Realjimbo Posted 10 February 2020 Share Posted 10 February 2020 1 minute ago, fuchsntf said: BC...My political start up logo...... Bring in my Propaganda spokesman You're so Moneysupermarket.com! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 10 February 2020 Share Posted 10 February 2020 24 minutes ago, Realjimbo said: You're so Moneysupermarket.com! no entiendo ni jota... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realjimbo Posted 10 February 2020 Share Posted 10 February 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, fuchsntf said: no entiendo ni jota... Haha of course you're in Germany, He- Man is on an advert here for said company.. Siempre dispuesto a ayudar Edited 10 February 2020 by Realjimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 10 February 2020 Share Posted 10 February 2020 1 hour ago, Realjimbo said: Haha of course you're in Germany, He- Man is on an advert here for said company.. Siempre dispuesto a ayudar So Soyu came an advertising-film-star..!! Just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon the Hat Posted 11 February 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 11 February 2020 What do we think about these deportation flights? I’ve no issue deporting people who came to uk as adults, but reportedly one guy has lived in the UK since he was three. Two problems with this 1) If he was raised here it’s our problem. 2) extension if Windrush type failure to clarify citizenship rights for people here more than ten years. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 14 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: What do we think about these deportation flights? I’ve no issue deporting people who came to uk as adults, but reportedly one guy has lived in the UK since he was three. Two problems with this 1) If he was raised here it’s our problem. 2) extension if Windrush type failure to clarify citizenship rights for people here more than ten years. It’s a good question. Without knowing more details about each individual case, it is impossible to decide whether the decision is correct or not. It does seem a bit underhand, though, coming so soon on the back of the Windrush balls up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alf Bentley Posted 11 February 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 11 February 2020 27 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: What do we think about these deportation flights? I’ve no issue deporting people who came to uk as adults, but reportedly one guy has lived in the UK since he was three. Two problems with this 1) If he was raised here it’s our problem. 2) extension if Windrush type failure to clarify citizenship rights for people here more than ten years. I agree. I've no problem deporting people who arrived as adults and committed significant crimes, but not if they are entitled to British citizenship (even if they've not formally acquired it) and arrived as kids. I'd add a third problem: the British families that some of them now have. At least one bloke had a number of British kids. He'd arrived as a young child from Jamaica, but couldn't remember it and had a British accent. He'd been serving a 3-year term for drug dealing. Obviously, he should serve a just sentence for his crimes, but how is it fair either to him or his family (or wider society, potentially) to then deport him to a country he cannot remember, where he's probably less likely to support his family? Sadly, though, policies like this play well with a certain section of the electorate, which is the cynical motivation for them.... It does raise issues, though re. any who arrived as kids but are NOT entitled to citizenship - which could be someone born in Russia or the USA as much as Jamaica, in theory. I'm still inclined to think that, if they have no real connections with their birth country, have grown up here and been accepted as legitimate long-term residents, we should still take responsibility.....others will doubtless disagree. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 New Hampshire primaries today: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51408569 While it won't fill in the whole picture of who might get the Dem nomination (if there is going to be a clear winner and no contested convention), it will give a bigger idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 Oh, and a useful flowchart: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 21 minutes ago, leicsmac said: New Hampshire primaries today: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51408569 While it won't fill in the whole picture of who might get the Dem nomination (if there is going to be a clear winner and no contested convention), it will give a bigger idea. Surely a comfortable win for Bernie in New Hampshire isn't it? Location and demographic both perfect for him. 18 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Oh, and a useful flowchart: I'm a Bloomberg voter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Surely a comfortable win for Bernie in New Hampshire isn't it? Location and demographic both perfect for him. I'm a Bloomberg voter But you have to go left on question 1 to be a Bloomberg voter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Surely a comfortable win for Bernie in New Hampshire isn't it? Location and demographic both perfect for him. I'm a Bloomberg voter Perhaps - the other contenders know they have to have at least a reasonable showing though to keep any kind of momentum going even if subsequent states are more favourable for them (hence my thoughts that this one will give us an idea, but not the full picture until Super Tuesday), so I'm assuming very little until the counts are concluded. I flip-flop between Bernie and Warren based on my current thoughts about capitalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: What do we think about these deportation flights? I’ve no issue deporting people who came to uk as adults, but reportedly one guy has lived in the UK since he was three. Two problems with this 1) If he was raised here it’s our problem. 