sacreblueits442 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 ...even their sub looks superior to any of our players!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Our defence conceded three but the fullbacks look half decent and Mitch Clark looked impressive. I think our worst area is the midfield. None of Dewsbury-Hall, Wright or George Thomas impress and I can't imagine any league one team want them on loan. I'd like to see more of Shade in that midfield. Muskwe was vaguely anonymous but Hirst got away a few decent shots and used his physicality well. They've got one more match before the league one window closes and I doubt many league one teams will be tempted tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFC1996 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Can the club start showing the U18's instead, they've not won yet this season either but it'll probably make for more pleasant viewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeffschlupp Posted 23 August 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 23 August 2019 How can Petty come out on Monday and say 'we're trying to mimic the first team' and yet they're playing 4-4-2 and hoofball crossed with mad panic counter attacks? Callum Wright looked quality in the middle and now he's on the wing. They've signed two right-backs in the same summer - did nobody think that one is going to block the other's progression? Who are the actual wingers in the squad? George Thomas has played up front mostly while at Scunthorpe, Wright is a central midfielder, and Bolkiah is seemingly a token gesture for whatever less than legitimate business King Power have with the Sultan of Brunei. We then have Eppiah, Hirst, Muskwe, Shade, Reghba, Uche as striking options. Tee can't get a game because he dares to play in a no.10 position, something seemingly that Beaglehole and Petty have never heard of. I genuinely have no idea how Chilwell, Barnes and Choudhury have made a success out of their careers in that academy. A £100m training ground with a 500 seater show pitch, which at the moment will allow us to watch 6ft5 CBs launch it to Hirst and Loft and out for a throw in. Ridiculous. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: it is as if they are caught in two minds!!! We are playing possession football but we are not good at it. This team contains players who are more direct and play a physical game and are being asked to do something against their instinct. Got to agree. Nothing worse than possession football without the ability to do it properly. Requires one touch football and snappy forward movement, otherwise just gives the opposition time to get behind the ball. The first team have had the same problem in the past, particularly under Puel. Edited 23 August 2019 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Absolute toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LCFC1996 said: Can the club start showing the U18's instead, they've not won yet this season either but it'll probably make for more pleasant viewing I would love that. I want to compare the style of football. I want to know if our u23s are only decent in defence because Petty and Beaglehole are only good at coaching defensively. Or if our academy is only decent at bringing through defenders and defensive players. From today's midfield we bought Wright, Thomas and Shade from other clubs. We got Leshabela when he was 15. I'm not sure our academy is any good at bringing through attacking midfielders. They may also be a bit rubbish at coaching them too. Barnes seems to be the except to the rule. Beaglehole and Petty aren't great but I wonder if our problems with non-defensive players runs deeper. Edited 23 August 2019 by Foxxed spelling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 How many players have broken through into the Brighton first team in the past few years? Our youth setup might have its flaws but..... Choudhury, Barnes, Chilwell.... Ndwuku, Iverson and Knight out on loan to league clubs. In terms of productivity, our U23s don't do too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 5 minutes ago, Micky said: Ndwuku, Iverson and Knight out on loan to league clubs That's one of the issues. We need to be loaning way more of our talented academy players out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Just now, UniFox21 said: That's one of the issues. We need to be loaning way more of our talented academy players out. After this match I'm struggling to think who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 1 minute ago, Foxxed said: After this match I'm struggling to think who. I'd rather have a team full of 17/18/19 year olds playing football than the elder ones we currently have in playing long ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: I'd rather have a team full of 17/18/19 year olds playing football than the elder ones we currently have in playing long ball. I'm not sure what the u18 team is like. It might actually be better for their development than the u23s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 12 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: That's one of the issues. We need to be loaning way more of our talented academy players out. But a number of them aren't ready for that and we have to keep a certain number of players to remain competitive in the U23 league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I'm not sure what the u18 team is like. It might actually be better for their development than the u23s. It just seems like we lack the ability to loan players out from the u23s. Players then stagnate and blocks the development of those younger moving into the squad. We need to be shopping the dead wood out, and loaning the promising players for 6 months to a year to get actual league experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Just now, Micky said: But a number of them aren't ready for that and we have to keep a certain number of players to remain competitive in the U23 league. Competitive as we are now? Full of around 22 year olds struggling against those of the same age or younger who will probably never get near the first team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 9 