Innovindil Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51447615 Wtf. How is this even remotely okay?
ozleicester Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 Australia Can't Deport Indigenous Aboriginal People, Court Rules https://time.com/5781902/australia-deport-aboriginal-people/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernie Sanders received more support from voters under 30 than ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED!
Carl the Llama Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 5 minutes ago, ozleicester said: Australia Can't Deport Indigenous Aboriginal People, Court Rules https://time.com/5781902/australia-deport-aboriginal-people/ Where would they have been deported to?
ozleicester Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Where would they have been deported to? Technically, they were born out of Australia..NZ and New Guinea i think... so...
Jimothy Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 9 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: Rather than waste money on getting to London faster from Birmingham, put the infrastructure in place to deal with electric cars. Having watched Top Gear, embarrassing to hear there's only 4 charging points in the whole of the UK that can charge a Porsche in 20 minutes. Aside from the lack of fast charging points, theres a lack of charging points in general. Listening to Fighting Talk on 5live on Saturday, and Rick Edward's was saying he brought a plug in hybrid, but living in London he has no off street parking. Theres no charging point in the street, so he's tried to run the cable through his window and been told he can't as it's a trip hazard. So basically he has a petrol car carrying around a 250kg battery. If they want people to embrace the technology they have to build the infrastructure. Also if we have numerous cars in streets plugged in during the evening, we all know what will happen, because I know what I'd have done as a rebellious teenager, I'd have unplugged them all, we need a different solution. I've seen recently, I think it was Nottingham, had installed wireless charging for taxis.
leicsmac Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51447615 Wtf. How is this even remotely okay? It sadly shows that there is still a long way to go when it comes to addressing such things everywhere, including universities.
Aus Fox Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 2 hours ago, ozleicester said: Australia Can't Deport Indigenous Aboriginal People, Court Rules https://time.com/5781902/australia-deport-aboriginal-people/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernie Sanders received more support from voters under 30 than ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED! Bernie appears to have the momentum and the young vote, but as it goes on I am expecting Klobuchar to eventually get up and earn the nomination.
ozleicester Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 4 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Bernie appears to have the momentum and the young vote, but as it goes on I am expecting Klobuchar to eventually get up and earn the nomination. quite possibly, to be honest, the US system is such a convoluted and dodgy system...who knows
Alf Bentley Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 A good Reality Check here on the prominent "new" policy for Free Ports: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48868234?fbclid=IwAR3P52ikEQW1o7-DoyFUw5HkA5zg3CvSAZ23W0PeQYwTFEdfs14of3BBa2A - More than 80 already exist across the EU - Five existed in the UK until 2012 - They could offer bigger financial advantages post-Brexit, but.... - That could require higher state aid (taxpayer money) and/or deregulated employment conditions - There's a risk it could just drag investment and jobs from other parts of the UK into Free Ports, to the benefit of international companies but not that of workers, communities or the national economy So, it could involve the attraction of investment and/or creation of cheap labour jobs in Grimsby at the expense of investment and good, regulated jobs in Slough, Birmingham, Leeds or wherever. As I understand it, such Free Ports / Free Trade Zones / Maquiladoras in border areas of Mexico played a role (though not in isolation) in the creation of the US Rust Belt (& indirectly of the Trump Presidency).... Nice option for the deregulating, neo-liberal, pro-international corporate wing of the Tory Party, not so much for any who are serious about "leveling up", building up struggling communities inland etc.
