"Project Big Picture"

[Footballwipe 1,958]

The more I think about it, the more some bits rankle with me as outright blackmail.

 

Why can't the implement £20 cap, away travel subsidy and safe standing NOW? Why? Someone give me a rational reason as to what is stopping them now? This is a good idea, but it's being wrapped around a blatant power grab by the top six, with the most comfortable long-serving three from the PL being their patsies. This alone should tell you the disdain with which fans are being treated here. Here's something we've wanted for a while and we can have it. HOORAY. But we have to hand control over to six football clubs to get it...

 

I don't think anyone can deny that there are positive initiatives, but the consequences are so horrible to think about. How about the "Big six" don't like 18 PL teams in the future. 16 it is. Maybe that's too many, down to 14 we go. Who can stop them?

 

Five years time maybe they're not so keen with the sweeteners they offered to the EFL. How about they want 60% of the TV revenue to themselves. After all, they're the only ones who need to vote for it. It just smacks to me that if this went through, those who aren't top six teams who pushed it through would be looking on in horror years down the line as they slowly change it for their own good.

 

Any club that votes for this is voting away the 'democracy' that exists within the PL at the moment. They shouldn't hide behind the good initiatives that they could introduce now.

[UHDrive 638]

19 hours ago, UHDrive said:

If this does go through then lcfc need to knuckle down and keep investing in players and infrastructure so as to be ready to chase for the expanded CL in 2024/25.

If this happens then the knock on effects will destroy the prestige of both non league and football league football and will significantly harm the status of the premier league as the best in the world.

 

The best of the rest in the PL need to knock this out of the ball park quickly so as to avoid "them" pushing this proposal any further.

[Dahnsouff 5,189]

4 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

If this happens then the knock on effects will destroy the prestige of both non league and football league football and will significantly harm the status of the premier league as the best in the world.

 

The best of the rest in the PL need to knock this out of the ball park quickly so as to avoid "them" pushing this proposal any further.

If this happens we will be marginalised and despatched back to the Championship quick sharp. Hate to be all RAWK/victim like, but this is what will happen, further solidified by our recent outlier position on the PPTV robbery.

[Corky 12,814]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

So what would this need to get voted through exactly. Presumably the premier league would have to vote and agree on it, meaning 14 votes needed there as a starting point. 

 

The have the "big 5" & Spurs. So they need to get 8 more votes. 

 

Everton have aspirations of being a top team again and having never been relegated, I guess they will say yes.

The Dildo brothers will be seduced by having the power of being in the gang of 9, so they will say yes. 

 

So they need 6 more votes, who threatened with relegation would vote for no parachute payments and a smaller league? Can't see them getting the votes. 

I don't see what Everton really gain from it. They'll be in a "special status" group of nine but outside the Big Six and a vote will only need six to pass so if the Big Six want something, they'll get it. Everton might have a takeover vetoed at some point, potentially. From having an equal vote out of 20, they'll have a weaker vote from 9.

 

This really has been a dreadful week PR wise for the game. The Man City bloke with his B team nonsense, the PPV announcement and now this. At least we now know what the big clubs want and they've not even been subtle about it.

[Glorious Leicester Fan 95]

The most interesting statement was from the government. A government battle with the ‘top six’ would be a wonderful diversion tactic from its current woes. 

 

I don’t accept the ‘you ask for more than you want’ argument. From what I’ve read, not one proposal benefits the remaining PL clubs. Therefore, why would they vote for any changes? Realistically, what can the ‘big six’ actually do? I suppose they could break away join a super league. But they would face Government intervention and eventually lose their attraction to a more competitive league somewhere in the world.

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

[Babylon 28,413]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

I don't see what Everton really gain from it. They'll be in a "special status" group of nine but outside the Big Six and a vote will only need six to pass so if the Big Six want something, they'll get it. Everton might have a takeover vetoed at some point, potentially. From having an equal vote out of 20, they'll have a weaker vote from 9.

 

This really has been a dreadful week PR wise for the game. The Man City bloke with his B team nonsense, the PPV announcement and now this. At least we now know what the big clubs want and they've not even been subtle about it.

They don't need a takeover, Usmanov is already running things with his money. Without that I have no doubt hey were a no, but I could see them offering support for it with him there. 

