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[UpTheLeagueFox]

A woman who has repeatedly "bad-mouthed" her MP on Twitter was rescued by her during Storm Dennis in an "awkward" encounter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51545851

 

 

[Wymsey]

Selling (strange) council artwork to fund affordable housing?

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/mayor-says-selling-leicester-councils-3864779

Can't imagine a more daft idea than that..

[yorkie1999]

No effing politics

[Jattdogg]

Mass shooting in Germany

 

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiLmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jb20vbmV3cy93b3JsZC1ldXJvcGUtNTE1Njc5NzHSATJodHRwczovL3d3dy5iYmMuY29tL25ld3MvYW1wL3dvcmxkLWV1cm9wZS01MTU2Nzk3MQ?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

[lgfualol]

4 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Mass shooting in Germany

 

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiLmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jb20vbmV3cy93b3JsZC1ldXJvcGUtNTE1Njc5NzHSATJodHRwczovL3d3dy5iYmMuY29tL25ld3MvYW1wL3dvcmxkLWV1cm9wZS01MTU2Nzk3MQ?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

Sounds like a German citizen with a gun license shot up two shisha bars, then went home and shot himself and his mum. I dont want to assume anything but seems like it has similarities to lone wolf politically motivated attacks.

 

Quite scary, feels like these type of attacks are becoming a little more frequent over here lately. 

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Sounds like a German citizen with a gun license shot up two shisha bars, then went home and shot himself and his mum. I dont want to assume anything but seems like it has similarities to lone wolf politically motivated attacks.

 

Quite scary, feels like these type of attacks are becoming a little more frequent over here lately. 

He is a terrorist or a murderer, not a ****ing lone wolf, which makes him sound like some kind of folk hero.

[lgfualol]

19 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

He is a terrorist or a murderer, not a ****ing lone wolf, which makes him sound like some kind of folk hero.

How does lone wolf make him sound like a folk hero, for me it means he did it alone like many similar attacks done by murdering right wing nazi willy pullers. Calm down.

 

 

[foxy boxing]

7 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

How does lone wolf make him sound like a folk hero, for me it means he did it alone like many similar attacks done by murdering right wing nazi willy pullers. Calm down.

 

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

Lone wolf is a very common term for an attack carried out by an idiot with no direct affiliation to any established group.  It's about the last thing worth getting upset about in this affair. 

[Detroit Blues]

9 hours ago, foxy boxing said:

 

Don't bring chuck norris into this

 

[leicsmac]

"Lone Wolf" is unfortunately a term used by a fair few people to describe white supremacist/alt-right attackers when they run amok, because they of course cannot be part of an overarching ideological crusade that's rather well organised and radicalises via the Internet ,they all have to be mentally disturbed and acting separately. So sadly the term has been sullied somewhat.

 

It's also a rather excellent gamebook series.

[Finnaldo]

17 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Mass shooting in Germany

 

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiLmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jb20vbmV3cy93b3JsZC1ldXJvcGUtNTE1Njc5NzHSATJodHRwczovL3d3dy5iYmMuY29tL25ld3MvYW1wL3dvcmxkLWV1cm9wZS01MTU2Nzk3MQ?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

Another attack on Muslims, this time with a knife over here and thankfully no deaths:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51578770

 

Two in quick succession, linked or mere coincidence?

[Carl the Llama]

It's just so bizarre.  The conventional logic has always been that these extremist attacks happen as a sort of last resort rebellion against a system they deem to be entrenched against their own world view, yet in recent years we've seen more and more of these extreme right wing nutjobs despite a clear power shift towards the right in pretty much every major democracy.  These guys basically seem to feel that the taboo's been lifted on their hateful politics and looking around it's not hard to see why.

[MC Prussian]

52 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

"Lone Wolf" is unfortunately a term used by a fair few people to describe white supremacist/alt-right attackers when they run amok, because they of course cannot be part of an overarching ideological crusade that's rather well organised and radicalises via the Internet ,they all have to be mentally disturbed and acting separately. So sadly the term has been sullied somewhat.

 

It's also a rather excellent gamebook series.

Which has yet to be proven.

Throwing around your conspiracy theories does nothing to alleviate the issue. It just adds unnecessary subjective hot air.

Yes, he did publish video rants aimed at foreigners. We've yet to see whether he was part of a larger network or not and whether he had aides.

 

As far as I can tell, the idiot chose his targets randomly. First a shisha bar, then another bar, then a third. He then drives home, kills his bedridden mother, then himself.

He had a pretty decent upbringing and career, and was not known to the German intelligence community. Just asking myself where that anger is coming from, what the trigger was.

 

By the sounds of it, he does come across as a mentally disturbed person, a paranoid incel at odds with society on the whole.

We need to wait for the end of the investigation to see what the authorities have uncovered.

[hejammy]

I do question why this is not in the "terrorist" thread and also whenever an "Islamic" terrorist commits an atrocity why is it that some members will always have a multitude of opinions and comments but when it's not then said persons seem not to really care. Really is quite sad and apparent. 

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Which has yet to be proven.

Throwing around your conspiracy theories does nothing to alleviate the issue. It just adds unnecessary subjective hot air.

