the game, the sports minister even then (also black) agreed that quotas were essentially bullshit politics to make South Africa look better globally and called them a failed experiment.

 

Fast forward twelve years and the Springboks have just won another world cup, this time with about nine or ten black and coloured players including the captain, who was born in the townships.

 

The one thing I would query though is the bit about how the black players "came through the same schools", because plenty of the rugby guys were born to shit poor backgrounds but went to private schools and colleges because they got sports scholarships to play rugby. Are the cricket guys ACTUALLY from privileged families or were they from poor families and ended up going to good schools because they could play a sport?

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17 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Without wanting to put the mockers on, these two look like they make a solid opening partnership and appear to be able to bat time. Does Burns get back in the team when fit if they continue to develop?

Yeah because we need to phase Denly out given his age. 

 

Long way for Crawley to go though to prove he is at this level.

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31 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

The one thing I would query though is the bit about how the black players "came through the same schools", because plenty of the rugby guys were born to shit poor backgrounds but went to private schools and colleges because they got sports scholarships to play rugby. Are the cricket guys ACTUALLY from privileged families or were they from poor families and ended up going to good schools because they could play a sport?

Rabada's dad is a doctor, though someone like Makhaya Ntini was discovered playing barefoot in the street as a kid. I think the point my mate was trying to make is that the quota system, as opposed to proper grassroots funding, isn't going to give South Africa a chance of finding a middle ground whereby black kids from poor backgrounds can develop through organised clubs or the schools they attend having access to better facilities and coaching.

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56 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

The one thing I would query though is the bit about how the black players "came through the same schools", because plenty of the rugby guys were born to shit poor backgrounds but went to private schools and colleges because they got sports scholarships to play rugby. Are the cricket guys ACTUALLY from privileged families or were they from poor families and ended up going to good schools because they could play a sport?

 

9 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Rabada's dad is a doctor, though someone like Makhaya Ntini was discovered playing barefoot in the street as a kid. I think the point my mate was trying to make is that the quota system, as opposed to proper grassroots funding, isn't going to give South Africa a chance of finding a middle ground whereby black kids from poor backgrounds can develop through organised clubs or the schools they attend having access to better facilities and coaching.

A lot of the problem with a sport like cricket is actually the cost of different parts of the game as well that even effects this country, let alone one like South Africa.

 

Over the last couple of decades almost all our batters come from private schools or wealthy families that can spare the cost of decent personal batting equipment at a young age whereas the bowlers we have seem to overwhelmingly come from the Midlands and the North.

 

I don't think South Africa will have a problem producing black fast bowlers, black batsmen will be the issue - they only have Bavuma close to the test squad and he averages a pathetic 31 in nearly 40 innings.

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Anyone else seen this by the way? The most Australian injury in history...

 

 

 

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In Victoria, Hastings seconds skipper Jayden Regan was pumped up after his side removed Dromana’s batsmen Jeff Bluhm for 99.

The pair had been going back and forth throughout the entirety of Bluhm’s innings, according to the Herald Sun, when he was eventually dismissed and Regan decided to cash in.

Regan took his verbal tirade to the next level, but it backfired dramatically when his jaw popped out of place.

 

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2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Without wanting to put the mockers on, these two look like they make a solid opening partnership and appear to be able to bat time. Does Burns get back in the team when fit if they continue to develop?

As an attacking midfielder I've heard :D

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On 24/01/2020 at 13:15, MattP said:

black batsmen will be the issue - they only have Bavuma close to the test squad and he averages a pathetic 31 in nearly 40 innings.

One Test Match ton in his whole career they said today when he arrived at the crease lol

 

This series has turned into a bit of a farce to be  honest, it's hard to see them competing at the top level for some time with FAF retiring and Elgar also coming towards the end.

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I reckon this series,could See a crucial turning point for Englands Next 7-10 years .

From 1-11,we have 13-15,real Top players,where...:-

Opener situation..3 young batsman..Crawley,Sibley,Burns.  Where Any 1 of them could Drop down to No3.

*No3..Denley not going on to any 100s,but isnt a rabbit in headlights,and often gets a decent 30-50+..

Middle Order Now stronger,we can carry the odd player,Not getting +30 Score or off form.

Pope has given is  with Curran 2 new young stars.

 

This takes long Time or various Series pressure Off Root and selectors,panicking over wicket keeper...

Whether,Folkes,Butler,or Bairstow,they can 1st concentrate on their keeping,then if occasionally dip in with a big innings,or helps but no heavy pressure to deliver

every 1-2 games...Though now,it might be prudent and fair and for competition (After the dropping of Bairstow) ,

to decide either before or straightafter the Sri-Lanka Series time to bring in again  either Bairstow or Folkes...or again Cover for that *3rd spot,we havent yet quite

Solved...though again Denley gives us usually 30-40+ runs,then a 2nd string Spin option...#

 

The fear of What happens After Anderson + Broad,should no longer be there...

We have with Wood,Archer,Curran Plus a couple of others that gives us a solid future...> still hoping the 2 vets can give is 3-5yrs.< In the Spirit of Vardy..

Then the various Spin options...Leach,Bess,again others Making loud noises, also with a Maybe a rejuvanated Moen Ali...

 

# I wouldnt mind seeing either again Bairstow or Folkes ,Coming in at 3,with or without gloves...We have that choice...we should Think deeper  how we can use the 3. Would be Wkt keeper or just batters..!!!

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Excellent win for England. As bad as South Africa are its not easy to win away from home. Had to work very hard and show good patience. Wood is great, if he stays fit I reckon he'll keep Archer out of this side until Broad retires.

 

In some ways, the swinging ball in England is the bigger test for these new batsmen. A few have gone abroad and done well initially but struggled at home. Good progress though and seem to have a settled batting line up, depending on whether they stick with Denly for a bit.

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Great series win - best one for Root as captain as well.

 

Think Sri Lanka away will be tougher than this, an argument now to leave Anderson out for that assuming we play two/three spinners.

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