Corona Virus

[StanSP]

12 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Fair enough

 

(Maybe she owns an ice cream stall.... )

Could do with an ice cream van turning up this week ! Meant to be hottest week of the year so far... 

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

That isn't my question, I'm asking what are the rules around it and whether we should self isolate before? Not your opinion of whether you think it is stupid. 

 

Also - what is the difference between us living there and a family of 4 living in the same household? I am WFH and we go shopping once a week, and follow the rest of the rules. 

Regarding the 2nd bit, the difference being that that family of 4 already live together as one household. 

 

You going to live there is 2 separate households becoming one which, by the rules, is not allowed. 

 

The fact your own house is going to become unliveable is almost a mitigating circumstance. I guess it depends how confident you are that you/your partner don't have the virus (but you could be asymptomatic) and therefore assessing the risk that you pose to her parents? 

 

(it's not stupid to ask!). 

[z-layrex]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

 

Are you normally self righteous or just sometimes...this pretty much sums up the whole issue around this Virus

No the whole issue around the virus is British arrogance and insisting life goes on as normal. I'm not being self righteous, I just care about human life. We are in the middle of probably the biggest and most dangerous event of our lifetimes, and all you care about is your extension and whether you can move in with your in laws? **** the extension if it means doing that. WAIT!

 

Guidance is here:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do#public-spaces--outdoor-activities--exercise

 

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The most up-to-date guidance says: “Leaving your home - the place you live - to stay at another home for a holiday or other purpose is not allowed. This includes visiting second homes.” 

 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Regarding the 2nd bit, the difference being that that family of 4 already live together as one household. 

 

You going to live there is 2 separate households becoming one which, by the rules, is not allowed. 

 

The fact your own house is going to become unliveable is almost a mitigating circumstance. I guess it depends how confident you are that you/your partner don't have the virus (but you could be asymptomatic) and therefore assessing the risk that you pose to her parents? 

 

(it's not stupid to ask!). 

Thank you - someone with a brain. 

 

I was wondering what happened under the stricter original lockdown period where people moved back from university into their parents homes, or moved into (or moved in) an elderly relative, how did that work? Presumeing all that was breaking the rules?

[Craig]

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Can I move in with someone new?

Many people would be planning to move in with a partner, or rent a home with new housemates, who are currently in different households.

Clearly, that means members of two households getting together, but the government says it is permitted.

The important caveat is that it should be delayed if anyone in either household is showing symptoms. Any period of self-isolation should also be completed by the last member of either original household before people move in together, or join a houseshare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52648507

Edited 18 May 2020 by Craig

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

 

OK - as asked in my first question, can you point me to where they have said that? 

 

This should clear things up? 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/social-policy/health/diseases/coronavirus-advice-on-home-moves

 

The regulations were changed as of 13th May where it is possible to move home. 

 

'moving house only 'where reasonably necessary' is now permitted'

[z-layrex]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

 

This should clear things up? 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/social-policy/health/diseases/coronavirus-advice-on-home-moves

 

The regulations were changed as of 13th May where it is possible to move home. 

 

'moving house only 'where reasonably necessary' is now permitted'

Moving house does not include moving in with (presumably of an older age) in-laws.

[String fellow]

1 hour ago, nnickn said:

2 children under 15 years old have died from the  virus since March 1st

12 children(av) are killed in road traffic accidents since March 1st

I really think there should be some kind of ban on cars etc, the risk is too high.

What about all those lives (including children's) that are saved in an emergency, by them being rushed to hospital in cars? Raw statistics like those quoted simply don't provide a true picture of the real world. 

[z-layrex]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Regarding the 2nd bit, the difference being that that family of 4 already live together as one household. 

 

You going to live there is 2 separate households becoming one which, by the rules, is not allowed. 

 

The fact your own house is going to become unliveable is almost a mitigating circumstance. I guess it depends how confident you are that you/your partner don't have the virus (but you could be asymptomatic) and therefore assessing the risk that you pose to her parents? 

 

(it's not stupid to ask!). 

It's not a mitigating circumstance, you can delay the work so it remains liveable and not put others at risk. But I'm not saying what he wants to hear so I don't have a brain.