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: It just seems like we lack the ability to loan players out from the u23s. Players then stagnate and blocks the development of those younger moving into the squad. We need to be shopping the dead wood out, and loaning the promising players for 6 months to a year to get actual league experience. I'm honestly unsure if we have interested league one teams or if we have the u18s waiting to come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I'm honestly unsure if we have interested league one teams or if we have the u18s waiting to come through. Neither do i, just chatting what I'd like to see happen. Knight has developed since going to Peterborough, would like to see others given the opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 don't really care about the result but why aren't the U23s playing to the same tactical system as the first team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 ....surprisingly this dysfunction with the U23s seemed to have started when Rodgers arrived!!! It looks like he has called for a shake up in the way the development teams play and the subsequent off loading of players and drop in our performances all stems from this.Our roster is still predominantly grafters who are less technical and we will continue to get these performances until we can introduce a more technical group of players and a set pattern of play. We lack composure, need three touches to control the ball, lack awareness and totally inept in the last third. In a lot of ways we are mirroring the first team with moving the ball slowly and looking to pass back at every opportunity. Clearing out this lot will not be easy and it may take sometime to get to the level of technique we see from other teams performing at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal21212121 Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 51 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I would love that. I want to compare the style of football. I want to know if our u23s are only decent in defence because Petty and Beaglehole are only good at coaching defensively. Or if our academy is only decent at bringing through defenders and defensive players. From today's midfield we bought Wright, Thomas and Shade from other clubs. We got Leshabela when he was 15. I'm not sure our academy is any good at bringing through attacking midfielders. They may also be a bit rubbish at coaching them too. Barnes seems to be the except to the rule. Beaglehole and Petty aren't great but I wonder if our problems with non-defensive players runs deeper. It would help if we played a formation with an attacking midfield role, we're playing this daft 442 system with a flat central pairing and stupidly narrow wingers making the central areas very congested. I can only imagine they're doing this because they want Muskwe and Reghba on the pitch, and I actually though Hirst looked better because he dropped deep for the ball unlike the other two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 I don’t understand what benefit these player get that we’ve got from lower league clubs certainly doesn’t seem like better coaching and most definitely not in a more competitive environment we should get them and loan them back. The whole Premier League 2 seems a bad idea and just an excuse for clubs to scoop up the best young players with no real benefit. Academies should be for players up to the age of 21 then if they’re not pushing for at least a bench spot they should be released to lower league clubs with a first buy option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Just now, davieG said: I don’t understand what benefit these player get that we’ve got from lower league clubs certainly doesn’t seem like better coaching and most definitely not in a more competitive environment we should get them and loan them back. The whole Premier League 2 seems a bad idea and just an excuse for clubs to scoop up the best young players with no real benefit. Academies should be for players up to the age of 21 then if they’re not pushing for at least a bench spot they should be released to lower league clubs with a first buy option. tbf most prem clubs PL2 sides will be first team players needing a run out or recovering from injury and 18-19 year olds I doubt many would have a bunch of 20-22 year olds that aren't in the first team clogging up the U23s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Just now, Jimmy said: tbf most prem clubs PL2 sides will be first team players needing a run out or recovering from injury and 18-19 year olds I doubt many would have a bunch of 20-22 year olds that aren't in the first team clogging up the U23s That’s not what I’ve been seeing most of them seem to be as us but maybe with some younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeffschlupp Posted 23 August 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 23 August 2019 It's telling when Hughes and Thomas are still playing PL2 football into their third year of three contract years, and both would have to be in the 25 man squad to even be eligible to make their Premier League debut (1997 born). It's even more telling that those two and Raul Uche are older than James Justin who moves here having played 114 senior games at the age of 21. Bolkiah, Muskwe, Johnson, Dewsbury-Hall, Johansson, Pascanu, Eppiah and Hirst are all less than 12 months younger than Justin, and most of those are 'key' players to this U23 side. Now I'm not saying that Justin's route is the only way to the top, but it's clear to see that 90 league games in L1/L2 have done him a world of good, from a player who would have joined our U23s in 2017 when we first wanted him, to Ricardo's first backup two years later. Brighton are a classic example of a team that have got their best players loans (Connolly to Luton, Molumby to Millwall, White to Leeds, Ostigard and Gyokeres to St. Pauli) and yet they've still beat our best U23s 3-0 away tonight. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 23 August 2019 Share Posted 23 August 2019 Any sign of Beagleminge tonight or is he still in his Anderson shelter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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