Ayoze Pérez

[HighPeakFox]

I think it is far too easy to blame Perez for failing to finish top 4 twice, and too simplistic too.

 

For my money, last season at least, it had far more to do with injuries, especially Barnes'.

[M0901]

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think it is far too easy to blame Perez for failing to finish top 4 twice, and too simplistic too.

 

For my money, last season at least, it had far more to do with injuries, especially Barnes'.

I wouldn’t say Barnes’ injury was our downfall, considering Kelechi came in…

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, M0901 said:

I wouldn’t say Barnes’ injury was our downfall, considering Kelechi came in…

Not as a standalone, no - I just think it forced a change of formation and we never looked quite the same again, results notwithstanding.

[DennisNedry]

I'm frustrated that we haven't upgraded on Perez's position over the summer. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a weak link but he rarely stands out in a positive way for me.

 

Yes, on Saturday, he was better than both Barnes and Maddison. But those 2 players are much, much better than Perez when on the top of their games.

[Nod.E]

35 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

people on this website will say they like Perez and talk the world of him just to take a contrarian position towards posters who make it clear they don't like him. Be honest.

Or, maybe - hear me out - they have a different opinion to you.

[urban fox]

The constant “if only we had replaced  Mahrez with someone better” mantra is wearing a bit thin. When we had him on the right, we had Albrighton on the left, now we have Barnes on the left we use Perez or Marc on the right to press etc. 

If we had an out and out RW who played a similar style to Barnes who would do the dirty work to win the ball and let us transition play out to the wide men? Would that player then be occupying the space that Ricky runs into? Playing with two attacking wingers/wide forwards in that way would leave us very exposed through the midfield.

Even if we finally get the mythical winger we all want I think we would only play one of Barnes or new RW, unless of course we are going to completely change the shape of the team and play without a creative no10.

[NaijaFox]

18 minutes ago, urban fox said:

The constant “if only we had replaced  Mahrez with someone better” mantra is wearing a bit thin. When we had him on the right, we had Albrighton on the left, now we have Barnes on the left we use Perez or Marc on the right to press etc. 

If we had an out and out RW who played a similar style to Barnes who would do the dirty work to win the ball and let us transition play out to the wide men? Would that player then be occupying the space that Ricky runs into? Playing with two attacking wingers/wide forwards in that way would leave us very exposed through the midfield.

Even if we finally get the mythical winger we all want I think we would only play one of Barnes or new RW, unless of course we are going to completely change the shape of the team and play without a creative no10.

There's a reason we are looking for a left-footed RW.

The idea is that the RW would cut inside, vacating the outside for the RB. That's why Under was tried.

[NaijaFox]

18 hours ago, Foxxed said:

I agree with your assessment but I think it's justifiable. Perez and Ricardo give us way to pick apart deep lying defences. Individually I don't rate Perez as a right winger but when he works with Ricardo then Perez is a tactically very important player. And let's not forget his inteception stats: he created a very good opportunity in the first half and those skills led to our FA Cup win.

Intrigued by this thesis, which seems to be gaining increasing currency on FT. My initial instinct is that the simultaneous presence of two things do not necessarily establish a causal link, but one supposes that it's a theory that would be fully tested when/if someone else plays with Ricardo on the right, to see if it would diminish Ricardo's effectiveness or somehow stunt our ability to unlock nominally deep lying defenses (albeit on the evidence of yesterday's brief appearance by Iheanacho, I suspect that it would make no substantive difference so long as Ricky is on song and on top of his game).

[urban fox]

2 minutes ago, NaijaFox said:

There's a reason we are looking for a left-footed RW.

The idea is that the RW would cut inside, vacating the outside for the RB. That's why Under was tried.

I get that but also Under did not satisfy BR in respect of his defensive work. As has been pointed out elsewhere, Mahrez had Simpson behind him so had license to stay forward but Simmo got a nosebleed if he got more than a yard over the halfway line and hardly ever overlapped. Barnes has improved his tracking back too and it seems that we want our wide forwards to be able to press and defend too these days

[Stadt]

5 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think it is far too easy to blame Perez for failing to finish top 4 twice, and too simplistic too.

 

For my money, last season at least, it had far more to do with injuries, especially Barnes'.

I never blamed Perez directly but considering we’ve missed out by a cumulative 5 points across 19/20 & 20/21 it’s not unfair to say having a better player at RW probably is the difference.

 

He scored 2 goals and contributed 1 assist last season.

 

Castagne, Evans, Ndidi and Albrighton all had more goal contributions which is quite telling.

Edited 15 August 2021 by Stadt

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Or, maybe - hear me out - they have a different opinion to you.

Nope. They entirely consist of people arguing in bad faith.

[HighPeakFox]

45 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I never blamed Perez directly but considering we’ve missed out by a cumulative 5 points across 19/20 & 20/21 it’s not unfair to say by having a better player on the position probably is the difference.

 

He scored 2 goals and contributed 1 assist last season.

 

Castagne, Evans, Ndidi and Albrighton all  had more goal contributions which is quite telling.

And I'm not having a go at you personally  Just a general observation.

[Nod.E]

1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Nope. They entirely consist of people arguing in bad faith.

