Coronavirus Thread

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Hate to break it to you but no clothing is 'human'. Back to the jungle with you fella

Bit racist

[Stivo]

45 minutes ago, Fktf said:

I think you're closer to this field than me, so its great to tell people this. Nice to know that we're working with techniques we already understand.

 

Part of my praise also comes from the way we've funded so many vaccines also. If more than 1 works, we'll have a range of options to use.

You might find this ft article about vaccines interesting

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e5012891-58da-4a4f-8a05-182adf3ba0e2

[UniFox21]

59 minutes ago, Fktf said:

I think you're closer to this field than me, so its great to tell people this. Nice to know that we're working with techniques we already understand.

 

Part of my praise also comes from the way we've funded so many vaccines also. If more than 1 works, we'll have a range of options to use.

I'd done a few modules at University on this topic which seem to have stuck in. 

 

It is rather efficient that we've funded various different attempts to increase our chances of finding a successful one. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Harrydc said:

I people can't see how wrong this would be then I give up. 

I didn't say it wouldn't be questionable, but there'd be nothing to stop them making such an offer, and it'd certainly prompt a few people to sign up

 

Have I missed something in the last few years? I haven't had a vaccination since school, probably 20 years ago, but no one gave a shit back then. You don't want polio or MMR? Have a jab. Takes a matter of seconds, and then it's done. Provided the vaccine is proven safe, which is what the whole point of these trials is for, just have it.

 

The anti-vax crowd seems to have absolutely grown out of control in recent years, and from what little I've taken in from conspiracy theorists* the main problems are that Bill Gates wants to own the world and there was a couple of unsubstantiated claims that kids have developed autism as a result of their vaccines in the last couple of years. Couldn't possibly be coincidence or just a problem which wasn't diagnosed prior to them having the vaccine.

 

*I find largely that the kind of people against vaccines are the same people that can't comprehend a man setting foot on the moon, with beliefs that humans aren't responsible for any technological inventions that we use every day, that the queen REALLY is a lizard, and that the earth is in fact flat. Needless to say as soon as this kind of person starts talking about their "facts" I usually just start thinking about tits or funny moments from old Simpsons episodes.

[Strokes]

3 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

I didn't say it wouldn't be questionable, but there'd be nothing to stop them making such an offer, and it'd certainly prompt a few people to sign up

 

Have I missed something in the last few years? I haven't had a vaccination since school, probably 20 years ago, but no one gave a shit back then. You don't want polio or MMR? Have a jab. Takes a matter of seconds, and then it's done. Provided the vaccine is proven safe, which is what the whole point of these trials is for, just have it.

 

The anti-vax crowd seems to have absolutely grown out of control in recent years, and from what little I've taken in from conspiracy theorists* the main problems are that Bill Gates wants to own the world and there was a couple of unsubstantiated claims that kids have developed autism as a result of their vaccines in the last couple of years. Couldn't possibly be coincidence or just a problem which wasn't diagnosed prior to them having the vaccine.

 

*I find largely that the kind of people against vaccines are the same people that can't comprehend a man setting foot on the moon, with beliefs that humans aren't responsible for any technological inventions that we use every day, that the queen REALLY is a lizard, and that the earth is in fact flat. Needless to say as soon as this kind of person starts talking about their "facts" I usually just start thinking about tits or funny moments from old Simpsons episodes.

I’m not anti-vax per se, my kids have had full vaccinations, I’ve had them as far as I’m aware. I’d still be very cautious about this vaccination, as I worry it will be rushed because of the consequences of the virus. 
Honestly I do welcome a vaccine but it’s quite frightening at the same time.

[Paninistickers]

Surely the vaccine will be dished out to the elderly and the ill, like the flu jab? 

 

Anyone under 60, under 70 even,  who's reasonably fit is unlikely to end up in hospital....

 

My point is, the vaccine doest need 60%- 80% take up ....just enough take to stop hospital admissions

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

4 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I’m not anti-vax per se, my kids have had full vaccinations, I’ve had them as far as I’m aware. I’d still be very cautious about this vaccination, as I worry it will be rushed because of the consequences of the virus. 
Honestly I do welcome a vaccine but it’s quite frightening at the same time.

I would probably be a little apprehensive too, but I have faith that those in charge wouldn't make it available without good testing, otherwise there could be another Thalidomide situation on our hands - and I expect potential lawsuits from what could be any number of victims would mean a vaccine is not wheeled out en masse until they are sure that any side effects are not debilitating.

 

I presume much larger trials between now and next year will give us a better insight into what (short-term) side effects are. In the meantime though the amount of cases of healthy people in their 20s and 30s suffering long-COVID is quite alarming, so I guess there's risk either way. 

[whoareyaaa]

2 hours ago, Harrydc said:

It's not human. I like to see people when I'm speaking to them, and if the pandemic is over then there is zero need for them. We didn't use them before, so why use them after. 

the gov (elite) are taking away our identity and freedom by making people wear masks along with all the other shit they have made us do.

 

had enough of it now it doesn't add up imo.

[Innovindil]

23 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

the gov (elite) are taking away our identity and freedom by making people wear masks along with all the other shit they have made us do.

 

had enough of it now it doesn't add up imo.

It's a global conspiracy I tell you!

