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10 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

The criticism he's getting is ridiculous, he's a young talent who will only get better. Both the last two games he's practically been on his own against some of the worlds best players, sometimes two on one.

Ffs stop keep saying he's still young , he's 23. T.A.A.. is nearly 2 years younger than him! Age has got nothing to do with it. He has weaknesses,  so get practising day in day out until you get rid of them , that's what true professionals do.

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11 hours ago, Jimmy said:

Fuchs would have been ripped apart even worse than Chilwell in the last 2 games then Chilwell was ,why is it our fans have to turn on any player that comes through our academy, had we bought Barnes and Chilwell from United's academy and they played for us the same amount of time they wouldn't get half the stick they get now, its pathetic

Totally the opposite imo.

 

Nobody is turning on players, they turn on themselves, you can only comment on what you see. We are for more forgiving of 'our own' 

 

Its not the amount of games its the performances.

 

Harvey in particular has been given far more chances and has featured in more games that current form suggests he should. If his name was Ghezzal he'd would've got a lot of vocal flack

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You don't nail a regular starting spot in the England team - even these days - if you can't play,

As others have pointed out, tactical inadequacies in recent matches have seen him left horribly exposed. Confidence will suffer as a result, and he might start thinking he'd be better off elsewhere.

Letting that happen would be very dumb.

 

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3 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

You don't nail a regular starting spot in the England team - even these days - if you can't play,

As others have pointed out, tactical inadequacies in recent matches have seen him left horribly exposed. Confidence will suffer as a result, and he might start thinking he'd be better off elsewhere.

Letting that happen would be very dumb.

 

Ah, the "he plays for England " thing again. Liverpool would thrash England unmercifully. Look he seems like a clever lad and even though Rodgers has been leaving him out to dry, areas of his game are weak and he needs to work,work,work on them, he knows that.

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Let's be honest. He's in the England team by default. What's his competition? Danny Rose? Do me a favour. I'd fancy myself for a few caps in that instance.

 

He's not without talent. He's a superb athlete. He carries the ball really well. But he needs to improve defensively, and work on his final ball (although I have seen improvement recently). Dropping back from the defensive line to play everyone onside for Liverpool's first shows he lacks a bit of savvy also.

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12 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Ah, the "he plays for England " thing again. Liverpool would thrash England unmercifully. Look he seems like a clever lad and even though Rodgers has been leaving him out to dry, areas of his game are weak and he needs to work,work,work on them, he knows that.

Of course, don't think anyone would deny that. Just think he's a decent player with the potential to be top class, and to lose him would be a retrograde step.

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Not read comments but how can you slate the lad for the last 2 games? Absolutely hung out to dry with those tactics.

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1 hour ago, An Sionnach said:

Ffs stop keep saying he's still young , he's 23. T.A.A.. is nearly 2 years younger than him! Age has got nothing to do with it. He has weaknesses,  so get practising day in day out until you get rid of them , that's what true professionals do.

So he has 4 or 5 years to iron out the bad parts of his game to become a world class left back? Can’t think of many full backs in the world that were at the best of their ability at 23. 

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11 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

The criticism he's getting is ridiculous, he's a young talent who will only get better. Both the last two games he's practically been on his own against some of the worlds best players, sometimes two on one.

 

Yep. Even for the first goal yesterday, he had both Firmino and Salah descending on him. I presume one of our centre backs should have been tracking Firmino?

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8 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Yep. Even for the first goal yesterday, he had both Firmino and Salah descending on him. I presume one of our centre backs should have been tracking Firmino?

No, he should have held the line and played them offside.

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39 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

No, he should have held the line and played them offside.

 

I just watched it again - and see what you mean: https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/12/video-watch-the-goals-and-highlights-from-leicester-0-4-liverpool/

 

Easier said than done, though. Try stopping that video at 0:58 and then 1 second later at 0:59.

 

Yes, at 0:59, as the cross is played, Chilwell has broken the defensive line and is playing them onside - though so, possibly, are Soyuncu & Evans.

But 1 second earlier he's holding the line, level with Soyuncu (grappling with an attacker in the middle), while not 2 but 3 Liverpool players are making runs on him, Firmino & Salah outside & a third player inside.

Meanwhile, there's nobody within 10 yards of Alexander-Arnold as he makes the cross - and about 5 other LCFC players doing very little of any use.

 

I do take your point that they might (and only "might") have been caught offside if he'd held the line.......but it's a mess generally - and a sign of the tiny margins, I suppose.

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Some fans can defend him, but he really needs time on the bench to learn how to defend. Teams now attack him because they know he cannot defend. His particular weakness is that he stands too far from his man and never closes down - allowing the opposition time to whip in crosses or to shoot. This has been happening ever since he came on to the first team but it seems no one has ever told him.

 

Look at the way Ricardo defends on the other side. He closes down. He chases everything. He tackles. He gets STUCK in.

 

So it is not a matter of tactics. It is skill, coaching and just wanting to get stuck in.

 

Chilwell’s positioning is often suspect as well and he has now been guilty of yet again another keeping opposition onside and not fall back on line - leading the Liverpool’s first goal. He was also guilty of not closing down directly leading to the 4th goal. For the third goal, his positioning led him to missing his header (contrast Ricardo heading the ball out of play on the other side just as their LB was about to head)

 

He also just passes backwards 80% of the time.

 

We’ll support him, but he also needs to recognise his problems and improve.

 

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Must admit, last night he was left exposed, again, I do criticise him but cant for the last two games where the manager has to carry a large amount of the blame.

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2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

So he has 4 or 5 years to iron out the bad parts of his game to become a world class left back? Can’t think of many full backs in the world that were at the best of their ability at 23. 

Maldini, and he kept it up for the next ten years.

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1 minute ago, An Sionnach said:

Maldini, and he kept it up for the next ten years.

Roberto Carlos was pretty good at 23 as well.

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8 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

Must admit, last night he was left exposed, again, I do criticise him but cant for the last two games where the manager has to carry a large amount of the blame.

What about Ricardo on the other side? Barnes played on the right this time. Ricardo still did his job fine tackling abouts, chasing down, staying close, getting stuck in ...

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1 minute ago, Tom12345 said:

What about Ricardo on the other side? Barnes played on the right this time. Ricardo still did his job fine tackling abouts, chasing down, staying close, getting stuck in ...

Chilly was often left by himself, dunno who was supposed to be helping out down that wing but they weren't .

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