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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I honestly don't give a **** how many people have got the virus.  The only interesting measures are how the NHS is coping.  Numbers in hospital, numbers in ICU, numbers on ventilation.  Vs capacity. So far we are miles off where we were at the peak, and we don't seem to be increasing anything like as quickly as we did, despite the shitty time of year.

Mate had to go the Infirmary last weekend after breaking his wrist, says there were 4 people in a&e, was in and out in an hour with x-rays, had 2 doctors looking at him and the nurse was saying she had hardly anything  to do. Don't know if it's true or not and maybe a&e is treated as a separate thing.

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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Those goalposts keep moving don't they.  It seems to be the case that if people are wearing masks and being careful there is not a lot else to be gained from these current restrictions if you keep going to work and keep the kids in school and students at uni.  

Depends where the R number is I suppose. 10 people in a pub getting it and spreading it to say 2 people each, you don't need to be a mathematician to know that the number impacted by those 10 skyrockets quickly. 

 

It's hell to try and balance live, lives, economy. Don't like Johnson, but he's walked into an impossible situation. 

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2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Mate had to go the Infirmary last weekend after breaking his wrist, says there were 4 people in a&e, was in and out in an hour with x-rays, had 2 doctors looking at him and the nurse was saying she had hardly anything  to do. Don't know if it's true or not and maybe a&e is treated as a separate thing.

This has been the case for many months I think.  They are in some kind of panic whereby they closed everything, scared the crap out of everyone and the knock on effects are horrendous.  

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4 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Well yeah, the priority is education for the reasons you've mentioned but my point is that hospitality is getting most of the blame for the rise in cases.

 

I dont get why it cant just be said by the media that schools and unis have been the major driving force in the hockey tick in cases and closing pubs and restaurants are the trade off in trying to negate it, as opposed to just blaming hospitality outright? 

 

Think that key piece of clarification and transparency from the government and media outlets would gain a modicum of respect from the public.

I don't sit watching news all day long, but I've seen that said quite clearly. Thing is, I presume they must think everyone understands that and they've moved on to covering the rest. There are articles constantly about the spread in unis and schools etc. 

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6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

If you keep comparing to a period where we had sod all testing then yes it does.  But in reality that left side should be something like 100 times higher, which means now is very very low.

The graph is hospital admissions, not positive tests. 

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14 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Honestly, people would then need to have another way to show the public why they are exempt from wearing an official card around their necks to say they are exempt from wearing a mask.

Unless this card has something on it to make it unforgable then it pointless. You'll just get people selling fake ones on ebay or Facebook market place so all those arseholes who don't want to wear them can pretend they are exempt.

 

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5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

If you keep comparing to a period where we had sod all testing then yes it does.  But in reality that left side should be something like 100 times higher, which means now is very very low.

Especially when the data is being analysed on a daily basis. Trying to predict anything from that graph is impossible, it could start to drop again tomorrow, but we won't find out until tomorrow. You can't predict the future based on one event in the past.

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12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Mate had to go the Infirmary last weekend after breaking his wrist, says there were 4 people in a&e, was in and out in an hour with x-rays, had 2 doctors looking at him and the nurse was saying she had hardly anything  to do. Don't know if it's true or not and maybe a&e is treated as a separate thing.

A&E at the LRI has 2 streams now. One for Covid suspected, which is in the new building and one for all other cases, which is in the Balmoral building. 

A&E attendance and 999 calls has dropped off considerably since the second lockdown as people seem to be managing non-serious conditions at home or are going to walk-in centres. Also our control room now has a 24hr consultant presence for us to get advice on whether a patient needs to go to hospital as well as advanced paramedics to support us in accessing alternative pathways such as urgent care. There's also a Geriatrician available to advise on the best treatment pathway for the elderly if there is no obvious need for A&E.

All this has made a big difference to numbers in A&E. Not quite 'horrendous' as @jonthehat suggested.

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1 minute ago, Parafox said:

A&E at the LRI has 2 streams now. One for Covid suspected, which is in the new building and one for all other cases, which is in the Balmoral building. 

A&E attendance and 999 calls has dropped off considerably since the second lockdown as people seem to be managing non-serious conditions at home or are going to walk-in centres. Also our control room now has a 24hr consultant presence for us to get advice on whether a patient needs to go to hospital as well as advanced paramedics to support us in accessing alternative pathways such as urgent care. There's also a Geriatrician available to advise on the best treatment pathway for the elderly if there is no obvious need for A&E.

All this has made a big difference to numbers in A&E. 

What are the actual numbers of covid patients at LRI, just interested not trying to stir it.

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1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Only 10 days instead of 14 as the return flights cancelled. The impact on the local economy here has been devastating, the locals are bewildered at our governments stance on foreign travel. It’s all very sad.

Would it be worth staying longer...If no Work responsibility. Then Go local...for Roof over the head..??

valuating Costs back home to staying on a budget & in the warmth,less Stress maybe..

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13 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So much money. Amazing how they find it to pay their mates but not for any actual good... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weren't these the ones people were kicking off at before, even though they provided exactly what they said they would? Giving contracts like this out is only a problem if they don't fulfil said contracts. Like the ferry one that had no ferries. 

