The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

[Bluearmyfox28]

On 08/09/2023 at 17:57, Matt said:

Totally get you.

 

Never understood it.

 

I get the argument they're "backing themselves to play at the highest level" but there's got to be a level of realism.

 

Kalvin Phillips to Man City, he was never gonna play, Danny Drinkwater to Chelsea, he was never gonna play. (Although somehow Phillips keeps being picked for England. Madness)

 

That's only two examples admittedly but two off the top of my head.

 

The other argument that been made to me is they "wanna win medals" - Fine, but when you've not really had a part in the winning them isn't it all abit hollow?

 

Anyone playing at the top level or even near it, is earning outrageous money, I get more wants more, I get being a footballer is a short career, I also appreciate its easy for me to say from my perspective but even if it was on slightly less money if I had the talent to be playing at that level i'd want to be playing, week in, week out.

 

This is another huge problem in the game, for a player, representing your country is the biggest achievement you can accomplish. Where’s the incentive to move and prove your worth if the manager will select you regardless of how much you play. 
 

It’s a shame because Southgate’s early days he refused to pick players who wasn’t playing for there clubs.

[eblair]

20 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

If Lineker's usual ramblings are anything to go by, this is more from a place of woke virtue seeking than one of calculated football judgement. 

A large part of why you have a football club support is because of Lineker. Wash your mouth out

[TrentFox]

Isn’t there a female head coach at FGR presently? 🤔

Edited 13 September 2023 by TrentFox

[TrentFox]

Ignore that - she was only temporary during the close season. 

[moore_94]

 

[volpeazzurro]

21 hours ago, eblair said:

A large part of why you have a football club support is because of Lineker. Wash your mouth out

Does that mean that I have to agree with everything he says? Utter bollocks, rather like some of his inane virtue seeking ramblings.

Edited 14 September 2023 by volpeazzurro

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Does that mean that I have to agree with everything he says? Utter bollocks, rather like some of his inane virtue seeking ramblings.

Out of interest how do you know? 

[volpeazzurro]

18 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Out of interest how do you know? 

 For one, because whether people agree or disagree with the the government's immigration ideas, whether they agree that there needs to be any or not, to enliken them to 1930s Nazi Germany shows both a lack of knowledge, disrespect and is offensive to the people and families that suffered at the time. That's basic history. 

Edited 14 September 2023 by volpeazzurro

[Finnegan]

23 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

 For one, because whether people agree or disagree with the the government's immigration ideas, whether they agree that there needs to be any or not, to enliken them to 1930s Nazi Germany shows both a lack of knowledge, disrespect and is offensive to the people and families that suffered at the time. That's basic history. 

 

Apparently Gary Lineker's BaSiC HiStOrY is better than yours. 

 

What he actually compared was Braverman's rhetoric and her habit of "othering" (a typical component of fascist propaganda) to the rhetoric used by the Nazi party during the inter war period and it's rise towards power. 

 

He was not wrong. 

 

Maybe if your BaSiC HiStOrY were a little better you would have understood that nuance. 

 

Edited 14 September 2023 by Finnegan

[Footballwipe]

It's like the international break unshackles the right wing nutjobs on here to unleash their nonsense.

 

It's officially over now so if we could go back to normal it'd be much appreciated! Let's get back to being very sensitive and upset everytime someone doesn't say we're amazing. That's what this thread if for.

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

It's like the international break unshackles the right wing nutjobs on here to unleash their nonsense.

 

It's officially over now so if we could go back to normal it'd be much appreciated! Let's get back to being very sensitive and upset everytime someone doesn't say we're amazing. That's what this thread if for.

Are they left footed though ? 

[purpleronnie]

21 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

 For one, because whether people agree or disagree with the the government's immigration ideas, whether they agree that there needs to be any or not, to enliken them to 1930s Nazi Germany shows both a lack of knowledge, disrespect and is offensive to the people and families that suffered at the time. That's basic history. 

I do wonder how many that criticise the tweet actually read it.  What he posted was factually correct, every criticism I have read of it hasn't been.

[ozleicester]

18 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Are they left footed though ? 

Gerrimin!

[Scotch]

On 08/09/2023 at 19:57, Matt said:

Totally get you.

 

Never understood it.

 

I get the argument they're "backing themselves to play at the highest level" but there's got to be a level of realism.

 

Kalvin Phillips to Man City, he was never gonna play, Danny Drinkwater to Chelsea, he was never gonna play. (Although somehow Phillips keeps being picked for England. Madness)

 

That's only two examples admittedly but two off the top of my head.

 

The other argument that been made to me is they "wanna win medals" - Fine, but when you've not really had a part in the winning them isn't it all abit hollow?