[Tommy G]

4 minutes ago, Craig said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52648507

So it is permitted after 13th May?

 

Same as normal house moves are. Providing you take the measures of self isolating like I suggested?

[Leicester_Loyal]

18 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Anyone know the official line from the Government on moving house. I understand you can now do so, but you couldn't before. We are in a slightly different situation as we are moving into my in laws house as ours is having an extension built and it won't be livable (no kitchen bathrooms etc) It states not to socialise with anyone outside of your current household, but do we become part of their household when we move in??

 

Can't get a definiative answer anywhere, if anyone can help I'd appreciate it. Worst comes to the worst both ouseholds will self isolate for 2 weeks befre we move in. 

If you've got no kitchen or bathroom then you'll have to move, regardless of the circumstances. I'd just self isolate for just over 7 days prior to moving in there.

 

I can see why people are getting arsey, but then we've got thousands up and down the country everyday having parties, getting haircuts at their house and seeing their partners as normal, that's putting the R rate up a lot more than a bloke genuinely needing to move out and into somewhere new.

[StanSP]

Just now, Tommy G said:

So it is permitted after 13th May?

 

Same as normal house moves are. Providing you take the measures of self isolating like I suggested?

Yes. As long as you don't provide a direct risk to the people you're moving in with, it seems that it is permitted (how old are the in-laws, are they in vulnerable categories, are they shielding or in quarantine etc). 

 

[Tommy G]

Just now, Leicester_Loyal said:

If you've got no kitchen or bathroom then you'll have to move, regardless of the circumstances. I'd just self isolate for just over 7 days prior to moving in there.

 

I can see why people are getting arsey, but then we've got thousands up and down the country everyday having parties, getting haircuts at their house and seeing their partners as normal, that's putting the R rate up a lot more than a bloke genuinely needing to move out and into somewhere new.

EXACTLY

 

I detailed the precautions we are taking, and it seems it is actually permitted after May 13th. I only asked a question, @z-layrex going completely over the top. Perhaps direct your anger issues elsewhere, this forum is to ask questions and help from other people, there could of been someone else here in completely the same circumstance so I was asking for advice and any help....

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Yes. As long as you don't provide a direct risk to the people you're moving in with, it seems that it is permitted (how old are the in-laws, are they in vulnerable categories, are they shielding or in quarantine etc). 

 

in 60's with no pre-existing health conditions, and not shielding. No way would me or my wife risk this if they were 70+ with heart disease or diabetis for example...

[z-layrex]

4 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

in 60's with no pre-existing health conditions, and not shielding. No way would me or my wife risk this if they were 70+ with heart disease or diabetis for example...

You are ****ing mental. 

 

I give up.

[fuchsntf]

13 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

That isn't my question, I'm asking what are the rules around it and whether we should self isolate before? Not your opinion of whether you think it is stupid. 

 

Also - what is the difference between us living there and a family of 4 living in the same household? I am WFH and we go shopping once a week, and follow the rest of the rules. 

2 totally different issues and phases... 

 You have on one side a family  of 4 that have shared their corvid-19 lockdown lives together,even longer!!!

You yourselves are moving into a separate routine ,houshold,even if it is your in-laws they you have been seperated,Now in a Virus situation,you want to Share a home.....

 

That is a massive shift..!!!   

I back @z-layrex.... Its a matter of IMO common-sense....Why at the Moment Jump into the unknown,for that given longer period...!!!

If you were Meeting in the open/Park. Thats a difference....Actually seen as ok and acceptable..you see. ITS OUTDOORS...!!

 

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

You are ****ing mental. 

 

I give up.

Why am I mental.. I asked what the rules are and finally got an answer, which was the opposite of your interpretation so now you're throwing your toys out the pram 

[fuchsntf]

22 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

This should clear things up? 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/social-policy/health/diseases/coronavirus-advice-on-home-moves

 

The regulations were changed as of 13th May where it is possible to move home. 

 

'moving house only 'where reasonably necessary' is now permitted'

People can move house,( with immediate family) but not yet share it even with previously separated.  Family or  relations...Thats how I understand it..!!