Yes, he did publish video rants aimed at foreigners. We've yet to see whether he was part of a larger network or not and whether he had aides.

 

As far as I can tell, the idiot chose his targets randomly. First a shisha bar, then another bar, then a third. He then drives home, kills his bedridden mother, then himself.

He had a pretty decent upbringing and career, and was not known to the German intelligence community. Just asking myself where that anger is coming from, what the trigger was.

 

By the sounds of it, he does come across as a mentally disturbed person, a paranoid incel at odds with society on the whole.

We need to wait for the end of the investigation to see what the authorities have uncovered.

 

As far as I am concerned the existence of internet based white radicals who communicate with each other, radicalize each other and commit acts of violence in the name of a single ideology - namely turning wherever they are into an ethnostate - is less a conspiracy theory and more a matter of documented record stretching back over the past few years and number of incidents. As much a matter of record as radical Islamists and their own death worshipping rubbish. This is just the latest in what they have to say.

But hey, this is familiar ground for us and I'm well aware that practically no burden of proof is good enough on this one.

[Guest MattP]

8 hours ago, hejammy said:

I do question why this is not in the "terrorist" thread and also whenever an "Islamic" terrorist commits an atrocity why is it that some members will always have a multitude of opinions and comments but when it's not then said persons seem not to really care. Really is quite sad and apparent. 

Because it's not being treated as terrorism.

 

The "far-right" mosque attack appears to be a Muslim stabbing another Muslim.

 

As usual it was people on social media jumping to conclusions again.

[Strokes]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Because it's not being treated as terrorism.

 

The "far-right" mosque attack appears to be a Muslim stabbing another Muslim.

 

As usual it was people on social media jumping to conclusions again.

Yet if you do that about a jihadist, it’s islamaphobia or racism 🤔

[hejammy]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Because it's not being treated as terrorism.

 

The "far-right" mosque attack appears to be a Muslim stabbing another Muslim.

 

As usual it was people on social media jumping to conclusions again.

And the German terrorist incident? Or shall we chose to ignore that one? 

[ajthefox]

16 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Which has yet to be proven.

Throwing around your conspiracy theories does nothing to alleviate the issue. It just adds unnecessary subjective hot air.

Yes, he did publish video rants aimed at foreigners. We've yet to see whether he was part of a larger network or not and whether he had aides.

 

As far as I can tell, the idiot chose his targets randomly. First a shisha bar, then another bar, then a third. He then drives home, kills his bedridden mother, then himself.

He had a pretty decent upbringing and career, and was not known to the German intelligence community. Just asking myself where that anger is coming from, what the trigger was.

 

By the sounds of it, he does come across as a mentally disturbed person, a paranoid incel at odds with society on the whole.

We need to wait for the end of the investigation to see what the authorities have uncovered.

Random in one way, not so much in others.

 

I've never been to a shisha bar in Germany but in my experience (and I've been to a fair few) I've almost always been the only white person in there and I don't think anyone can deny (not that you have done) that shisha bars are more likely to be populated by ethic minorities with Eastern European/Asian heritage than they are white people with Western European heritage. It would be extremely naive to deny that there isn't a significant racial component to this attack.

 

Whether or not he is connected to any larger groups will only be confirmed or denied by investigation though.

[ajthefox]

In other news, Tesla cut down 92 hectares (that's 920,000 square meters or somewhere in the region of 130 football pitches) to build an electric car factory...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/21/german-court-tesla-can-clear-trees-car-factory

 

This is progress, supposedly.

[Guest MattP]

5 hours ago, hejammy said:

And the German terrorist incident? Or shall we chose to ignore that one? 

He has been described as a terrorist hasn't he? Then they'll find out if he is a "lone wolf" or connected to a wider network.

 

There have been "lone wolf" Islamists as well. The Leytonstone attacker being one.

[Tommo220]

9 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

In other news, Tesla cut down 92 hectares (that's 920,000 square meters or somewhere in the region of 130 football pitches) to build an electric car factory...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/21/german-court-tesla-can-clear-trees-car-factory

 

This is progress, supposedly.

I doubt there's many 92 hectare brownfield sites in Germany for them to build their mega factory on so there was always going to be a cost ecologically.

 

 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

He has been described as a terrorist hasn't he? Then they'll find out if he is a "lone wolf" or connected to a wider network.

 

There have been "lone wolf" Islamists as well. The Leytonstone attacker being one.

I wonder how often such Islamist attackers are quoted as "lone wolf" attacks by the press in comparison to white supremacist ones, though?

 

Denying there is a double standard in place from a lot of media talking heads (that people often listen to) is a mite disingenuous IMO.

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

I wonder how often such Islamist attackers are quoted as "lone wolf" attacks by the press in comparison to white supremacist ones, though?

 

Denying there is a double standard in place from a lot of media talking heads (that people often listen to) is a mite disingenuous IMO.

No idea, has it ever been audited?

 

The print media you might be right, I don't read enough to say. In terms of organisations like the BBC though I think if anything it's the other way around and they prefer to hit the side of caution when it's a "non-white" perpetrator.