[Corky 12,814]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

They don't need a takeover, Usmanov is already running things with his money. Without that I have no doubt hey were a no, but I could see them offering support for it with him there. 

Not now, but who is to say what happens a couple of years down the line? Especially with a new stadium on the horizon. Reading their forum, their fans are livid at this and understandably so.

[AndyK 26]

As a Manchester City fan, the general reaction to this from our fans is that it appalling. Bribing the Football League in a wrapping of utter control of the PL by US owners. It's quite dreadful, and not at all a surprise that Rick Parry is championing it - the next Football League meeting should be interesting.

The disrespect by excluding Leicester who've won the league more recently than most of the Nine is staggering. Your owner comes from the wrong country, so you're not invited in.

What's that? a Big Gas Russian wants to buy your club? No, we don't fancy the extra competition and say no. Gobsmacking in the bluntness they've put forward.

 

Samuel in the Mail and Burt in the Telegraph have gone after this hard, which is good to see. Sky/BT can see their cash cow being squirrelled away with 8 matches per club on club channels.

 

If the PL want to help the Football League, they just could do it. They don't need to screw everything to do so, and does anybody trust six PL clubs not to get together and stitch something else up?

[Babylon 28,413]

15 minutes ago, Corky said:

Not now, but who is to say what happens a couple of years down the line? Especially with a new stadium on the horizon. Reading their forum, their fans are livid at this and understandably so.

I know they as are most clubs fans from what I’ve seen, but the cash grab will

be enticing for their owners. They see themselves as big 6/7 and the extra money going for teams who finish higher up will appeal. They will want to be in on a carve up IMO.
 

[demon_dog 100]

It's patently obvious that fans outside of the so called big six are outraged at this idea. ( I haven't checked their forums). 

It's the usual sounds good on paper until you study the reality of it. 

It's Hans Christian Anderson stuff. 

For instance we'll cap away fans price to £20, in reality, we'll put up home ticket prices by £10.

Play off, the 3,4,5, placed teams in the Championship play the 16 placed team in the Premiership. Odds clearly favour the PL team. 

The other clubs must do as we say, while we get richer with your help. 

It's a pity fans aren't allowed into the stadiums, the so called big six would soon be aware of the anger this proposal has caused. 

 

 

 

[Lako42 1,147]

This is the final nail in the coffin.

 

The fans bending over and taking everything because of blind loyalty and pure addiction is partly what has led us to this situation. We all moan and then keep lapping it up.

 

What I loved has gone, this is just a very obvious declaration from the big clubs that they don't give a ****.

[Foxin_Mad 671]

To be honest let the big 6 go fook off to some Super League franchise.

 

The Premier League would be miles more entertaining with the possibility that ANY club could win it. That would be far more entertaining than some borefest where 2 big six teams are tactically nulifying each other. 

 

There are some fantastic big historical clubs in the Championship that could be Promoted to fill the gaps. 

[davieG 17,041]

So the clubs not in the 9 are expected to vote too....

 

Lose their vote and hand over power to a 6.

Lose 2 of their 11

Stump up cash for the FL

Lose one of the few Trophies they realistic have a chance of winning and a place in the Europa league (although I guess we'll see all but the relegated teams in the expanded Euro Comps).

 

They don't seem to have offered the rest of the PL much to entice them.

 

[HighPeakFox 10,442]

3 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

This is the final nail in the coffin.

 

The fans bending over and taking everything because of blind loyalty and pure addiction is partly what has led us to this situation. We all moan and then keep lapping it up.

 

What I loved has gone, this is just a very obvious declaration from the big clubs that they don't give a ****.

I am afraid that you are right.

[AndyK 26]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

So the clubs not in the 9 are expected to vote too....

 

Lose their vote and hand over power to a 6.

Lose 2 of their 11

Stump up cash for the FL

Lose one of the few Trophies they realistic have a chance of winning and a place in the Europa league (although I guess we'll see all but the relegated teams in the expanded Euro Comps).

 

They don't seem to have offered the rest of the PL much to entice them.

 

That's how I see it - I can't see why Southampton/West Ham would support it when they could easily be in a relegation fight (more than the others). If the other 11 don't vote against it, they're all stupid.

 

I would really like to know how much my club knew about this - there only seems to be broad inference that they did, but it's also reported as LFC/MU-only.

 

I suspect this is a posturing document which will shortly be claimed as only a draft and blue sky thinking.

