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15 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

On BR.... he's taking our club places it has never been - on what basis do you not rate him?

He has arrived on the foundation build before him started with the Raineri. No sir he hasn't created this from scratch by himself.

The squad at the moment is the best we ever had and I strongly believe he doesn't/couldn't get the best out of it.

Our players can match any footballers plays for so called top 6 clubs.

That's what I believe as an ex pro football player and A licence qualified coach.

As I said we all have  different opinions.

 

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8 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

He has arrived on the foundation build before him started with the Raineri. No sir he hasn't created this from scratch by himself.

The squad at the moment is the best we ever had and I strongly believe he doesn't/couldn't get the best out of it.

Our players can match any footballers plays for so called top 6 clubs.

That's what I believe as an ex pro football player and A licence qualified coach.

As I said we all have  different opinions.

 

The foundation totally messed up by all his predecessors, you mean? Opinions are all very well - and congrats on being an ex-pro etc, but Paul Merson is an ex pro, and Tim Sherwood has managed a Premier league team. That you are a qualified coach is very exciting, but makes you prone to professional jealousy. Your argument is based on a very slanted way of looking at the facts.

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8 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

He has arrived on the foundation build before him started with the Raineri. No sir he hasn't created this from scratch by himself.

The squad at the moment is the best we ever had and I strongly believe he doesn't/couldn't get the best out of it.

Our players can match any footballers plays for so called top 6 clubs.

That's what I believe as an ex pro football player and A licence qualified coach.

As I said we all have  different opinions.

 

Well thats wrong for a start. Ranieri used the foundation laid by Pearson, after a season he started to pull it apart and we fell apart. Every manager comes in on the back of another. Rodgers is coming in on the back of Puel, who signed a lot of this team, but got nowhere near the same quality out of them. The proof is in the league table, apart from from title winning season we have never finished as high as we have under Rodgers, and may improve on the that again this year. Hes clearly taking the club in the right direction.

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4 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Nope I saw what I needed to see in the second half of the last season.

I saw a man standing on the side of the pitch looking confused, had no idea and almost suffering panic attack week in week out back in then.

I saw an incompetent football Manager.

Sitting 3rd in the table with an incompetent football manager....

 

God knowns what you thought of Pearson and puel then.

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16 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

That's what I believe as an ex pro football player and A licence qualified coach.

Your beliefs are merely that...and are indisputably incorrect if you think that "the foundations were built by Ranieri".

 

The rest is simply appeal to (your own) authority and utterly worthless. 

 

As I have pointed out before, Andrew Wakefield was a physician and academic. So what?  

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5 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Nope I saw what I needed to see in the second half of the last season.

I saw a man standing on the side of the pitch looking confused, had no idea and almost suffering panic attack week in week out back in then.

I saw an incompetent football Manager and still do.

Mate I love the club but not the coach. Don't rate him and ever will. This is my opinion and just leave it to that.

Players and Coaches comes and goes but LCFC here for forever.

 

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18 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Well thats wrong for a start. Ranieri used the foundation laid by Pearson, after a season he started to pull it apart and we fell apart. Every manager comes in on the back of another. Rodgers is coming in on the back of Puel, who signed a lot of this team, but got nowhere near the same quality out of them. The proof is in the league table, apart from from title winning season we have never finished as high as we have under Rodgers, and may improve on the that again this year. Hes clearly taking the club in the right direction.

We have finished second, third and fourth.

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8 minutes ago, murphy said:

We have finished second, third and fourth.

Don't be pedantic. We are talking about the recent set of managers and them building on the last one. I don't think 1929 has had any effect on Ranieri, Shakespeare, Puel or Rodgers.

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33 minutes ago, Greyowl said:

Ricardo and his positions are quite unrelated. One is an original right-footed right back the other is an introverted left-footed right winger.

Well to the forum Greyowl. 
 

I believe they are related, in that Ricardo was originally a right winger before moving to a full back.
 

If the club saw potential to move him into the right sided midfield / winger slot, with JJ, Thomas, Castagne and Amartey at the club for full back options, then Under was potentially cover for his impending return, or potentially if it didn’t work. With his defensive ability as well, he can protect the right side and provides that improved work rate that modern football demands. 
 

I personally think Ricardo is wasted in a more advanced role, as he nullifies his own space from what we’ve seen so far. Some of that could be him getting back up to speed. 
 

Under is a strange one, as he’s shown flashes of brilliance, similar to Gray. He ticks a lot of the boxes for what we actually need in a player. It just hasn’t worked so far. We still have time between now and the end of the season. The fact that people are even debating this, proves that the jury is still out. 
 