 

Anyone playing at the top level or even near it, is earning outrageous money, I get more wants more, I get being a footballer is a short career, I also appreciate its easy for me to say from my perspective but even if it was on slightly less money if I had the talent to be playing at that level i'd want to be playing, week in, week out.

 

The thing is though, I see little difference from what the like of Phillips has done, went to City, training under some of the best coaches in the world, one of the best managers ever, amazing facilities, world class doctors and nutritionists etc whilst making eye- watering money and winning trophies but not playing a lot before being sold to the likes of Fulham where he'll still make good money and resume his career...

 

And...

 

Playing for Fulham week in/week out for years before eventually making that step to Man City at 27/28 and not playing whilst achieving everything I previously stayed. 

 

If anything  his approach is smarter because he's taking everything he can get whilst he can get it knowing the fact he played for Man City will be enough to ensure him a decent club next time and not playing reduces chances of injury. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Apparently Gary Lineker's BaSiC HiStOrY is better than yours. 

 

What he actually compared was Braverman's rhetoric and her habit of "othering" (a typical component of fascist propaganda) to the rhetoric used by the Nazi party during the inter war period and it's rise towards power. 

 

He was not wrong. 

 

Maybe if your BaSiC HiStOrY were a little better you would have understood that nuance. 

 

I know what he was referring to and the rhetoric is completely different in a completely different situation. Absolutely no comparison. 

[eblair]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Apparently Gary Lineker's BaSiC HiStOrY is better than yours. 

 

What he actually compared was Braverman's rhetoric and her habit of "othering" (a typical component of fascist propaganda) to the rhetoric used by the Nazi party during the inter war period and it's rise towards power. 

 

He was not wrong. 

 

Maybe if your BaSiC HiStOrY were a little better you would have understood that nuance. 

 

I like Lineker and am an unashamed proper liberal, I hate government's rhetoric toward migrants. But the tweet was nonsense as Baddiel pointed out here, it does not really work as a comparison and to an extent it also diminishes the horror that was the holocaust.  

 

 

[Finnegan]

8 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I know what he was referring to

 

Literally everybody reading this thread is telling you you apparently don't. 

 

Regardless, I don't care. You can remain in your ignorance, it's not my business. I didn't challenge you for your sakes, you're probably too far gone. 

 

But I'm not comfortable letting you spit obvious misinformation and (whether intentional or not) fascist apologism without correction. Especially when doing do is unfairly attacking a club icon who, quite frankly, we should be delighted is such a vocal human rights advocate in a world where football is becoming increasingly amoral. 

 

I find it extremely depressing how many Leicester fans get upset at Lineker because the Sun and the Mail tell them to. 

 

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, eblair said:

I like Lineker and am an unashamed proper liberal, I hate government's rhetoric toward migrants. But the tweet was nonsense as Baddiel pointed out here, it does not really work as a comparison and to an extent it also diminishes the horror that was the holocaust.  

 

 

 

Look, obviously 1930s Germany was a very different place to 2020s Britain. I'm not really disputing that the context is different. 

 

The point was that the language and idea of "othering" and demonising groups of people to attribute misplaced blame for a nation's (and significantly, let's be honest, it's economy's) problems draws significant parallels. 

 

Nobody, including Lineker, is disputing that othering your own citizens is a further escalation but I'm not sure that's the point. 

 

Afterall, how does it go again? First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out? 

[OntarioFox]

I got sick of coming back to this thread to find a political d**k measuring contest, so I went over to the Southampton boards to see if I could find anything unhinged to post here and get the thread back on track...

 

Nah, they're all actually talking about tactics and the game, and giving us a lot of respect. Boring lot. 

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

I got sick of coming back to this thread to find a political d**k measuring contest, so I went over to the Southampton boards to see if I could find anything unhinged to post here and get the thread back on track...

 

Nah, they're all actually talking about tactics and the game, and giving us a lot of respect. Boring lot. 

 

I mean, we got relegated with a better squad than them, have arguably done better business than them, are above them in the league and we didn't just get hammered five nil. 

 

It would be a bit weird if they weren't being fairly respectful. 

[Bourbon Fox]

On 12/09/2023 at 09:44, RumbleFox said:

Mods, is it possible to ban people for using certain words on this forum?

 

I’m submitting the following list. Anyone using any of these terms receives a lifetime ban:

 

Woke

Snowflake

Tippy tappy bollox

Target man

 

 

I have a long running 'D*nnis W*se as a bannable phrase' campaign, happy to roll it into this.

 

Also those bloody highlights of the Troy Deeney game.

[Bourbon Fox]

2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Are they left footed though ? 

An invirtued right winger?

Edited 14 September 2023 by Bourbon Fox

[st albans fox]

This thread seems to have become derailed …..

[davieG]