[Alf Bentley]

5 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

It's a global conspiracy I tell you!

 

......led by Elvis while riding Shergar across the Moon.

 

He retreated there with the connivance of the Bilderburg Group after shooting Kennedy from the grassy knoll and melting the girders in the Twin Towers.

 

Then again, he might have used 5G technology to fake his moon landing..... 

[ajthefox]

I get why people might be worried about incremental removal of our freedoms and the potential knock-on effects of small changes in the now, but I'm really struggling to see mask wearing in this context. It's really not a big deal.

[Tuna]

On Vaccines, there is what, 70 million people in the UK, what capacity would you think the country would have for mass vaccinations in the event of a vaccine? 500,000 a week? That would take about 3 years to vaccinate the whole of the UK.

[SpacedX]

43 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

the gov (elite) are taking away our identity and freedom by making people wear masks along with all the other shit they have made us do.

 

had enough of it now it doesn't add up imo.

In this day and age, It's honestly impossible to tell whether this is satire or actually a genuine post. 

[Vlad the Fox]

3 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

Hate to break it to you but no clothing is 'human'. Back to the jungle with you fella

I’d quite happily walk around naked. I’d still wear a mask though. Over my face of course.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Similar, but each flu strain is novel and just a recombination of different antigens (H and N i believe). So each vaccine is novel in that sense. 

This covid virus isn't fully novel as there are previous known strains etc, but in this context you are partially correct and it has been more difficult. 

Surely getting a vaccine for a coronavirus would be quite some achievement? I thought this hasn’t been done up to now?

[st albans fox]

Maybe I’ve been exposed or maybe I haven’t. ......

 

[UniFox21]

23 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Surely getting a vaccine for a coronavirus would be quite some achievement? I thought this hasn’t been done up to now?

For sure it is, I'm not sure if it has been done before given SARS doesn't have one.

But was just trying to get across that vaccine development for a virus is done yearly to decent success level with the flu.

[Lionator]

55 minutes ago, Tuna said:

On Vaccines, there is what, 70 million people in the UK, what capacity would you think the country would have for mass vaccinations in the event of a vaccine? 500,000 a week? That would take about 3 years to vaccinate the whole of the UK.

The aim will be to stop people being hospitalised and dying, not catching covid. So given that under 50's generally don't get hospitalised and die from covid, they may never need vaccinating, especially if we find treatments for 'long covid'. Which leaves roughly 40% of the population at risk who do need vaccinating. 

 

I think Astra Zeneca alone were looking at least 2 billion doses by the end of 2021 for worldwide use, and they're just one of many who will have created vaccines by the end of 2021. So capacity is not going to be an issue. It's just the logistics which will be tricky.

[Lionator]

3 hours ago, Fktf said:

I take your point, but I think there is something a little more special about developing something for a novel virus?

From reading, the scientists at Oxford were p*ssing about with an experimental MERS vaccine in case it was ever needed, but obviously never got the funding to trial it as it was never required. So once SARS 2 came out, they just altered one or two things and it was good to go into trials. It wasn't just magicked out of the air, the vaccine technology they use has existed for a good while.

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

On Vaccines, there is what, 70 million people in the UK, what capacity would you think the country would have for mass vaccinations in the event of a vaccine? 500,000 a week? That would take about 3 years to vaccinate the whole of the UK.

Think about the annual influenza jab. In the 2019-20 season 14 million people in the UK were vaccinated. Although this is about 50% effective it significantly reduces clinical impact. It is a distinct possibility that Covid-19 will also become endemic. 

[UniFox21]

27 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Think about the annual influenza jab. In the 2019-20 season 14 million people in the UK were vaccinated. Although this is about 50% effective it significantly reduces clinical impact. It is a distinct possibility that Covid-19 will also become endemic. 

I'd be interested as to how they'd roll out the vaccine. I'd assume would be the at risk categories first: so elderly, those with conditions etc? Then begin into the lower risk groups 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

I'd be interested as to how they'd roll out the vaccine. I'd assume would be the at risk categories first: so elderly, those with conditions etc? Then begin into the lower risk groups 

Yeah I think so. We won't need 70 million people given the vaccine, you'd probably only need 5-10 million or so and it would make a massive difference. It's great news that they think they'll have one though, hopefully it comes through and it gives us something to aim for.

 

Basically if you're young, fit and healthy, you won't be the guinea pig for the vaccine

[Lionator]

8 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Yeah I think so. We won't need 70 million people given the vaccine, you'd probably only need 5-10 million or so and it would make a massive difference. It's great news that they think they'll have one though, hopefully it comes through and it gives us something to aim for.

 

Basically if you're young, fit and healthy, you won't be the guinea pig for the vaccine

It’s likely young people would only need one jab whereas over 50’s will need a booster. 

[SpacedX]

13 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I'd be interested as to how they'd roll out the vaccine. I'd assume would be the at risk categories first: so elderly, those with conditions etc? Then begin into the lower risk groups 

I would expect so. 

[LCFCCHRIS]

Anyone who's had this know how long the fever normally lasts? 

 

The sudden loss of taste is very obvious. Went from fine, to no taste in a couple of hours, with no blocked or runny nose. Doesn't feel like when you have a cold.