If he comes good, we have a decent option to buy. I’d it doesn’t, we chat lose and go again next season. Whether he’d want to come here permanently is another question. 
 

It’s as much about the player having ability, football intelligence, fitness, work rate, teamwork, as it is about them being in the right place, at the right time. 
 

We can all point to players that have failed at certain clubs then reinvigorate themselves elsewhere. You only need to look at someone like Lukaku at Inter. Brilliant for them since joining. His last 12 months at Manchester United he was classed as overweight and they wanted him gone. It was diagnosed quite quickly that he had a stomach issue and he’s shed weight, got himself fitter and he’s now back to the player he was at WBA / Everton. 

 

Buying players is a gamble. This loan with a view to buy is a trial scheme that has largely gone well so far. 

Huth - win

Dragovic - bin

Youri - win

Bennett - bin

Under - TBC

 

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16 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Don't be pedantic. We are talking about the recent set of managers and them building on the last one. I don't think 1929 has had any effect on Ranieri, Shakespeare, Puel or Rodgers.

OK fair enough, I skimmed through and missed the context and I am an incorrigible pedant.  

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37 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Nope I saw what I needed to see in the second half of the last season.

I saw a man standing on the side of the pitch looking confused, had no idea and almost suffering panic attack week in week out back in then.

I saw an incompetent football Manager.

You're making the same mistake so many make - fitting what you saw to fit your particular line of argument. 

 

By the way, I didn't see much of you back then, what suddenly attracted you to Leicester (other than the incompetent manager)? 

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1 minute ago, murphy said:

OK fair enough, I skimmed through and missed the context and I am incorrigible pedant.  Just seems a bit of a narrow window of time to make your point which is why I probably misunderstood.

No worries. The original post claims Rodgers is building on Ranieri, and wasn't moving us forward. I'm aware we've had better finishes than 5th in the past, but in the context of recent history, and infact the premier league era, we've never been better placed other than 2016. So that's all it was about, Rodgers is clearly moving in the right direction.

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Mistakes are mine ... Obviously you are not a believer of different voices and not understanding my different individuals different opinions sentiment.

You are more than welcome go through LCFC fans forum records to question my loyalty if it's gonna make you feel happy. Personality I recommend yoga or even stamp collections for better hobbies.

Don't like the guy and don't believe the guy. Simple is that ....

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Just now, kiwiturk said:

Mistakes are mine ... Obviously you are not a believer of different voices and not understanding my different individuals different opinions sentiment.

You are more than welcome go through LCFC fans forum records to question my loyalty if it's gonna make you feel happy. Personality I recommend yoga or even stamp collections for better hobbies.

Don't like the guy and don't believe the guy. Simple is that ....

 

Just now, Sly said:

Well to the forum Greyowl. 
 

I believe they are related, in that Ricardo was originally a right winger before moving to a full back.
 

If the club saw potential to move him into the right sided midfield / winger slot, with JJ, Thomas, Castagne and Amartey at the club for full back options, then Under was potentially cover for his impending return, or potentially if it didn’t work. With his defensive ability as well, he can protect the right side and provides that improved work rate that modern football demands. 
 

I personally think Ricardo is wasted in a more advanced role, as he nullifies his own space from what we’ve seen so far. Some of that could be him getting back up to speed. 
 

Under is a strange one, as he’s shown flashes of brilliance, similar to Gray. He ticks a lot of the boxes for what we actually need in a player. It just hasn’t worked so far. We still have time between now and the end of the season. The fact that people are even debating this, proves that the jury is still out. 
 

If he comes good, we have a decent option to buy. I’d it doesn’t, we chat lose and go again next season. Whether he’d want to come here permanently is another question. 
 

It’s as much about the player having ability, football intelligence, fitness, work rate, teamwork, as it is about them being in the right place, at the right time. 
 

We can all point to players that have failed at certain clubs then reinvigorate themselves elsewhere. You only need to look at someone like Lukaku at Inter. Brilliant for them since joining. His last 12 months at Manchester United he was classed as overweight and they wanted him gone. It was diagnosed quite quickly that he had a stomach issue and he’s shed weight, got himself fitter and he’s now back to the player he was at WBA / Everton. 

 

Buying players is a gamble. This loan with a view to buy is a trial scheme that has largely gone well so far. 