stripeyfox Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 13 hours ago, String fellow said: How long would it take the Chinese to build HS2 - probably about one month at most. After all, they've just built a hospital in 6 days, following on from building a 57-storey sky-scraper in 19 days, a 30-storey building in 15 days, and a railway station in 9 hours. Maybe us Brits need a kick up the arse when it comes to big projects! They built dozens of new airports in the time we've been fannying around deciding whether to build a new runway at Heathrow I'm a bit torn about HS2. It's unlikley to benefit me much (I'll probbaly be retired or dead by the time it opens anyway). On the one hand it would be great to a have modern high speed rail network, but it seems a colossal cost - £100bn - and it will probably end up being double that. And how many people actually commute from the centre of london to the centre of Birmingham each day who will need to be there 20 minutes earlier? BUT - the connection to the East Midlands hub from/to London will be 51 minutes which must be of benefit to our region ? Deatils on HS2 journey time reductions below (from Wikipedia) Journey times[edit] From London[edit] To HS2 stations[edit] The DfT's latest revised estimates of journey times for some major destinations once the line has been built as far as Leeds and Manchester, set out in the January 2012 document High Speed Rail: Investing in Britain's Future – Decisions and Next Steps, are as follows:[159] Times given for Manchester and Leeds until completion of Phase 2b will be on a mixture of HS2 and classic track. London to/from Standard journey time before HS2 (hrs:min) Estimated time after Phase 1[160] (hrs:min) Estimated time after Phase 2 (hrs:min) Estimated Phase 1 reduction Estimated Phase 2 reduction Birmingham 1:24[t 1] 0:49 no change 0:35 no change East Midlands Hub N/A N/A 0:51 N/A N/A Manchester 2:08[t 2] 1:40 Phase 2A: 1:30. Phase 2B: 1:08 [161] 0:28 1:00 Leeds 2:20[t 3] no change 1:28 no change 0:52 ^ Birmingham 1:13; one train per day, in one direction only: 07:30 New Street-08:43 Euston; standard journey times are 1:24 ^ Manchester 2:00; one train per day, in one direction only: 07:00 Piccadilly-09:00 Euston; standard journey times are 2:08 ^ Leeds 1:59: one train per day, in one direction only: 07:00 Leeds-08:59 King's Cross, standard journey times are 2:20 To other stations[edit] London to/from Journey time before HS2 (hrs:min) Journey time after HS2 Phase 2[162][163] (hrs:min) Reduction after HS2 Phase 2 Carlisle 3:15 2:34 0:41 (21.02%) Chesterfield 1:49 1:15 0:34 (31.2%) Crewe 1:30 0:55 0:35 (38.8%) Edinburgh 4:23 3:38 0:45 (17.1%) Glasgow 4:32 3:38 0:54 (19.9%) Liverpool 2:08 1:36 0:32 (25.0%) Newcastle 2:52 2:19 0:33 (19.2%) Oxenholme 2:34 1:55 0:39 (25.32%) Penrith 2:57 2:18 0:39 (22.03%) Preston 2:08 1:24 0:44 (34.4%) Sheffield 2:05 1:19 0:46 (36.8%) Warrington 1:44 1:13 0:31 (24.08%) York 1:53 1:23 0:30 (26.5%) From Birmingham[edit] Birmingham to/from Journey time before HS2 (hrs:min) Journey time after HS2 Phase 2[162][164] (hrs:min) Reduction after HS2 Phase 2 Chesterfield 1:00 0:45 0:15 (25.0%) East Midlands Hub N/A 0:19 N/A Edinburgh 4:01 3:14 0:47 (19.5%) Glasgow 4:08 3:22 0:46 (18.5%) Leeds 1:58 0:57 1:01 (51.7%) Liverpool 1:46 1:46 0:00 (0%) Manchester Airport 1:44 0:32 1:12 (69.2%) Manchester 1:28 0:41 0:47 (53.4%) Newcastle 3:14 2:07 1:07 (34.5%) Oxenholme 2:05 1:19 0:46 (36.8%) Preston 1:31 0:53 0:38 (41.7%) Sheffield 1:03 0:48 0:15 (23.8%) York 2:10 1:03 1:07 (51.5%)
davieG Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 3 minutes ago, stripeyfox said: BUT - the connection to the East Midlands hub from/to London will be 51 minutes which must be of benefit to our region ? Is that 51 minutes from the hub to London? You can do Leicester to London now in 66 mins and that's without full electrification.
Voll Blau Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 That East Midlands Hub will be a complete White Elephant. You can't just plonk a railway station in the middle of nowhere and have the attitude of "if you build it they will come". Look at East Midlands Parkway...
Desabafar Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 11 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: Rather than waste money on getting to London faster from Birmingham, put the infrastructure in place to deal with electric cars. Having watched Top Gear, embarrassing to hear there's only 4 charging points in the whole of the UK that can charge a Porsche in 20 minutes. they only started being installed anywhere about a year ago and the UK meant to have 240 of 2500 in Europe by end of the year and currently there is one car being delivered with the capability. Plus some like Tesla say 350kw is a battery killer so are again St it anyway
The Syrup Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 1 hour ago, davieG said: Is that 51 minutes from the hub to London? You can do Leicester to London now in 66 mins and that's without full electrification. If you live in Leicester then HS2 is no use whatsoever heading to London, considering it will take you 25 mins to get to the East Midlands Hub station, then 50 minutes on HS2 to London. Its just over an hour now anyway to St Pancras. Could be useful heading north though, although electrifying the existing line could be a better and cheaper way of doing things. Either way, the 2nd leg of HS2 is probably 20 years away from opening. Another thing is people ask why spend £100B on a new railway line to increase journey times between London and Birmingham. The major reason HS2 is needed is to increase capacity, the faster travel time is just a bonus. At the moment the west coast mainline from London to Birmingham via places like Milton Keynes, Northampton is maxed out. Long distance trains, commuter services and freight all squeezing onto one line. The line was upgraded maybe 20 years ago for the Virgin tilting trains and its already struggling to cope.
leicsmac Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51470088 Bernie wins in NH - more importantly, the person most likely to challenge him (Biden) fell hard again, which gives him some momentum going into primaries in areas where he might not be as strong. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51466036 There's a good start to your campaign, Mike.
