Soar Fox Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 EFL has made it a policy football league clubs must interview at least one black, Asian and minority candidate. Utterly ridiculous, imagine being the black man only being interviewed because he has to be. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/48555148
Mike Oxlong Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 If I was BAME I’d apply for every job going just for the hell of it I did once run the line in a minis football tournament so am eminently qualified
Corky Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 Article offers very little. Talks about under-representation but what is a fair or accurate representation?
everton carr Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 How long before we adopt the quota system like the South Africa cricket team which means there must be 6 non white players in every side regardless if there good enough
StanSP Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 I still don't understand why this rule is a thing. Is it not the case that someone's attributes and qualities means they'll be good for the job? Not skin colour? Isn't this just an official method of positive discrimination? Giving someone a job interview because of their skin colour regardless of capability of doing the role?
RowlattsFox Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 What if none apply? I suppose it's like the guaranteed interview for people with disabilities as long as they meet the essential criteria. I don't know what football clubs could set as essential criteria though. The press are already writing the story that BAME candidates are interviewed but none get jobs meaning racism still exists.
tom27111 Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 Paul Ince is going to be interviewed by everyone, just to get turned down! Where does it stop? That blind guy should have a job, so should that bloke in a wheelchair. What about women? Surely they need interviewing under equality? And the gay bloke? Its ridiculous. If you're good enough for a job, you'll get a job. Interviewing based on skin colour is discrimination anyway. Political correctness has become a parody of itself.
urban.spaceman Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 February 6th, 2020: “Bolton Wanderers FC are thrilled to introduce Nicolas Anelka our new manager. The board were extremely impressed with his management experience with Mumbai City FC. Plus, the only other candidate was Alan Pardew”
HybridFox Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 I do believe institutional racism does exist. However, this isn't the way to resolve it. A change in culture is required, not an invisible rule. Sometimes a club already has a particular individual in their mind who is available and they want him. Is it fair to then go and interview someone just to meet a quota, but no actual intention at all to hire them? It's opening a whole new can of worms as well, in terms of legislating beyond BAME.
Wymsey Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 28 minutes ago, Tuna said: What happens if no BAME candidate applies? 'Let's Kick It Out' would be on the case. This BAME idea could actually backfire, making ethnic minority coaches and the like to feel put off applying for club jobs. If I were a 'BAME'-listed coach, I'd feel quite uncomfortable in going to an interview - knowing that the potential employer only chose me because they have to 'tick the boxes' in terms of types of applicants and not necessarily that they were impressed with my experience etc.
Jimothy Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 17 minutes ago, Tuna said: What happens if no BAME candidate applies? Which appears to be common theme amongst potential BAME candidates. Don't apply because they assume they won't get it, then complain when they don't get it.
Vlad the Fox Posted 7 June 2019 Posted 7 June 2019 3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: February 6th, 2020: “Bolton Wanderers FC are thrilled to introduce Nicolas Anelka our new manager. The board were extremely impressed with his management experience with Mumbai City FC. Plus, the only other candidate was a blacked up Alan Pardew”
Finnegan Posted 8 June 2019 Posted 8 June 2019 The Rooney Rule is such an old-rich-white-man solution to the problem. Its just so damn bad. I'm not saying there's not racism at any or every level of the sport, I'm not qualified to make that statement. I'm happy for us all collectively to fight to do something about it if it's so. But if black managers are being frozen out for whatever reason then you need to find and tackle that reason, not lazily shrug and force them in. For a start, if a chairman of a club is racist then FORCING him to interview a black candidate is only going to foster resentment anyway. The only board members keen to embrace the Rooney rule would probably have hired a black coach regardless. But secondly, surely the problem exists long before the interview stage? Do we believe there's a long line of qualified and capable black managers sitting there bulk applying for jobs and not getting interviews? Is it not more likely that less black players are leaving the sport and engaging with the career to begin with? Do you not need to assess the issue at that point? And is introducing such a blatantly tokenistic, frankly shamefully racist policy going to do any more to encourage more BAME candidates to pursue football management or is it going to deter them? Football should always be a meritocracy. Who the **** would want to be the black manager interviewed because he HAD to be? I wouldn't want any job I got because of a quota, I'd be hideously embarrassed.
Jordan Posted 8 June 2019 Posted 8 June 2019 @Finnegan Football is plagued by self-dealing, private networks and agent connections, financial doping, and various forms of bias (including pressure from fans). I often read the word “meritocracy” whenever the “Rooney rule” or women’s football comes up. I’ll venture that it’s the side that would support at least interviewing more “BAME” (I guess that’s term your county is using) managers because the other side mostly gives us naive complaints. Saying this is “forcing” clubs to “racist” ignores that the EFL enacted this regulation following a pilot program featuring nearly the same rules that the clubs themselves voluntarily instituted and deemed successful (a program they designed to help themselves, well, not be racist). Also, a lot of the questions you asked have been studied and answered (here’s one of several examples https://www.lboro.ac.uk/media-centre/press-releases/2017/november/bame-football-coaches-underrepresented/). There are plenty of other problems with football manager recruiting. A look at how short tenures have been this decade for managers in the EFL shows that something is clearly not right with the hiring process. Diversity initiatives would be a positive step towards fixing this, and I would say including more transparency and using advanced football metrics in the recruiting process would be two other things clubs can do to help make better hiring decisions. Remember, all we are talking about is clubs interviewing candidates, but that moment is clearly one of the biggest (if not the biggest) bottleneck plugging “BAME” ex-footballers on the coaching and managerial career path, as identified by smart people that have studied this process much more closely than I have.
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