Not The Politics Thread.

[ealingfox]

Still got the ABBA party and another 4 events under investigation to go haven't we?

[SecretPro]

Mad that Gordon Brown ended up on his arse for calling a bigoted woman a bigoted women and yet these lot can be guilty of criminal offences, openly lie in Parliament, tax the fook out of the poor while their families pay fook all, write off Billions in fraud and then raise taxes, get Covid so wrong, claim Brexit as a success when there's a 20 mile queue at Dover, cash for honours, second jobs, etc etc and still remain in power and have absolute numpties keep voting for them. 

[urban.spaceman]

17 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Nothing from Bridgen as yet from what I can tell although he's pretty much in the Bojo out brigade.  As for Costa, no doubt he will sing his praises while it continues to suit him.

 

No matter how bad it gets I cannot see S. Leicestershire moving away from blue.  It's a depressing voting system in this country, needs a revamp.

I've lived in Charnwood for every election in my lifetime and my vote has never meant a single thing. Was 47% Tory in 1997 when it was formed and has crept up to 64% in 2019.

 

My MP lives in Pimlico.

[urban.spaceman]

9 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Still got the ABBA party and another 4 events under investigation to go haven't we?

Still hoping for confirmation of that orgy 

[HighPeakFox]

Propaganda is a terrible thing, and when you largely have a power base in cahoots with a media power base, and enough people are convinced that you are the patriotic & economic choice (despite masses of evidence to the contrary), it becomes blindingly obvious (if one is willing to admit it) that many, many people just don't think when they vote.

[Daggers]

34 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Mad that Gordon Brown ended up on his arse for calling a bigoted woman a bigoted women and yet these lot can be guilty of criminal offences, openly lie in Parliament, tax the fook out of the poor while their families pay fook all, write off Billions in fraud and then raise taxes, get Covid so wrong, claim Brexit as a success when there's a 20 mile queue at Dover, cash for honours, second jobs, etc etc and still remain in power and have absolute numpties keep voting for them. 

Yeh but hang on a minute, don’t forget that Diane Abbot once got some numbers wrong. I mean, come on, try to have some balance here and put things in perspective. Clearly chaos under Labour would’ve been much w….

[Smashing-Pumpkin]

Its purely annecdotal, but It seems like everything Boris does wrong makes him go UP in the estimations of the the people who vote for him, because this singles him out as "not one of the elite" or "not a career politician" or something to that effect.

 

Its always oh forget about the thing hes done wrong/lied about again...... x is more important or x absolves him from that. Or whataboutery follows.

 

The fact that theres a war in the Ukraine doesnt mean we all have to forget youre a lying, law breaking arsehole does it? are we allowed to say brexit was an utterly crap idea, "delivered" to absolutely no ones benefit except furthering your career or does that make us unpatriotic?

 

The fact this guy or someone in the same likeness as him will almost certainly win the next election sums up how rubbish politics really is.

[Parafox]

3 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I am lost for words at this point as to how inept Bojo and his government are.

 

Mind you, when you base a lockdown strategy on wildly inaccurate modelling and claim to be "following the science" but then turn a blind eye to it at the top and hope noone notices, I'm not surprised at all.

 

And £50 is taking the **** while in comparison, some people were pilloried for drinking coffee in a park.  Utter disgrace.  I shall not be voting for this clown until he is gone.  

My daughter, with mental health issues and who is a recipient of social benefits, was in a state of complete emotional breakdown in a public place, after months of being restricted by the Gov. She pushed a police officer in the chest, (albeit after drinking), and subsequently got a £300 fine. She will have her ESA reduced until that £300 is paid off. She will now struggle to pay her bills.

I have no words for my contempt after today. OK she broke the law, but she never socialised or went to any kind of social events because she felt it was wrong to do so. Her penalty seems excessive given her mitigating circumstances and the way those making the rules she abided by at the time, behaved. 

 

Edited 12 April 2022 by Parafox

[Mark_w]

21 minutes ago, Smashing-Pumpkin said:

The fact this guy or someone in the same likeness as him will almost certainly win the next election sums up how rubbish politics really is.

There are a lot of flaws with our system, and a lot of awful politicians (in fact being awful is a prerequisite to be in the current government). But it's worth remembering that in the vast majority of existing political systems we would never have heard this happened, and would never have the chance to back any alternative. The British electorate has made an awful lot of poor decisions to get us to this point, but we still have a pretty strong system and a reasonable number of politicians who are interested in helping people, they just sadly aren't in a position to do much of that right now.

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

...but we still have a pretty strong system...

I'd argue that the Russian/Chinese influence, Brexit lies, and this shambolic administration being elected is pretty clear evidence that we don't.

 

We have a situation where most constituencies are resolutely going to return the same party whatever, a sizeable section of the electorate who have become obsessed with the footballification of politics, and a tranche of the public who are now completely disenfranchised - all in all, a corrupt, weak, and wholly broken system.

 

The MPs I deal with from all parties on a weekly basis are bereft. None of this is what they came into politics for. Those in charge are so weak, so short sighted, they have allowed all of our democratic processes to become corrupted.

 

Without strong will and forthright nature, this goes one way and it's not going to be pretty.

[Jon the Hat]

8 hours ago, Facecloth said:

I know the guy isn't the most popular, especially amongst the more right leaning, but this is basically spot 

 

 

 

Its funny when he is talking about the PM, but he talks like this to everyone.  Guy is a bully.

[Jon the Hat]

58 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I'd argue that the Russian/Chinese influence, Brexit lies, and this shambolic administration being elected is pretty clear evidence that we don't.

 

We have a situation where most constituencies are resolutely going to return the same party whatever, a sizeable section of the electorate who have become obsessed with the footballification of politics, and a tranche of the public who are now completely disenfranchised - all in all, a corrupt, weak, and wholly broken system.