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9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Especially when the data is being analysed on a daily basis. Trying to predict anything from that graph is impossible, it could start to drop again tomorrow, but we won't find out until tomorrow. You can't predict the future based on one event in the past.


Bit of a short sighted view this.

 

What do you think scientists and governments are doing with the wealth of statistical data that has come with this pandemic?

 

That's right, they've used it to take informed measures with a view to reducing those corresponding numbers because the concern otherwise is they would continue on an upwards trend. 

 

More so, the prediction of the future based on past events is big business in normal circumstances - it's performed everywhere - and is not as impossible as you may think. 

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8 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Weren't these the ones people were kicking off at before, even though they provided exactly what they said they would? Giving contracts like this out is only a problem if they don't fulfil said contracts. Like the ferry one that had no ferries. 

 

There does seem something a bit fishy here (see snippets from article in June)... at least with someone taking the government to court they will be able to vindicate themselves to the fullest degree? 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394309/Small-family-run-pest-control-firm-won-108m-contract-procure-PPE-frontline-NHS-staff.html

 

Revealed: Small family-run pest control firm with just 16 staff won £108MILLION contract to procure PPE for frontline NHS staff

 

  • PestFix, which has 16 employees, was awarded a £108million contract in April
  • Founder Dan England said that his firm may have been quicker to respond to the call for help 
  • The Government has spent £340million securing PPE since the virus outbreak

 

Normally PestFix supplies customers with supplies for pest control but received the £108million contract after responding to the Government’s call for help.

 

PestFix founder Dan England said: ‘Some of the bigger players that would normally be supplying this were perhaps not as quick to react or as dynamic.’

 

PestFix has no external investors and is instead owned by the England family, being run by brothers Dan and Matt England.

 

The company offers a range of products that help deal with most commonly found pests such as birds, rodents, insects and animals.

 

 

The company, based in Littlehampton, West Sussex, also sells shooting accessories such as air gun pellets, shooting safety glasses, gun lamps and cases for guns.

 

The contract awarded by the government was for the supply of PPE and on their website they offer 21 different PPE products.

 

In February, the company reportedly distanced itself from Cambridge University after BBC presenter Chris Packham spoke out against the university over using netting to cover trees and prevent birds from nesting.

 

The company provided the nets but said they disapproved of how they had been used by Cambridge.

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17 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Especially when the data is being analysed on a daily basis. Trying to predict anything from that graph is impossible, it could start to drop again tomorrow, but we won't find out until tomorrow. You can't predict the future based on one event in the past.

How on earth is it impossible exactly, it plots out a trend of months and not one event. We know how a virus spreads and multiples and without us actually doing something we currently aren’t, the graph is in all likelihood going to keep going up at an increasing rate.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

There does seem something a bit fishy here (see snippets from article in June)... at least with someone taking the government to court they will be able to vindicate themselves to the fullest degree? 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394309/Small-family-run-pest-control-firm-won-108m-contract-procure-PPE-frontline-NHS-staff.html

 

Revealed: Small family-run pest control firm with just 16 staff won £108MILLION contract to procure PPE for frontline NHS staff

 

  • PestFix, which has 16 employees, was awarded a £108million contract in April
  • Founder Dan England said that his firm may have been quicker to respond to the call for help 
  • The Government has spent £340million securing PPE since the virus outbreak

 

Normally PestFix supplies customers with supplies for pest control but received the £108million contract after responding to the Government’s call for help.

 

PestFix founder Dan England said: ‘Some of the bigger players that would normally be supplying this were perhaps not as quick to react or as dynamic.’

 

PestFix has no external investors and is instead owned by the England family, being run by brothers Dan and Matt England.

 

The company offers a range of products that help deal with most commonly found pests such as birds, rodents, insects and animals.

 

 

The company, based in Littlehampton, West Sussex, also sells shooting accessories such as air gun pellets, shooting safety glasses, gun lamps and cases for guns.

 

The contract awarded by the government was for the supply of PPE and on their website they offer 21 different PPE products.

 

In February, the company reportedly distanced itself from Cambridge University after BBC presenter Chris Packham spoke out against the university over using netting to cover trees and prevent birds from nesting.

 

The company provided the nets but said they disapproved of how they had been used by Cambridge.

It's only fishy if you've got a baited hook out. Many companies offered to provide PPE during the early stages, many of which don't produce any PPE is this country at all. It's all about can you fulfil the contract. This tiny pest control company obviously can, or at least they could, because they provided millions of pieces of PPE for the price the government was asking, in the time frame they were provided. You don't need to be a massive business to be a middle man if you've got the right contacts who can provide supplies, which these guys clearly have. I'd say that's why they've been provided additional contracts, because they did excellently with the first one. 

 

Not sure why people are so desperate to drag this company down, when I've seen zero evidence that says they've a) done anything dodgy or b) not provided what they were tasked with. From everything I've seen, they've done an excellent job. I must be missing something. 

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24 minutes ago, ktfox59 said:

How on earth did we get to 654 pages talking about covid19?

I dunno, odd that. Must be something to do with an emergent novel highly infectious virus and a resultant global pandemic that has devastated global economics?

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