[Blue Fox 72 2,186]

8 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

To be honest let the big 6 go fook off to some Super League franchise.

 

The Premier League would be miles more entertaining with the possibility that ANY club could win it. That would be far more entertaining than some borefest where 2 big six teams are tactically nulifying each other. 

 

There are some fantastic big historical clubs in the Championship that could be Promoted to fill the gaps. 

But ANY club did win it 4 years ago and the 'big 6' didn't like it.

 

The proposals are based on the greed and self interest of the 'big 6' and they are more or less blackmailing the EFL clubs as they know they are desperate. 

[Oxfordfox83 907]

Mods, can we merge this thread with “Absolute cvnts of our time”.

[twister 609]

they started this deal cause the lads won the league

 

in 2017 this was created

 

the only answer once the cowards in the efl swallow this is mass protests by fans on mass, if we are going to go down go down swinging against the greed.

[st albans fox 8,296]

not heard a lot of talk about the future proposal to give 25% of the tv money to the EFL.  that's very attractive to the game in general and would be welcomed by govt who have demanded that the PL sort out an effective 'drip down'. HOWEVER, let think about what that means …….. all clubs basic annual tv money take reduces from 120m to 90m …………….that's far better for the top six to cope with than the other 14 and perpetuates the growing gap between them and the rest 

[jeffschlupp 1,599]

The 'big six' are doing what any business should try to do when they're on top and try and protect their long-term security in taking the big revenues and prize money. That's nothing new, and isn't dissimilar to the way King Power probably used a few brown envelopes and dodgy dealings with politicians to ensure they secured another decade of monopoly on duty-free in Thailand.

 

But when I say long-term I mean medium-term. You are not going to keep people watching in the long-run if the same bloody teams win it every year. 2015-16 got on the front pages, not just the back pages. Football arguably never had such a wide reach, even people who couldn't even tell you who Lionel Messi was knew about Leicester in 2016. The Premier League would be in danger of going down an F1-style route - if you corner off the market and make success so dependent on financial backing (or more specifically in F1, the quality of the car over the quality of the driver) then your product is significantly worse for it. 

 

I can see them getting more CL games from 2024 - probably four groups of eight or something similar. If you're playing 7 or 14 group stage games then you're going to need to bin the League Cup (five rounds for European teams) and probably cut the PL to 18 teams (cuts a further four games from the calendar). I can see both of those happening, and neither would be that significant.

 

But the 'other 14' can't stand to lose voting control in the PL. It would be a disaster before long.

[twister 609]

2 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

The 'big six' are doing what any business should try to do when they're on top and try and protect their long-term security in taking the big revenues and prize money. That's nothing new, and isn't dissimilar to the way King Power probably used a few brown envelopes and dodgy dealings with politicians to ensure they secured another decade of monopoly on duty-free in Thailand.

 

But when I say long-term I mean medium-term. You are not going to keep people watching in the long-run if the same bloody teams win it every year. 2015-16 got on the front pages, not just the back pages. Football arguably never had such a wide reach, even people who couldn't even tell you who Lionel Messi was knew about Leicester in 2016. The Premier League would be in danger of going down an F1-style route - if you corner off the market and make success so dependent on financial backing (or more specifically in F1, the quality of the car over the quality of the driver) then your product is significantly worse for it. 

 

I can see them getting more CL games from 2024 - probably four groups of eight or something similar. If you're playing 7 or 14 group stage games then you're going to need to bin the League Cup (five rounds for European teams) and probably cut the PL to 18 teams (cuts a further four games from the calendar). I can see both of those happening, and neither would be that significant.

 

But the 'other 14' can't stand to lose voting control in the PL. It would be a disaster before long.

I';d prefer if they just ****ed off and formed a super league than this.

[TK95 2,031]

No club should be bigger than its governing body. The FA loses all credibility if this passes through

[Happy Fox 1,693]

Why not expand the premier league? 22 teams would be better? And have a smaller championship? 

 

Scrap the League Cup for a Britain Cup

 

https://theboar.org/2020/04/football-british-cup/

[st albans fox 8,296]

there seems to be a blasé response to this from the football world on the basis that its an empty vessel because 14 PL clubs wont vote for it to go through …... 

[Izzy 22,926]

Good debate between Rick Parry and Simon Jordan on TalkSport now about this.