Bury FC.

[Shaker01]

Hi all-lifelong Shaker (55) here.

Pretty desperate times at Gigg Lane with our previous owner vastly over-spending and our new one proving difficult to say the least.

Suffice to say we have a winding up order deferred to the 19th June and hopefully will go into administration to save the club.

I went to Filbert Street 24/01/76 and saw a narrow one nil victory for yourselves FA Cup 4th round, and have seen at least 1 League Cup games at Gigg since then.

Clearly we won't play you in the league for some time if at all, but If you can assist though people, fivers, tenners, not asking the earth it would be greatly appreciated. .

https://www.gofundme.com/save-bury-football-club?teamInvite=NqSw3BDiheErDkd97ioJbpFuDVxXkXak6HjWk32P5pPuM2TzAjrzfTF4bLCUjMK0

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Good luck, seems like a pretty terrible situation there. Nicky Adams has left you now hasn't he? 

[Voll Blau]

Would be nice if your two rich neighbours to the south could throw a friendly or two your way to raise a bit of cash. Suppose they'll be too busy conquering new key markets abroad this summer as usual though. 

[Fox92]

I do respect that area for supporting Bury/Rochdale etc when I imagine it's so easy to support either Manchester club.

 

Good luck.

[Tuna]

2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Good luck, seems like a pretty terrible situation there. Nicky Adams has left you now hasn't he? 

Gone to Northampton.

[davieG]

Donated - Good Luck.

[lildave3]

2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Would be nice if your two rich neighbours to the south could throw a friendly or two your way to raise a bit of cash. Suppose they'll be too busy conquering new key markets abroad this summer as usual though. 

Never understood why it’s bigger clubs fault that smaller clubs go bust and that they should help out...

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, lildave3 said:

Never understood why it’s bigger clubs fault that smaller clubs go bust and that they should help out...

I'm not saying it is, although if you look at the disparity in funding between the Premier League and lower leagues then that's undoubtedly contributed.

 

I'm just saying it'd be a nice gesture.

[KrefelderFox666]

40 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

Never understood why it’s bigger clubs fault that smaller clubs go bust and that they should help out...

As he says below, not the big club's fault necessarily. There is a bigger gap between the big and the small clubs thanks to the TV payments.

 

However, it doesn't take a lot to organise a friendly match with all proceeds going to the club. Look at Bayern who do it regularly in Germany. Most recently they played a friendly in Kaiserslautern where all proceeds went to the host club and it allowed them to pay for their licence to stay in the third division. It's just a simple, nice gesture from a big club to help out clubs who are less fortunate.

 

In real life, that's like saying people who earn 6 or 7 figure salaries should do nothing to help combat poverty because "it's not their fault" people are poor/in financial difficulties.

[lildave3]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

I'm not saying it is, although if you look at the disparity in funding between the Premier League and lower leagues then that's undoubtedly contributed.

 

I'm just saying it'd be a nice gesture.

 

38 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

As he says below, not the big club's fault necessarily. There is a bigger gap between the big and the small clubs thanks to the TV payments.

 

However, it doesn't take a lot to organise a friendly match with all proceeds going to the club. Look at Bayern who do it regularly in Germany. Most recently they played a friendly in Kaiserslautern where all proceeds went to the host club and it allowed them to pay for their licence to stay in the third division. It's just a simple, nice gesture from a big club to help out clubs who are less fortunate.

 

In real life, that's like saying people who earn 6 or 7 figure salaries should do nothing to help combat poverty because "it's not their fault" people are poor/in financial difficulties.

Of course it would be a nice gesture, but don’t moan at them for not going out of their way to do it. As for your last part, why should people who earn 6 or 7 figure salaries be expected to help people in financial difficulties? Makes no sense.

[CosbehFox]

Personally always felt Premier League should oblige all clubs of their division to play one local fixture a year. 

 

Under Klopp, Liverpool have done it repeatedly. For example, they are off Bradford and then go off to the US. 

 

Subversively it actually is the bigger clubs fault's why smaller clubs are struggling - bigger clubs have pushed wages up, bigger clubs have demanded an academy system which allows them to pinch the best players, it's a domino effect that filters down level by level. Yeah it's harsh to say it is the fault of the bigger clubs but they make up the machine which causes the League1, League2 and Conference some major issues. 

[CosbehFox]

18 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

As for your last part, why should people who earn 6 or 7 figure salaries be expected to help people in financial difficulties? Makes no sense.

