Coronavirus Thread

[foxile5]

26 minutes ago, murphy said:

A bit of positivity would be refreshing rather than the relentless cynicism that you specialise in.

 

But then we all know FT > SAGE

 

 

 

 

The thing is, Murphy, there's not tonnes to be positive about in terms of our dealing with this. 

 

I know this is your team in charge and that you want badly to paint them in a good light but I've not really got a dog in the race besides the health and safety of my family. 

 

Ill be positive when it's time to be positive and I'll always view the government through a healthy lens of cynicism and distrust no matter what the party. Particularly with the government du jour is outright lying. 

 

But just for you - I'm glad it's raining so my garden gets a bit of liquid. 

[String fellow]

The UK is on course for 40k deaths before the end of this week. Truly shocking. Dispatches tonight on C4 will be looking into why things have gone so badly wrong.

[bovril]

36 minutes ago, murphy said:

A bit of positivity would be refreshing rather than the relentless cynicism that you specialise in.

 

But then we all know FT > SAGE

 

 

 

 

As somebody else posted a few days ago I've never seen large death tolls reported with positivity but feel free to lighten the mood yourself.

[Leicester_Loyal]

59 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Significant portion of deaths again today. 

 

At least the Swedes are acknowledging their own failures. Some of that would be refreshing over here. 

It's the lowest figure we've had on a Wednesday for weeks, plus it said there was some backdated deaths in there too.

[Leicester_Loyal]

EDIT: Sorry should have been in the News thread.

Edited 3 June 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

It's the lowest figure we've had on a Wednesday for weeks, plus it said there was some backdated deaths in there too.

Been critical as many know but can't understand why the govt don't help themselves by separating the figure in illustrating backdated deaths. 

 

No death should be judged any different than the other. However, you'd be able to have reasons for progress in the number of deaths coming down. 

[z-layrex]

3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Thousands in Hyde Park for the Black Lives Matters protest.

 

A few minutes after taking the knee, police officers were belted with bottles and other missiles.

Meanwhile we admitted 4 covid patients to my icu in 2 hours yesterday, something that hasn't happened in quite a while.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, z-layrex said:

Meanwhile we admitted 4 covid patients to my icu in 2 hours yesterday, something that hasn't happened in quite a while.

Shocking mate

[Finnaldo]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

As somebody else posted a few days ago I've never seen large death tolls reported with positivity but feel free to lighten the mood yourself.

That was me 

 

It’s quite odd, you never see “yes a lot of people died in 9-11/Iraq War/The Troubles, but can we look at the positives?”, and there’s generally positivity around breakthroughs in any vaccine, treatment, or improvement of conditions around the worlds anyway. 
 

I wouldn’t want to accuse, but it seems the shouts for positivity incidentally come for a situation that’s the Tories have liability for. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, z-layrex said:

Meanwhile we admitted 4 covid patients to my icu in 2 hours yesterday, something that hasn't happened in quite a while.

Well that’s not good news, too early to be related to relaxing lockdown measures I guess,  I wonder if it relates to people relaxing them themselves?

[foxile5]

2 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

Meanwhile we admitted 4 covid patients to my icu in 2 hours yesterday, something that hasn't happened in quite a while.

There's probably a bit of an increase coming to represent the v day festivities. 

[Dahnsouff]

This conversation about positive news is mildly amusing.
Are people really so polarised that good news cannot exist in a bad situation?

They never reported positives in wartime? Or from unlikely survivors in disasters? Wasn’t Captain Tom good news?

 

People need to put the politics first attitude to one side. 

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

There's probably a bit of an increase coming to represent the v day festivities. 

Ah maybe so 

[Nalis]

I'm usually in the positive camp as I like to see the potential good in things as its in my nature. Saying that, heard on the LBC our death toll today was higher than the rest of the EU countries combined, and that was coming from Nigel Farage!

 

It's good to see our death rate falling though its slightly concerning its happening at a much slower rate than the rest of the Europe.

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This conversation about positive news is mildly amusing.
Are people really so polarised that good news cannot exist in a bad situation?

They never reported positives in wartime? Or from unlikely survivors in disasters? Wasn’t Captain Tom good news?

 

People need to put the politics first attitude to one side. 

That's fine. And that news is being reported.

