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LVFox

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5 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Genuine question, and for clarity I say this as some one who:

- Has usually but not always voted Conservative

- Voted Conservative at the last election

- Stated that Boris should resign when all this first came out a few months ago

- Would vote for Kier Starmer if it was election time

 

…but is right now actually a very bad time to sack the PM? And I mean specifically with regard to the war in Ukraine, something that is very delicately balanced, and something where intelligence (yes I know, I mean military intelligence) and key decisions are being held at the top, where a wrong move based on coming in green could prove disastrous, and with the other primary military power in Western Europe in danger of electing a Putin-sympathising fascist in coming days?

 

I don’t like what Boris has done in any way. All things being even, he should resign - and if not resign, get the push from his own MPs. But things are not even. Is this not a very, very bad time to do it?

I think there should be high enough standards that if he's committed a resign-able offence, timing doesn't come into it. It then becomes objective in the future as to whether it's the "right time" to resign.

 

He could very easily resign but stay in post for a period of time that allows a leadership contest to take place, and an effective handover of all duties including Ukraine.
 

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Sampson

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Blair and Brown both left during the Afghan War, Chamberlain of course left during WW2 and Asquith left halfway through WW1.


Would you be making the same argument if there was an election due? That we shouldn’t have an election due to the potential changing hands in intelligence? If that’s the crux of the argument that it’s because of intelligence changing hands, then the reason for changing doesn’t matter so much.

 

I hardly think the best way to show solidarity to a democracy being invaded by an authoritarian regime is to show that it doesn’t matter if our leaders allegedly openly lie to parliament and the public and they can do that just fine and stay in power.

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Lionator

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25 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Genuine question, and for clarity I say this as some one who:

- Has usually but not always voted Conservative

- Voted Conservative at the last election

- Stated that Boris should resign when all this first came out a few months ago

- Would vote for Kier Starmer if it was election time

 

…but is right now actually a very bad time to sack the PM? And I mean specifically with regard to the war in Ukraine, something that is very delicately balanced, and something where intelligence (yes I know, I mean military intelligence) and key decisions are being held at the top, where a wrong move based on coming in green could prove disastrous, and with the other primary military power in Western Europe in danger of electing a Putin-sympathising fascist in coming days?

 

I don’t like what Boris has done in any way. All things being even, he should resign - and if not resign, get the push from his own MPs. But things are not even. Is this not a very, very bad time to do it?

There’ll always be some sort of existential threat which could be justified to never changing leader in that case. “You can’t sack me now because of the climate emergency/new covid variant/ pothole crises etc). Maybe February 24th wouldn’t have been a good time to change leader, but we know now that the Ukraine war is going to be a messy Donbas situation for the foreseeable weeks/months, it’s unlikely that anything will change that. So I really don’t think it would make much difference. Also Macron will win, unless the majority of Melenchon’s voters switch the Le Pen, which is just not going to happen. 

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StanSP

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Also in the camp that thinks the cowardly fvcks won't resign for breaking the rules. 

 

If its in the rules they should resign for breaking the law, then they'll go against that and stay in position without doing the honourable thing and leaving post. 

 

It's infuriating they will get away with this. 

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weller54

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3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Princess Thunderc**t fined too

 

 

Lets be honest, she must be as thick as pig sh1t to even have fancied the fat cvnt in the first place!

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Jimothy

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As our resident poll monkey has disappeared without trace thought it might be worth sharing this one. A majority of people think he should resign. That's within hours of the news breaking, so I would imagine it'll increase over the next few days.

 

 

 

Jimothy

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1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said:

Fabricant is a caricature of a human being

I heard he was on 5 live saying that obviously they would bring suitcases full of booze in, there's no bar in number 10. ****ing imbecile completely missing the point.

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Zear0

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The tax avoiding chancellor and the ministerial code breaking custodian of the code.  Beyond parody at this point.

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FoxesWalk

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5 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I heard he was on 5 live saying that obviously they would bring suitcases full of booze in, there's no bar in number 10. ****ing imbecile completely missing the point.

