Not The Politics Thread.

[BKLFox]

28 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The problem is this government are incompetent liars, they’re not conservatives, and they treat the public with contempt. Now I hated austerity as a left leaning person but at least we knew the objectives of Cameron & Osborne and they were competent at it until Cameron messed everything up for himself. 

I really do get that Lionator but I’d imagine you and me could go into the parliament bar and have a drink with all the MPs and walk out both saying well what a bunch of nobs and probably only count on our 2 hands the 1s we thought were decent.

Most of the lying is non political noise drummed up for attention & point scoring.
The post the other day used to mock about reducing energy bills from 2019 is that a lie or just world event’s conspiring against them, the last 2yrs and present shite was/is always going to skew any manifest promises.

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

You don't need financial means to exercise. You can get fit at home or walking/running around your block.

 

You can also eat a healthy diet without spending a fortune.

 

And if you don't have the motivation, then that's your own fault, not the governments.

Agreed , blaming the government on people being obese is a real stretch

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

I really do get that Lionator but I’d imagine you and me could go into the parliament bar and have a drink with all the MPs and walk out both saying well what a bunch of nobs and probably only count on our 2 hands the 1s we thought were decent.

Most of the lying is non political noise drummed up for attention & point scoring.
The post the other day used to mock about reducing energy bills from 2019 is that a lie or just world event’s conspiring against them, the last 2yrs and present shite was/is always going to skew any manifest promises.

I think you underestimate how good you need to be at talking to people to get selected as a candidate and then elected as an MP.  Most of them you would find engaging and persuasive.

[BKLFox]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think you underestimate how good you need to be at talking to people to get selected as a candidate and then elected as an MP.  Most of them you would find engaging and persuasive.

I do have a great built in bullshit and smarm detector 

[nnfox]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think you underestimate how good you need to be at talking to people to get selected as a candidate and then elected as an MP.  Most of them you would find engaging and persuasive.

Maybe to get elected, but it's not always maintained once they become an MP.

 

[Parafox]

6 hours ago, Lionator said:

Ultimately people are obese because they don’t have the opportunity/financial means/motivation to exercise and eat a healthy diet,

 

6 hours ago, Izzy said:

You don't need financial means to exercise. You can get fit at home or walking/running around your block.

 

You can also eat a healthy diet without spending a fortune.

 

And if you don't have the motivation, then that's your own fault, not the governments.

@Izzy @Lionator  Some people are obese due to a physical/mental health issue. It's not as simple as over indulgence or poor diet or lack of motivation. In the same way alcoholics and drug addicts have issues they probably wish they never had but that have led them to become the persons they are today.

From personal and professional experience very few people choose to be alcoholics/drug users/anorexics/obese. For many it's a result of their own life experiences.

[Izzy]

43 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

@Izzy @Lionator  Some people are obese due to a physical/mental health issue. It's not as simple as over indulgence or poor diet or lack of motivation. In the same way alcoholics and drug addicts have issues they probably wish they never had but that have led them to become the persons they are today.

From personal and professional experience very few people choose to be alcoholics/drug users/anorexics/obese. For many it's a result of their own life experiences.

So nothing to do with the government then. Which was the point of my reply 

[The Horse's Mouth]

46 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

@Izzy @Lionator  Some people are obese due to a physical/mental health issue. It's not as simple as over indulgence or poor diet or lack of motivation. In the same way alcoholics and drug addicts have issues they probably wish they never had but that have led them to become the persons they are today.

From personal and professional experience very few people choose to be alcoholics/drug users/anorexics/obese. For many it's a result of their own life experiences.

Those aren't the vast majority though, most obese people are just lazy, don't have the willpower nor self respect to sort themselves out.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

So nothing to do with the government then. Which was the point of my reply 

I wasn’t specifically saying this government but the way of life that we have in Britain. What the above poster says about physical/mental health is absolutely true but these things don’t just happen. They’re a product of bygone generational and societal norms which maintain self-destructive behaviour, of which overindulgence is one. 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Those aren't the vast majority though, most obese people are just lazy, don't have the willpower nor self respect to sort themselves out.

Probably because they’re depressed/anxious/stressed and there aren’t the support systems in place which support them in sorting themselves out. 

[Lionator]

Boris going to Kyiv today is probably his finest moment as PM. This war is likely something he has spent years revising and envisaging how he would approach, whereas a pandemic and the day to day nonsense is just a barrier in the way of his Churchillian aspirations. 

[chapero82]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Those aren't the vast majority though, most obese people are just lazy, don't have the willpower nor self respect to sort themselves out.