 

I don't want to speak for other people too much, but I think what frustrates some is that increasingly people trying to make valid points or ask difficult questions are being called negative, and those responsible for the mess are being let off surprisingly lightly. But then I guess I have to accept I live in England and of course avoiding conflict is always of paramount importance, more important perhaps than avoiding a potentially lethal disease.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

That's fine. And that news is being reported.

 

I don't want to speak for other people too much, but I think what frustrates some is that increasingly people trying to make valid points or ask difficult questions are being called negative, and those responsible for the mess are being let off surprisingly lightly. But then I guess I have to accept I live in England and of course avoiding conflict is always of paramount importance, more important perhaps than avoiding a potentially lethal disease.

It’s a fair point, we are quite meek as a nation. I personally expected we would be at a lower rate by now, bottom line is we are not. Could be my expectations but worrying nonetheless.

[fox_up_north]

I've just seen the footage of the protests in London and what really doesn't sit right with me is those (including Star Wars actor John Boyega) shouting about the rail worker who died of Covid 19 after being spat at. The police concluded that the spit played no part in her death and gave the suspect an antibody test - which came back negative. 

 

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52853859

 

And yet, these protesters are shouting about it while around her family, for what I assume is more than the 15 minutes required for transmission of the virus that killed her. It just seems so wrong.

 

Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong because I'll gladly be wrong on this. 

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[Parafox]

28 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

It’s a fair point, we are quite meek as a nation. I personally expected we would be at a lower rate by now, bottom line is we are not. Could be my expectations but worrying nonetheless.

I think we're a more "right-on" nation now and have been weakened by liberalism and trying to please all of the people, all of the time and bending the knee to those who want everything for everybody.

[WigstonWanderer]

Not sure who this guy is but seems to be arguing along the same lines as another article posted here earlier regarding the way Covid 19 works.

 

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/06/02/how-does-covid-kill-people/

Quote:

 

The hypothesis here is that, the way the COVID kills people is, primarily, by damaging the endothelial cells that line all blood vessels, and also the lung endothelium facing the atmosphere.

Edited 3 June 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[Parafox]

15 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I've just seen the footage of the protests in London and what really doesn't sit right with me is those (including Star Wars actor John Boyega) shouting about the rail worker who died of Covid 19 after being spat at. The police concluded that the spit played no part in her death and gave the suspect an antibody test - which came back negative. 

 

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52853859

 

And yet, these protesters are shouting about it while around her family, for what I assume is more than the 15 minutes required for transmission of the virus that killed her. It just seems so wrong.

 

Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong because I'll gladly be wrong on this. 

It's being reported that between 25 and 33% of tests show false negatives. Maybe...?

[bovril]

5 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I think we're a more "right-on" nation now and have been weakened by liberalism and trying to please all of the people, all of the time and bending the knee to those who want everything for everybody.

We're not, we're the most passive nation around. 72 people burned to death in the centre of London and we heard hardly a peep. We're up there with the US in terms of "thoughts and prayers". 

Edited 3 June 2020 by bovril

[foxile5]

24 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I've just seen the footage of the protests in London and what really doesn't sit right with me is those (including Star Wars actor John Boyega) shouting about the rail worker who died of Covid 19 after being spat at. The police concluded that the spit played no part in her death and gave the suspect an antibody test - which came back negative. 

 

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52853859

 

And yet, these protesters are shouting about it while around her family, for what I assume is more than the 15 minutes required for transmission of the virus that killed her. It just seems so wrong.

 

Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong because I'll gladly be wrong on this. 

The entire concept of these protests in the UK b seem wrong to me. 

[Parafox]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

We're not, we're the most passive nation around. 72 people burned to death in the centre of London and we heard hardly a peep. We're up there with the US in terms of "thoughts and prayers". 

Not sure what you're referring to with the "72 people burned to death" but I assume it's Grenfell. I wouldn't describe the reaction and fallout from that tragedy as "hardly a peep"

[Dahnsouff]

12 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I think we're a more "right-on" nation now and have been weakened by liberalism and trying to please all of the people, all of the time and bending the knee to those who want everything for everybody.

Maybe, not quite sure what “right on” implies in this context (will plead age)

Would say we are quite entitled, or at least believe we have a right to things we perhaps don’t.

Sad fact is, the world is not equal in terms of opportunity, in terms of birth and privilege.

We run with what we have, we seek to improve, we just don’t need to expect it to without our own actions.