2) extension if Windrush type failure to clarify citizenship rights for people here more than ten years. Looks a bit of a shit storm tbf. In my view, I regularly get told how privileged I am to be born here, so following that logic, you've got to be additionally privileged if you've come from somewhere else to be here. Surely if you know you're from somewhere else and don't have British citizenship then you know you can be deported if you commit a serious crime. The offenses some of these lot have commited are dreadful and I won't shed any tears for seeing less rapists and violent criminals around. You could make an argument for drug dealing not being that bad, but for how many people are getting stabbed over this shite I'd say it's bad enough. As for the I've got family here sob stories, nothing stopping them from joining them in their country of origin I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Innovindil said: Looks a bit of a shit storm tbf. In my view, I regularly get told how privileged I am to be born here, so following that logic, you've got to be additionally privileged if you've come from somewhere else to be here. Surely if you know you're from somewhere else and don't have British citizenship then you know you can be deported if you commit a serious crime. The offenses some of these lot have commited are dreadful and I won't shed any tears for seeing less rapists and violent criminals around. You could make an argument for drug dealing not being that bad, but for how many people are getting stabbed over this shite I'd say it's bad enough. As for the I've got family here sob stories, nothing stopping them from joining them in their country of origin I'd imagine. I Lean towards you on this..but it seems there is some politics Making from both sides of this issue... It surely must depends on the individual Cases and Not looked has a group Deportation of 35-50 people. Just for example.. Its been mentioned that One of the potential deportees, is an ex-serviceman who has done 2 tours of Afgahnistan..and suffered various levels of war-illness & trauma,and his digressions were well After returning....And ones commiting Crimes After being here since birth or under 9-12,when entering the UK Common-sense says to me we also cant Approach this blindly.... Edited 11 February 2020 by fuchsntf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 4 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: I Lean towards you on this..but it seems there is some politics Making from both sides of this issue... It surely must depends on the individual Cases and Not looked has a group Deportation of 35-50 people. Just for example.. Its been mentioned that One of the potential deportees, is an ex-serviceman who has done 2 tours of Afgahnistan..and suffered various levels of war-coolness & trauma...und his digressions were well After returning....And ones commiting Crimes After being here since birth or under 9-12,when Sterling the UK Common-sense says to me we also cant Approach this blindly.... I agree. Each should be treated on their individual merit. But I don't have information on each of them, nor am I (or want to be) in charge of saying good or bad for each person. My thoughts are more of a general observation than based on this one batch of deportees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 (edited) What's the main reason that some of these people don't take up British citizenship even when they're entitled to it? I fully agree that it seems ridiculous to effectively wash your hands of someone and send them 'back to their own country' when they have grown up here, come through our education system, been subject to our state institutions and potentially been groomed into county lines style drug gangs (which are subject to the jurisdiction of our law enforcement authorities). The same can be said for Shamima Begum, in my opinion - she was raised here, radicalised here, groomed here and went to Syria aged 15 - to strip her citizenship on the basis of a very tenuous Bangladeshi citizenship doesn't sit well with me at all. A self-proclaimed civilized, tolerant nation should deal with its own dirty laundry and seek to address the problems at hand and deal with people like Shamima Begum here, not just make them another country's problem. Edited 11 February 2020 by theessexfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 So they're going ahead with HS2. If it's such a good thing why does it take so long to build, why can't they put more people on it and work on different sections 2031 for the Brum link 2040 for the Manchester/Leeds That's if they even manage to stick to them. Who knows what will happen to transport by 2040? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 3 hours ago, davieG said: So they're going ahead with HS2. If it's such a good thing why does it take so long to build, why can't they put more people on it and work on different sections 2031 for the Brum link 2040 for the Manchester/Leeds That's if they even manage to stick to them. Who knows what will happen to transport by 2040? Perhaps a shortage of labour and expertise. Also, I assume such huge costs have to be spread over a number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
String fellow Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 How long would it take the Chinese to build HS2 - probably about one month at most. After all, they've just built a hospital in 6 days, following on from building a 57-storey sky-scraper in 19 days, a 30-storey building in 15 days, and a railway station in 9 hours. Maybe us Brits need a kick up the arse when it comes to big projects! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 51 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Perhaps a shortage of labour and expertise. Also, I assume such huge costs have to be spread over a number of years. The longer it goes on the more it’s likely to cost and the sooner it’s built and in use the better and quicker they’ll get a return on their investment. When I worked in new product development this was our overriding mantra. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 48 minutes ago, String fellow said: How long would it take the Chinese to build HS2 - probably about one month at most. After all, they've just built a hospital in 6 days, following on from building a 57-storey sky-scraper in 19 days, a 30-storey building in 15 days, and a railway station in 9 hours. Maybe us Brits need a kick up the arse when it comes to big projects! Yes they have thousands of miles of high speed track already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 Latest growth figures not very inspiring😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 Best bit about HS2 is it highlights that eco warriors should be put on permanent ignore. Must cut CO2 but must not build public transport cos will destroy 0.01% of country's ancient woodland. K lads. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_in_blue Posted 11 February 2020 Share Posted 11 February 2020 (edited) Rather than waste money on getting to London faster from Birmingham, put the infrastructure in place to deal with electric cars. Having watched Top Gear, embarrassing to hear there's only 4 charging points in the whole of the UK that can charge a Porsche in 20 minutes. Edited 11 February 2020 by Legend_in_blue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 February 2020 Share Posted 12 February 2020 2 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Best bit about HS2 is it highlights that eco warriors should be put on permanent ignore. Must cut CO2 but must not build public transport cos will destroy 0.01% of country's ancient woodland. K lads. Kinda hoping that a happy medium can be reached where neo-Luddites can be ignored (rather than being treated as a convenient strawman to burn whenever necessary) while the actual facts underpinning the green movement are acknowledged and acted upon, tbh. But if you look in places other than the UK that's sadly not really happening either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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