[z-layrex]

8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Why am I mental.. I asked what the rules are and finally got an answer, which was the opposite of your interpretation so now you're throwing your toys out the pram 

Your initial post reads like you intend to do this stupid thing.

 

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Anyone know the official line from the Government on moving house. I understand you can now do so, but you couldn't before. We are in a slightly different situation as we are moving into my in laws house as ours is having an extension built and it won't be livable (no kitchen bathrooms etc) It states not to socialise with anyone outside of your current household, but do we become part of their household when we move in??

 

Can't get a definiative answer anywhere, if anyone can help I'd appreciate it. Worst comes to the worst both ouseholds will self isolate for 2 weeks befre we move in. 

 

I am throwing my toys out of the pram. I have been working 80 hour weeks on a COVID ICU since early March, seen enough suffering to last me a lifetime in 2 months and you are making plans to start avoidable building works and move in with people in their 60's. If you can't understand why I get upset then...

 

Anyway, whatever way you manage to interpret out government's maddeningly vague advice, JUST WAIT.

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, z-layrex said:

Your initial post reads like you intend to do this stupid thing.

 

I am throwing my toys out of the pram. I have been working 80 hour weeks on a COVID ICU since early March, seen enough suffering to last me a lifetime in 2 months and you are making plans to start avoidable building works and move in with people in their 60's. If you can't understand why I get upset then...

 

Anyway, whatever way you manage to interpret out government's maddeningly vague advice, JUST WAIT.

It's not interpreting it, I am asking for the rule changes since 13th May. That was my simple question

 

People are asked to strictly follow govt advice when it suits but now I shouldn't follow govt advice because it's against your interpretation or agenda? I guess you will have a different viewpoint given your line of work, but at the same time this virus isnt going away until there is a vaccine (if there ever is one) so I guess we are supposed to delay everything until that happens? Under your logic. Stated previously I would be following a self isolation period which is over and above what the govt ask when moving home. So I'll leave it there, get some sleep or something.  

[Legend_in_blue]

 

Nice try.

 

It's worth pointing out that I couldn't find any gov't advice on setting up your own camp, just advice relating to campsites, holiday parks and second homes.

 

The gov't needs to update the rules to avoid loopholes like this one.

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 May 2020 by Legend_in_blue

[z-layrex]

4 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It's not interpreting it, I am asking for the rule changes since 13th May. That was my simple question

 

People are asked to strictly follow govt advice when it suits but now I shouldn't follow govt advice because it's against your interpretation or agenda? I guess you will have a different viewpoint given your line of work, but at the same time this virus isnt going away until there is a vaccine (if there ever is one) so I guess we are supposed to delay everything until that happens? Under your logic. Stated previously I would be following a self isolation period which is over and above what the govt ask when moving home. So I'll leave it there, get some sleep or something.  

Believe me I know it's not going away.

 

What you can do is wait a year until there's less of it around. It is May, less than 1 month since we nearly drowned.

[ScouseFox]

6 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Nice try.

 

It's worth pointing out that I couldn't find any gov't advice on setting up your own camp, just advice relating to campsites, holiday parks and second homes.

 

The gov't needs to update the rules to avoid loopholes like this one.

what were they fined for?

 

they're definitely far enough apart, presumably went walking/biking/hiking in the day so were exercising, and we've been told you can drive as far as possible and spend unlimited amount of time outside?

[Strokes]

11 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It's not interpreting it, I am asking for the rule changes since 13th May. That was my simple question

 

People are asked to strictly follow govt advice when it suits but now I shouldn't follow govt advice because it's against your interpretation or agenda? I guess you will have a different viewpoint given your line of work, but at the same time this virus isnt going away until there is a vaccine (if there ever is one) so I guess we are supposed to delay everything until that happens? Under your logic. Stated previously I would be following a self isolation period which is over and above what the govt ask when moving home. So I'll leave it there, get some sleep or something.  

Could you not buy a caravan to live on your drive until you know it’s safe?

[filbertway]

 

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Could you not buy a caravan to live on your drive until you know it’s safe?