Wow 😮 no need to go around stereotyping 

[weller54]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Boris going to Kyiv today is probably his finest moment as PM. This war is likely something he has spent years revising and envisaging how he would approach, whereas a pandemic and the day to day nonsense is just a barrier in the way of his Churchillian aspirations. 

Never ever forget what the cretin was doing the night before this......

Edited 9 April 2022 by weller54

[kenny]

26 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Never ever forget what the cretin was doing the night before this......

Not sure what he was doing as I think he went home after work didn't he?

 

 

[leicsmac]

5 hours ago, Izzy said:

So nothing to do with the government then. Which was the point of my reply 

Perhaps lack of government help/ support infrastructure does have a part to play here in terms of responsibility, especially with a nationalised healthcare service?

 

5 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Those aren't the vast majority though, most obese people are just lazy, don't have the willpower nor self respect to sort themselves out.

Wisdom of this type would be *really* welcomed over on the "Depression" thread. 

[leicsmac]

On the general topic above, some folks like to believe that they have near absolute control over their lives (and that others do too), for a variety of reasons...except empirical evidence rather clearly suggests otherwise.

 

Yes, an individual has choices, but it is patently obvious that the choices of other people, and  the simple vagaries of fate (so many examples of that) have a considerable amount of power over a person too.

[urban.spaceman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61055789

 

Sunak is demanding a Whitehall inquiry to find out who leaked details about his wife's tax arrangements,

 

…Instead of ordering an inquiry into why his wife’s tax arrangements were so dodgy 

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, Lionator said:

Boris going to Kyiv today is probably his finest moment as PM. This war is likely something he has spent years revising and envisaging how he would approach, whereas a pandemic and the day to day nonsense is just a barrier in the way of his Churchillian aspirations. 

It certainly suits his style of leadership better than poring over scientific analysis of virology etc.  He’s done well showing the UK remains important on the European stage.

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

It certainly suits his style of leadership better than poring over scientific analysis of virology etc.  He’s done well showing the UK remains important on the European stage.

I would agree.

 

However, it is therefore unfortunate that the biggest challenge the UK and the world in general has faced recently, as well as the biggest one in the immediate future, are both scientific in origin and require a complex and scientific solution.

Edited 10 April 2022 by leicsmac

[Izzy]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

On the general topic above, some folks like to believe that they have near absolute control over their lives (and that others do too), for a variety of reasons...except empirical evidence rather clearly suggests otherwise.

 

Yes, an individual has choices, but it is patently obvious that the choices of other people, and  the simple vagaries of fate (so many examples of that) have a considerable amount of power over a person too.

I tend to find those who feel more in control of their own lives and destiny lead a far more happy and contented life than those with a victim mentality who blame everything and everyone else for their own misery.

 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I tend to find those who feel more in control of their own lives and destiny lead a far more happy and contented life than those with a victim mentality who blame everything and everyone else for their own misery.

 

I guess that would tend to depend on one's definition of happiness, but I can see why that is thought.

 

I will argue that given the power disparity that happens in the world today, to say nothing of random chance events both good and bad, that what I said is accurate and factual, however. Better to believe in something even though it isn't true for the sake of one's own mental wellbeing, perhaps.

 

But then we've crossed swords on this before Izzy and it's by no means personal - I'm pretty damn sure you do more to help folks than I do.

[The Horse's Mouth]

12 hours ago, Lionator said:

Probably because they’re depressed/anxious/stressed and there aren’t the support systems in place which support them in sorting themselves out. 

It's not a good excuse, only one person can sort yourself out and it's yourself. Support systems and this and that, aload of shite. You've got to take accountability. Nobody can sort yourself out, only yourself 

[LiberalFox]

4 hours ago, Izzy said:

I tend to find those who feel more in control of their own lives and destiny lead a far more happy and contented life than those with a victim mentality who blame everything and everyone else for their own misery.

 

True happiness is being able to accept there are many things you have no direct control over. All you can do is take responsibility for your own decisions and make choices that further your ambitions and/or are in accordance with your values. 

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It's not a good excuse, only one person can sort yourself out and it's yourself. Support systems and this and that, aload of shite. You've got to take accountability. Nobody can sort yourself out, only yourself 

Take accountability yes, but do you honestly think you can completely change your behaviour without some sort of support? There’s a reason why weight watchers and AA are so successful, it’s because it’s part of a community. This is the age of the individual and we’re destroying ourselves because of it. 

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Take accountability yes, but do you honestly think you can completely change your behaviour without some sort of support? There’s a reason why weight watchers and AA are so successful, it’s because it’s part of a community. This is the age of the individual and we’re destroying ourselves because of it. 

To be honest I don't think that humanity is any more individualistic now than it has been before.

 

The issue is that such sentiments, in this day and age, have more far-reaching consequences than they would have done in the past.