Alf Bentley Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 20 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51466036 There's a good start to your campaign, Mike. ......as @AoWW used to say! Sorry to be superficial, but hasn't he got a weird profile in that photo. I'm thinking badly constipated penguin....
Carl the Llama Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 Feel the Bern. Man's what America's disenfranchised are really calling out for, not the swamp building God-Emperor.
Stadt Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 I'm mildly supportive of HS2, it's more about adding capacity rather than cutting short journey times. There's a big potential saving by axing it but is that extra c. £90bn going to be spent wisely on other infrastructure projects? I'm aware this falls into the sunk cost fallacy but it's already costing billions, the multiplier effect is in full swing creating numerous jobs, investment etc etc. Any new proposal for high speed rail is going to take even longer with plans, consultations, committees and all that shite only to knock out a similar plan of similar expense just another 10 years later with the added costs of the existing plans and subsequently shelving it. HS2 needs to be modified not scrapped. It should **** the East mids hub off, it should just have a station in Leicester (or Derby, probably should be Derby but they can all drown).
Stadt Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 4 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Feel the Bern. Man's what America's disenfranchised are really calling out for, not the swamp building God-Emperor. I can't say I know too much but I get the impression he actually embodies the gentle, kinder politics that Corbyn tried to embrace as the modern left. Sanders seems a pretty genuine bloke without the baggage of being a professional protestor, seems a bit more pragmatic too.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 Fair play to the Americans for likely getting themselves into two situations where they have an even worse choice than we were faced with. Would defos vote Trump tho, his press conferences are the only interesting thing about the giant Eastenders episode that is American politics.
yorkie1999 Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 3 hours ago, Facecloth said: Aside from the lack of fast charging points, theres a lack of charging points in general. Listening to Fighting Talk on 5live on Saturday, and Rick Edward's was saying he brought a plug in hybrid, but living in London he has no off street parking. Theres no charging point in the street, so he's tried to run the cable through his window and been told he can't as it's a trip hazard. So basically he has a petrol car carrying around a 250kg battery. If they want people to embrace the technology they have to build the infrastructure. Also if we have numerous cars in streets plugged in during the evening, we all know what will happen, because I know what I'd have done as a rebellious teenager, I'd have unplugged them all, we need a different solution. I've seen recently, I think it was Nottingham, had installed wireless charging for taxis. There's no chance of providing the necesary infrastucture in this country in anyones current lifetime. Mr Johnson is on about getting rid of combustion engines vehicles by 2030, thats 10 years away! They can't just plug everything into extension cables, we are talking of digging up every road and every pavement and installing huge power cables and linking them up to every residential property, As If.
Innovindil Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 14 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Mr Johnson is on about getting rid of combustion engines vehicles by 2030 No, he isn't. He's on about banning the sale of them in 2035, possibly sooner. Since most cars last a good 10 years, it will be a phasing out job over that time. To me, it still sounds ridiculously unfeasible, but you have to aim somewhere eh.
String fellow Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 I'd be more enthusiastic about HS2 if (1) it could be routed alongside or up the middle of the M40 instead of through the virgin countryside, (2) it won't require me to re-mortgage my house in order to afford to use it occasionally, and (3) it will actually be completed before I die (unlikely).
yorkie1999 Posted 12 February 2020 Posted 12 February 2020 Just now, Innovindil said: No, he isn't. He's on about banning the sale of them in 2035, possibly sooner. Since most cars last a good 10 years, it will be a phasing out job over that time. To me, it still sounds ridiculously unfeasible, but you have to aim somewhere eh. Well how about actually putting an infrastucture in place before he starts talking about something that's not going to happen, not whilst he's in any position of accountability anyway. It's very easy to talk the talk, as we all know, but all he's going to accomplish is basically fvck up what left of the UK's car industry in about 5 years time, unless he feels a 75 grand jag epace is going to solve all our problems.
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