Not The Politics Thread.

[Voll Blau]

Your Dad still wonders what all the fuss is about though. 

[Zear0]

See if those MPs who said they were holding their counsel act now that he's been collared.  Call me a cynic but I doubt they'll do anything. I can already hear the Tory apologists saying "it was just a party" but the fact is the two individuals in our two highest offices broke the law.  The "one rule for them" line never carried as much weight when he inevitably stays in position.

 

As he said in The Commons

"All guidance was followed completely"

"I have been repeatedly assured that there was no party nor rules broken"

On the record liar.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Your Dad still wonders what all the fuss is about though. 

Didn't you hear?

 

Apparently "We're at war" and "he's a wartime leader".

[ClaphamFox]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Of course he won't step down - he's a Nixon, it's against his very personal ethos.

 

So someone will have to do the deed - quite possibly the Tories themselves if they see he'll be a liability going into 2024.

They might just calculate that nobody will be talking much about partygate two years' time, so he has time to ride it out. By then, they might of course decide he's a liability for other reasons, but probably not for this.

 

The fact that Sunak's star has fallen so dramatically means there is a distinct lack of strong candidates to replace Johnson, which may also persuade the rest of the party to stick with what they've got for a while longer...

Edited 12 April 2022 by ClaphamFox

[RoboFox]

Boris Johnson, December 1: “There were no parties.”

 

Boris Johnson, April 12: *Fined by the police for partying*

 

The first sitting PM in history to be found to have broken the law. 

 

I hope he stays. I hope they all stay, because together they're burying the Conservative Party.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

They might just calculate that nobody will be talking much about partygate two years' time, so he has time to ride it out. They might of course decide he's a liability for other reasons, but probably not for this.

 

The fact that Sunak's star has fallen so dramatically means there is a distinct lack of strong candidates to replace Johnson, which may also persuade the rest of the party to stick with what they've got for a while longer...

That's possible.

 

However I would submit that if something is going on come 2024 that means the focus wouldn't be on that come election time, it would likely be a matter so serious that Johnson's leadership would likely be disastrous for it anyway.

[urban.spaceman]

Princess Thunderc**t fined too

 

 

Edited 12 April 2022 by urban.spaceman

[RoboFox]

 

[StanSP]

 

 

Furious at himself! 

[Voll Blau]

It's so fvcking dismaying to come from a country whose people will let those they elect take the piss out of them like this... and then go and vote for the perpetrators again. We really are a spineless, supine bunch.

[LVFox]

I can't see him resigning. The laws don't apply to dear Alexander.

 

The more worrying thing for our politics as a whole is if the Conservative MPs don't put enough votes of no confidence in to force a leadership contest.

[Lionator]

39 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

That's possible.

 

However I would submit that if something is going on come 2024 that means the focus wouldn't be on that come election time, it would likely be a matter so serious that Johnson's leadership would likely be disastrous for it anyway.

People still say Andy Burnham is unelectable (if he ever ran for PM) because of the mid-staffs scandal 15 years ago+ so I doubt partygate will be forgotten come ballot time. They’re going to get battered in the upcoming elections I think. 

[Fox in the North]

 

[hackneyfox]

23 minutes ago, Lionator said:

People still say Andy Burnham is unelectable (if he ever ran for PM) because of the mid-staffs scandal 15 years ago+ so I doubt partygate will be forgotten come ballot time. They’re going to get battered in the upcoming elections I think. 

Well he stood to be leader of The Labour Party a few years back, did it get much of a mention at the time?

 

Burnham is Labour, Johnson is Tory, different rules apply with the press.

Edited 12 April 2022 by hackneyfox

[Sampson]

Tory MPs already back to the Sue Gray deflection tactic. Nothing will happen to either Johnson or Sunak.
 

 

[ClaphamFox]

29 minutes ago, LVocey said:

I can't see him resigning. The laws don't apply to dear Alexander.

 

The more worrying thing for our politics as a whole is if the Conservative MPs don't put enough votes of no confidence in to force a leadership contest.

They will only try to force a leadership contest if they're absolutely sure that another candidate would do a better job. And now that Rishi is damaged goods, there are few obvious contenders. The timing of the leaks about Sunak make perfect sense now.

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

I am okay with this.

 

 

 

[Sampson]

4 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I am okay with this.

 

 

 

I wasn’t that bad. I only slipped over some loose flooring and knocked a few bricks out the wall. Typical Twitter spin.

[urban.spaceman]

Absolutely everyone to Kier Starmer:

 

[weller54]

1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

Boris Johnson, December 1: “There were no parties.”

 

Boris Johnson, April 12: *Fined by the police for partying*

 

The first sitting PM in history to be found to have broken the law. 

 

I hope he stays. I hope they all stay, because together they're burying the Conservative Party.

This!!!..

Let them drown in their own vomit!!

[weller54]

Quick Bozo...get the first flight back out to Ukraine and play buddies with Zelenskyy!!..

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Jimothy]

I know the guy isn't the most popular, especially amongst the more right leaning, but this is basically spot 

 

 

 

[Dunge]

Genuine question, and for clarity I say this as some one who:

- Has usually but not always voted Conservative

- Voted Conservative at the last election

- Stated that Boris should resign when all this first came out a few months ago

- Would vote for Kier Starmer if it was election time

 

…but is right now actually a very bad time to sack the PM? And I mean specifically with regard to the war in Ukraine, something that is very delicately balanced, and something where intelligence (yes I know, I mean military intelligence) and key decisions are being held at the top, where a wrong move based on coming in green could prove disastrous, and with the other primary military power in Western Europe in danger of electing a Putin-sympathising fascist in coming days?

 

I don’t like what Boris has done in any way. All things being even, he should resign - and if not resign, get the push from his own MPs. But things are not even. Is this not a very, very bad time to do it?

[Jimothy]

7 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Genuine question, and for clarity I say this as some one who:

- Has usually but not always voted Conservative

- Voted Conservative at the last election

- Stated that Boris should resign when all this first came out a few months ago

- Would vote for Kier Starmer if it was election time

 

…but is right now actually a very bad time to sack the PM? And I mean specifically with regard to the war in Ukraine, something that is very delicately balanced, and something where intelligence (yes I know, I mean military intelligence) and key decisions are being held at the top, where a wrong move based on coming in green could prove disastrous, and with the other primary military power in Western Europe in danger of electing a Putin-sympathising fascist in coming days?

 

I don’t like what Boris has done in any way. All things being even, he should resign - and if not resign, get the push from his own MPs. But things are not even. Is this not a very, very bad time to do it?

We changed PM during a war we were actually fighting. Other countries are holding elections like normal, there's a chance France could change leader during this conflict. I honestly don't think it really matters all that much, since the Tories came in, this administration particularly we have slumped from one crisis to another, some of their making, some not, but all made worse by the fact they were the ones leading us through it. There'll always be a crisis with Johnson in charge, can't just keep kicking the can down the road.

Edited 12 April 2022 by Facecloth