So commenting that Perez isn't that bad isn't acceptable in your book? 

 

Personally I think the criticism he gets is unwarranted, however at the same time recognise his position is the most obvious position we can improve in.

[gurru991]

1 minute ago, Nod.E said:

So commenting that Perez isn't that bad isn't acceptable in your book? 

 

Personally I think the criticism he gets is unwarranted, however at the same time recognise his position is the most obvious position we can improve in.

Very well said.. 

[Legend_in_blue]

I think the analysis given on the radio is pretty much spot on regarding his performances.  His movement off the ball allows others to come into play.  He's never going to run down the wing and beat his man or give you a load of fancy stepovers.  His movement off the ball however deserves credit, as it did yesterday.  He drew those two defenders a little which allowed the space for Ricardo to exploit for Vardy's goal.  His touch in the FA Cup final led to Tielemans goal. 

 

Give the guy a break.  He is never going to play in the way those that criticise him want him to.  So you're on a hiding to nothing there I'm afraid. 

 

[Guest Danny Clender]

This is a bit of a head spin, but let's see how this writes.

 

He draws space for our other players.

Meaning defenders mark him or track with him to prevent an option of a pass to him?

Yet if he was to receive the perceived ball, a player would just tackle him and win the ball back anyway? or he'd trip up over the ball anyway. 

So why should they track him in the first place if he's not going to do anything with his perceived possession.

Would the opposition just not be better to follow the ball instead of covering Perez and deal with him if and when he gets the ball? 

I'm sure an opposition would realise this and would be making a bad decision to allow Perez to open up any space.

 

 

I do agree something is working with him though and I live in hope he'll start to become fully recognised for his team role style, but would it not be better to have a less complicated system in the right forward position?

 

Personally I think the Okazaki comparison feels too convenient. 

Edited 15 August 2021 by Danny Clender

[NaijaFox]

16 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I think the analysis given on the radio is pretty much spot on regarding his performances.  His movement off the ball allows others to come into play.  He's never going to run down the wing and beat his man or give you a load of fancy stepovers.  His movement off the ball however deserves credit, as it did yesterday.  He drew those two defenders a little which allowed the space for Ricardo to exploit for Vardy's goal.  His touch in the FA Cup final led to Tielemans goal. 

 

Give the guy a break.  He is never going to play in the way those that criticise him want him to.  So you're on a hiding to nothing there I'm afraid. 

 

Again, hate to be THAT dude, but he really didn't. Ricardo had no "space" to exploit, but instead literally had to squeeze between both Wolves defenders. Perez is a decent enough squad player without folks making up stuff for him.

[honeybradger]

13 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I think the analysis given on the radio is pretty much spot on regarding his performances.  His movement off the ball allows others to come into play.  He's never going to run down the wing and beat his man or give you a load of fancy stepovers.  His movement off the ball however deserves credit, as it did yesterday.  He drew those two defenders a little which allowed the space for Ricardo to exploit for Vardy's goal.  His touch in the FA Cup final led to Tielemans goal. 

 

Give the guy a break.  He is never going to play in the way those that criticise him want him to.  So you're on a hiding to nothing there I'm afraid. 

 

I feel like Perez would get a lot less criticism if there werent so many people leaping through rings of fire to make his performances seem good. "He drew those two defenders a little which allowed the space for Ricardo to exploit for Vardy's goal", Ricardo literally drag back nutmegged the defender and then passed through the eye of a needle between those two defenders to get that cross in, the situation he was in was in no way favourable for him to do anything with it, so how is Perez getting credit for getting Ricardo into that situation? Perez was decent enough last game, in the sense where he didnt do much right and he didnt do much wrong, he was just there holding shape most of the time. I would say im at fault for overblowing his poor performances which is my bad. As a bit of advice, dont swing the pendulum the other way and overpraise his decent games because the pendulum will only swing back the other way just as hard, Perez is ok, that's all, he doesnt unlock the rest of the team with his movement, he's not a key figure because he recycles possession, he's just there to make up the numbers at the moment while the rest of the players do their business.

[filbertway]

I enjoy reading the arguments for Perez

 

So far, he's good at getting in the way of the other teams players and good at keeping out of the way of our players. According to his staunchest supporters, he's got a similar skillset to one of those robotic hoovers.

[BenTheFox]

Right, so how incriminating are the nudes he's got of Rodgers? 

[FrankieADZ]

4 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Right, so how incriminating are the nudes he's got of Rodgers? 

must be bad as even when hes utter shite hes still getting chance after chance after chance

[5waller5]

He was actually fouled from behind 2 seconds prior, why on earth didn’t he just go down!?

[phoneticerror]

1 minute ago, 5waller5 said:

He was actually fouled from behind 2 seconds prior, why on earth didn’t he just go down!?

I was saying the exact same thing.

[Jimmy]

3 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

He was actually fouled from behind 2 seconds prior, why on earth didn’t he just go down!?

because people constantly bitch about him doing just that

[NaijaFox]

2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

He was actually fouled from behind 2 seconds prior, why on earth didn’t he just go down!?

Probably because of the so-called “lighter touch” officiating he would not have gotten the call.