Huth - win

Dragovic - bin

Youri - win

Bennett - bin

Under - TBC

 

Thanks for the detailed response. I agree most part of it. But I am still  convinced Under was a reinforcement to Ayoze and Albrighton who were both right footed and played righ wing. Because we didnt have an introverted left-footed right wing which became the norm in modern soccer, Under was thought  a good choice who could cut inside and shoot. His debut was quite impressing though, he played a few matches quite in the territory of Man of the Match (in my perpective).But Rodger knows the best. 

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33 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Mistakes are mine ... Obviously you are not a believer of different voices and not understanding my different individuals different opinions sentiment.

You are more than welcome go through LCFC fans forum records to question my loyalty if it's gonna make you feel happy. Personality I recommend yoga or even stamp collections for better hobbies.

Don't like the guy and don't believe the guy. Simple is that ....

Assuming this is a response to me - I'm all for difference of opinion. But I also know the difference between an opinion based on evidence and one based on personal prejudice. As for the rest, you're a recent convert (if that's what you are) and you'll have to forgive me being sceptical as to your motives.

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18 minutes ago, Greyowl said:

 

Thanks for the detailed response. I agree most part of it. But I am still  convinced Under was a reinforcement to Ayoze and Albrighton who were both right footed and played righ wing. Because we didnt have an introverted left-footed right wing which became the norm in modern soccer, Under was thought  a good choice who could cut inside and shoot. His debut was quite impressing though, he played a few matches quite in the territory of Man of the Match (in my perpective).But Rodger knows the best. 

Yes, it’s those flashes that we want to see more of. 
 

In fairness, just reflecting on player growth trajectory, has he actually been more productive than Harvey Barnes, when he first broke into the team. I’d say he has. So maybe he is someone we could nurture. Players develop differently. 

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8 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Assuming this is a response to me - I'm all for difference of opinion. But I also know the difference between an opinion based on evidence and one based on personal prejudice. As for the rest, you're a recent convert (if that's what you are) and you'll have to forgive me being sceptical as to your motives.

No. I can assure that I'm not a recent convert and have been supporting the Foxes since Muzzy Izzet times.

But I have to admit that ( honesty is the best policy) I've joined this forum only 2 years ago because  I didn't even know it was existed also didn't think to do that before. Fans forum is a new concept for me.

Turkish or not, it is all about LCFC for me and my club comes first but repeating again don't rate BR. Sorry, just can't admit something I don't believe.

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22 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

No. I can assure that I'm not a recent convert and have been supporting the Foxes since Muzzy Izzet times.

But I have to admit that ( honesty is the best policy) I've joined this forum only 2 years ago because  I didn't even know it was existed also didn't think to do that before. Fans forum is a new concept for me.

Turkish or not, it is all about LCFC for me and my club comes first but repeating again don't rate BR. Sorry, just can't admit something I don't believe.

Taking this at face value, fair enough.

 

Tell me though - and perhaps we should talk about this elsewhere, as this thread is meant to be about Cenghis - of all the Leicester managers we've had since you were a fan (MO'N onwards), perhaps you could tell me which amongst them you rate higher, and why.

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17 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Taking this at face value, fair enough.

 

Tell me though - and perhaps we should talk about this elsewhere, as this thread is meant to be about Cenghis - of all the Leicester managers we've had since you were a fan (MO'N onwards), perhaps you could tell me which amongst them you rate higher, and why.

Ok, here is the snapshot,

 

 

-Martin O'Neill , because he achieved so much with very limited resources .

- I liked Puel even he had a dismal record. He always encouraged brave attacking football.

 

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4 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Ok, here is the snapshot,

 

-Nigel Pearson, because he put us in EPL 

-Martin O'Neill , because he achieved so much with very limited resources .

- I liked Puel even he had a dismal record. He always encouraged brave attacking football.

 

Ok, I'm out. I'm afraid I just don't believe you.

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11 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Ok, here is the snapshot,

 

 

-Martin O'Neill , because he achieved so much with very limited resources .

- I liked Puel even he had a dismal record. He always encouraged brave attacking football.

 

How can you rate Puel for playing “brave attacking football” but not rate Rodgers? We play a lot bolder under Brendan than we did under Puel. 
 

If you’re not trolling then I feel for you. If you are trolling, simple question - why?

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3 hours ago, kiwiturk said:

Haha. Never say never mate.

I used to be a professional and played in 2 countries and capped twice in my junior years.

I have an also A grade coaching licence which allows me to coach any team around the world. But my active football days is over. 

About the BR......

I don't rate him. We are all different individuals with the different opinions. 

Cengiz is finito here . Good riddance to him.

5000/1 seems reasonable odds.

 

 

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