 

The MPs I deal with from all parties on a weekly basis are bereft. None of this is what they came into politics for. Those in charge are so weak, so short sighted, they have allowed all of our democratic processes to become corrupted.

 

Without strong will and forthright nature, this goes one way and it's not going to be pretty.

And wouldn't Putin love us to tear ourselves apart right now.  We are on the edge of something serious kicking off, and while Boris is a **** surrounded by *****, we are not going to help Ukraine by turning inward at this point.  Lets punish him at the next election.

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

And wouldn't Putin love us to tear ourselves apart right now.  We are on the edge of something serious kicking off, and while Boris is a **** surrounded by *****, we are not going to help Ukraine by turning inward at this point.  Lets punish him at the next election.

To offer a counterargument from earlier - the French are OK with changing leaders while all of this is going on and they are as invested in it as the UK...so why should the UK not be OK with it too?

 

Or is it a case of two wrongs not making a right here?

[Daggers]

19 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

And wouldn't Putin love us to tear ourselves apart right now.  We are on the edge of something serious kicking off, and while Boris is a **** surrounded by *****, we are not going to help Ukraine by turning inward at this point.  Lets punish him at the next election.

Nope. He’s precisely who Putin funded to be here. His ascension and Brexit was the culmination of the Russian covert influence. He goes now, if not sooner. We cut this or die bleeding. There’s a reason “Boris is a **** surrounded by *****”.

[Jon the Hat]

2 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Nope. He’s precisely who Putin funded to be here. His ascension and Brexit was the culmination of the Russian covert influence. He goes now, if not sooner. We cut this or die bleeding. There’s a reason “Boris is a **** surrounded by *****”.

You might be right, but if Putin did that to spit Europe to aid his plans he has failed completely.  I don't see any pressing need to make things worse.

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

To offer a counterargument from earlier - the French are OK with changing leaders while all of this is going on and they are as invested in it as the UK...so why should the UK not be OK with it too?

 

Or is it a case of two wrongs not making a right here?

They have a scheduled election, we don't.  Also they are not going to change leaders.  (Everything crossed)

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They have a scheduled election, we don't.  Also they are not going to change leaders.  (Everything crossed)

Fair enough.

 

Personally, I don't think this is a horse race that the UK is personally invested in enough that they don't have time to mend the fences. Especially when Johnson can (and will) use the media at his disposal to try to make people forget about it the further away it becomes.

 

Strike while the iron is hot.

[Jon the Hat]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Fair enough.

 

Personally, I don't think this is a horse race that the UK is personally invested in enough that they don't have time to mend the fences. Especially when Johnson can (and will) use the media at his disposal to try to make people forget about it the further away it becomes.

 

Strike while the iron is hot.

I can understand that view point.  But presently Liz Truss is the most likely to replace Boris.  Liz Truss PM.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I can understand that view point.  But presently Liz Truss is the most likely to replace Boris.  Liz Truss PM.

Fair point well made in return.

 

Still think it's worth taking the chance, though.

[Jon the Hat]

30 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Fair point well made in return.

 

Still think it's worth taking the chance, though.

Yes probably.  She has done a decent job in Ukraine so far.  The months of leadership contest are a worry though.

Edited 13 April 2022 by Jon the Hat

[pSinatra]

We are not at war & Johnson is not a wartime leader.

 

It's all that Johnson's defenders have to hang their hat on, but that still doesn't make it true

[Jimothy]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Its funny when he is talking about the PM, but he talks like this to everyone.  Guy is a bully.

I don't follow him tbh, someone sent me the tweet. I've seen him on TV a few times and he seems OK, but I'll take your word for it.

[Jon the Hat]

1 minute ago, pSinatra said:

We are not at war & Johnson is not a wartime leader.

 

It's all that Johnson's defenders have to hang their hat on, but that still doesn't make it true

We are certainly in a proxy war - our weapons are shooting down Russian aircraft and destroying Russian tanks.  he has done a better job of this than anything else so far in his leadership, which is not saying much.  I just don't think you can reasonably say it is necessary at this point to kick him out for an internal issue when their are bigger things going on.  Mind you I also see that those who despise him think this might be their best chance of getting rid of him.

[Jimothy]

30 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

We are certainly in a proxy war - our weapons are shooting down Russian aircraft and destroying Russian tanks.  he has done a better job of this than anything else so far in his leadership, which is not saying much.  I just don't think you can reasonably say it is necessary at this point to kick him out for an internal issue when their are bigger things going on.  Mind you I also see that those who despise him think this might be their best chance of getting rid of him.

Johnson isn't some one man band leading the fight though, he has advisors and ministers that help make decisions. As I said in an earlier post, there will always be a crisis with him in charge you can't just keep kicking the can down the road. I think you massively overstate the wars influence on all this. Ironically as someone who voted brexit to remove European influences on our politics you seem quire haply with events in Europe dictating what we do over here.

 

Part of me would be happy if he stayed, the longer it goes on, the more he destroys the party, but his position is totally untenable. Also let's not forget, its not a matter if he should be booted out, he lied at the dispatch box, that is meant to lead to resignation and it would for anyone else but this shameless, spineless, corrupt clown we have in charge right now.

 

If your football team is fighting relegation you sometimes have to change manager mid-season, regardless of what else is going on. We need someone to come in at least stabilise things, get us to 17th in the table before we look to next season with a long term manager in charge.

[Dahnsouff]

The current government are achieving the unthinkable, in so much as they are largely feckless but when they go, they inflict almost no damage on the Conservative party due to the personally polarising rage about the actors in power, a trick I dare say Johnson was selected to perform.