He also said they’re just slamming tins at work just like teachers and nurses did… 

 

 

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Unabomber

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6 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

He also said they’re just slamming tins at work just like teachers and nurses did… 

 

 

I can’t believe this guy isn’t a made up character. If you were creating a spoof for a Tory buffoon he would look sound and act as ridiculous as that. 

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Number 6

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Torn on whether I want him to stay or go.

 

On the one hand he's a lying, self-serving asshole who cares nothing for anyone else and embarrasses the county.

 

On the other hand he could stay a bit longer and bring the whole nasty party to its knees.

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Nick

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What’s the alternative to Boris?

 

Not that I’ve ever thought he’s the material to represent anything bar a poor comedy show, who else in the Conservative party might be his successor? Truss, Javid, Patel, Gove, Mogg?
 

I mean unless I’ve missed a candidate somewhere which the British public could even have a chance of being taken seriously on a world or national stage, I’m a bit lost?

 

Genuine question.

weller54

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5 minutes ago, Nick said:

What’s the alternative to Boris?

 

Not that I’ve ever thought he’s the material to represent anything bar a poor comedy show, who else in the Conservative party might be his successor? Truss, Javid, Patel, Gove, Mogg?
 

I mean unless I’ve missed a candidate somewhere which the British public could even have a chance of being taken seriously on a world or national stage, I’m a bit lost?

 

Genuine question.

Can I phone a friend?

pSinatra

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7 minutes ago, Nick said:

What’s the alternative to Boris?

 

Not that I’ve ever thought he’s the material to represent anything bar a poor comedy show, who else in the Conservative party might be his successor? Truss, Javid, Patel, Gove, Mogg?
 

I mean unless I’ve missed a candidate somewhere which the British public could even have a chance of being taken seriously on a world or national stage, I’m a bit lost?

 

Genuine question.

 

Liz Truss is favourite with the bookies with Tom Tugendhat close behind.  Rishi's odds have fallen off a cliff.  Like you've said though, there is no clear successor.

 

I think Tugendhat has come across reasonably well recently (for a Tory), but that's only really been in the context of what's happening in Ukraine.

 

Alan Curbishley is 3rd favourite

 

 

String fellow

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9 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Imagine eating an ostrich's anus on live television and that's still not the worst thing you've ever done.

 

 

 

Strictly speaking, only mammals have anuses. Birds, reptiles and amphibians all have cloacas for expelling waste.

LVFox

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22 minutes ago, Nick said:

What’s the alternative to Boris?

 

Not that I’ve ever thought he’s the material to represent anything bar a poor comedy show, who else in the Conservative party might be his successor? Truss, Javid, Patel, Gove, Mogg?
 

I mean unless I’ve missed a candidate somewhere which the British public could even have a chance of being taken seriously on a world or national stage, I’m a bit lost?

 

Genuine question.

If I’m a conservative member I’m thinking Tugendhat or Ben Wallace could come in and appear really capable with Ukraine and get some public trust back 

Heathrow fox

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26 minutes ago, Nick said:

What’s the alternative to Boris?

 

Not that I’ve ever thought he’s the material to represent anything bar a poor comedy show, who else in the Conservative party might be his successor? Truss, Javid, Patel, Gove, Mogg?
 

I mean unless I’ve missed a candidate somewhere which the British public could even have a chance of being taken seriously on a world or national stage, I’m a bit lost?

 

Genuine question.

Javid seems to be lucky with his timing.A good qualify to have in politics.

Parafox

Parafox

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18 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Imagine eating an ostrich's anus on live television and that's still not the worst thing you've ever done.

 

 

 

I tried reading one of her books once. Never again. Saccharine fiction at it's worst IMO.

Parafox

Parafox

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1 hour ago, FoxesWalk said:

He also said they’re just slamming tins at work just like teachers and nurses did… 

 

 

Is this real? Or a spoof?

Is that a ****ing wig?

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