They do - a higher tax band. 

[KrefelderFox666]

16 hours ago, lildave3 said:

 

Of course it would be a nice gesture, but don’t moan at them for not going out of their way to do it. As for your last part, why should people who earn 6 or 7 figure salaries be expected to help people in financial difficulties? Makes no sense.

So you are OK with footballers earning 400k a week (less of course tax) and not giving any money to charity or any similar acts of goodwill. Much rather they can spend all their money on jewellery and flashy cars.

 

If you really think that's OK, then you have a strange mindset.

[KrefelderFox666]

16 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

They do - a higher tax band. 

Or they set up accounts in Panama, Luxembourg et al.

[Corky]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

So you are OK with footballers earning 400k a week (less of course tax) and not giving any money to charity or any similar acts of goodwill. Much rather they can spend all their money on jewellery and flashy cars.

 

If you really think that's OK, then you have a strange mindset.

Plenty of them do give to charity, they have their own foundations.

[KrefelderFox666]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

Plenty of them do give to charity, they have their own foundations.

Exactly, so why shouldn't rich football clubs help those that are in need of charitable donations to stay functional? Very little effort to play a friendly match. Just don't get people's negative attitude towards the idea of it.

[lildave3]

1 hour ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

So you are OK with footballers earning 400k a week (less of course tax) and not giving any money to charity or any similar acts of goodwill. Much rather they can spend all their money on jewellery and flashy cars.

 

If you really think that's OK, then you have a strange mindset.

It’s there money, they can literally do what they want with it. 

1 hour ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Exactly, so why shouldn't rich football clubs help those that are in need of charitable donations to stay functional? Very little effort to play a friendly match. Just don't get people's negative attitude towards the idea of it.

I’m obviously not negative to them helping out ? I’m just saying it’s not really their problem and they shouldn’t be slated if they didn’t.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Bump

[Dave Fishwick]

do feel a bit of sympathy for fans who will lose a club but ultimately the underhand way that the club has gone about things for last few years has cost other teams promotions/cost them chances to stay up - and fans seemed to enjoy the success and be blinded by it while it was there rather than trying to force out owner that was clearly overspending, and now come with a begging bowl

 

so ultimately...**** em

[isaidno]

Match postponed on Saturday,  not looking good for them .

[Shev]

The one's responsible for football's mess are never the one's punished. 

[spacemunky]

As a supporter of a team that was facing similar circumstances, I wish the best for the Bury supporters.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Sad this really, it's the loyal fans that suffer at the end of the day.

[Danizen]

This won't go down well with some people bu lower league football needs a bit of a shakeup. Either massively increase the solidarity payments from the PL (which will probably never be done) or cut the number of professional clubs down to a more sustainable amount.

 

The likes of Spain, Germany and Italy have roughly 40-50 professional clubs, England has more than 100. It's sad to suggest that but the other problem (on top of greedy/incompetent owners) is that high wage demands and player power is trickling down but the money isn't.

 

I've just read that the previous owner took out a loan secured against the stadium at 138%APR from a company called Cash4Assets Ltd. I never thought I'd see a Football League equivalent of a payday loan. Disgraceful and the EFL should have got involved then.

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, Danizen said:

The likes of Spain, Germany and Italy have roughly 40-50 professional clubs, England has more than 100. It's sad to suggest that but the other problem (on top of greedy/incompetent owners) is that high wage demands and player power is trickling down but the money isn't.

 

I don't think that's an issue. 

 

Those European countries have far more than you've stated. Spain has 80 teams alone at third tier (of which some are B teams), Germany has at least 70 at the fourth tier and Italy has a further 60 again at third tier. We've had Lugo in Spain, Bari in Italy go bust for example - so they have more not less. 

 

The countries organising their league notably different in terms of government. Germany appears the best run. Why? Germany probably has the regional balance about right (saving money) and each division has an organisational body. 

 

What is very, very different is that continental countries are far stricter on granting 'licenses' - if a club can't provide it, you are out. England's organisational body has never rejected a club in a poor financial state, never stated they have failed on criteria to collect a license. 

 

Personally I think our fourth tier should be regionalised - which in turn makes the Football League bigger than by 12 teams but you swallow up the professional clubs of non-league. Therefore leaving Conference as de-facto to the top tier of the semi-pro game. 

 

Edited 31 July 2019 by Cardiff_Fox