Popular Post LiberalFox Posted 13 April 2022 Popular Post Posted 13 April 2022 I dunno why people act like Tories should just run the country forever unless the opposition are literally perfect. Like half the country would let Boris shag their wife because he went to Eaton and was a member of the Bullingdon club and we are a nation of bootlickers. It almost makes me want to pretend to be Irish for a few days. I don't give a **** about the national debt or Gordon Brown selling the gold reserves. If you can't see that Starmer is a more meritocratic choice than Boris Johnson then you're just pretending to be smarter than you are. Rachel Reeves is much more of a neoliberal type lefty than a socialist so don't worry yourselves about reds under the bed. 5
Parafox Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 4 minutes ago, Lionator said: Literally everything was better under the Labour government, the NHS, crime levels, education, housing market, suicide rates, poverty. "Everything"? OK if you say so. Can you back this up with facts? How far are you going back in history? I'm no Tory at all and I'm sceptical about every political party ATM. But in my experience, the Labour Gov's over the years have not made any significant reduction or improvement in the areas you mention. I was working in the NHS under Blair and it was shite. Crime levels were at an all time high high. Back in 78-79 with Labour, we had the "winter of discontent". Strikes, power cuts and a parliamentary crisis resulting in the election of Thatcher. It's not "everything". 1
Lionator Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 9 minutes ago, Parafox said: "Everything"? OK if you say so. Can you back this up with facts? How far are you going back in history? I'm no Tory at all and I'm sceptical about every political party ATM. But in my experience, the Labour Gov's over the years have not made any significant reduction or improvement in the areas you mention. I was working in the NHS under Blair and it was shite. Crime levels were at an all time high high. Back in 78-79 with Labour, we had the "winter of discontent". Strikes, power cuts and a parliamentary crisis resulting in the election of Thatcher. It's not "everything". I mean the 1997-2010 Labour government. I can’t vouch for the Wilson/Callaghan government’s which were from a different era. As shite as it was to work for the nhs then, I can assure you it’s worse now. Crime levels were at an all time high in 1997 then went to their lowest level by 2010. Blair was the worst foreign policy prime minister we’ve ever had, but domestically he was probably the best since the Churchill/Attlee days (some would also argue Thatcher though I don’t agree with her politics I admit she was a strong leader). 1
Fazzer 7 Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 According to Dr David Bull deputy leader of Reform and medical doctor. 48% of NHS budget goes on non medical.
Lionator Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 42 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: According to Dr David Bull deputy leader of Reform and medical doctor. 48% of NHS budget goes on non medical. Not sure it’s that much but it can’t be far off. Resource efficiency in the NHS is appalling. A lot will be outsourcing as well. 2
blabyboy Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 3 minutes ago, Lionator said: Not sure it’s that much but it can’t be far off. Resource efficiency in the NHS is appalling. A lot will be outsourcing as well. Don't forget the PFI's that need to be paid off for hospitals and amortised over many years so it will affect many governments of all colours for years to come. 2
kenny Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 6 minutes ago, Lionator said: Not sure it’s that much but it can’t be far off. Resource efficiency in the NHS is appalling. A lot will be outsourcing as well. A lot of the outsourcing will be to private companies that employ NHS staff to run their medical facilities.
foxile5 Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 8 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Drip…. Drip… Look at his hair though. He'll sort them out. He's my mate Boris. Etc etc. He'll get away with it. And I hate that the current climate makes me certain in saying that. 2
Bryn Posted 13 April 2022 Posted 13 April 2022 We’re sending asylum seekers to Rwanda then. This country is turning into a dystopian nightmare. 2
LVFox Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 6 hours ago, Bryn said: We’re sending asylum seekers to Rwanda then. This country is turning into a dystopian nightmare. At the nice cost of 1.2bn a year too… as a country we just don’t make sense do we, broken from top to bottom. 3
Fazzer 7 Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 10 hours ago, kenny said: A lot of the outsourcing will be to private companies that employ NHS staff to run their medical facilities. Many say the NHS needs top to bottom reform. It clearly does.
Jon the Hat Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 11 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said: According to Dr David Bull deputy leader of Reform and medical doctor. 48% of NHS budget goes on non medical. He might be right, but generally speaking you cannot run an effective hospital without buildings, equipment, paying the bills, paying people, HR, Legal, Insurance, Finance. 10 hours ago, blabyboy said: Don't forget the PFI's that need to be paid off for hospitals and amortised over many years so it will affect many governments of all colours for years to come. PFIs Which were put in place by Labour no? 2
weller54 Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 9 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Drip…. Drip… Looking forward to the full Sue Gray report!..but he'll grovel and waffle some crap about how sorry he is etc etc!! And of course point out how wonderful he is in getting the vaccination program out and being Zelenskyy's best mate 💤💤.... Just hope the people of this country show him the door in the May local elections! Because one thing's for sure the spineless Tory party aren't going to kick him out until they realise they'll lose the next GE with him in charge!!
chapero82 Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 Why is the media not talking about this? It’s disgusting and we shouldn’t be doing business with this type of country!
Popular Post Unabomber Posted 14 April 2022 Popular Post Posted 14 April 2022 One thing I can’t stand atm are all the people still defending Johnson by saying things like “who cares it was only a party”. He could literally do anything and some cretins would still justify his actions. 5
Innovindil Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 44 minutes ago, Unabomber said: One thing I can’t stand atm are all the people still defending Johnson by saying things like “who cares it was only a party”. He could literally do anything and some cretins would still justify his actions. Shouldn't let it bother you imo. They'll be the same people that broke the rules themselves and are happy for the vindication. Not worth bothering with.
HighPeakFox Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 It is quite extraordinary hearing the intellectual gymnastics people are doing to wave away all the rubbish this government is inflicting on us. I was playing cards the other day and the projection and self-justification amongst my fellow players for terrible voting choices was sickening. Unfortunately, I have a proper match shortly and have to sit opposite the major apologist.
The Guvnor Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, blabyboy said: Don't forget the PFI's that need to be paid off for hospitals and amortised over many years so it will affect many governments of all colours for years to come. And it is important its not forgotten. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-blair-gordon-brown-carillion-capita-financial-crash-a8202661.html Edited 14 April 2022 by The Guvnor
Sampson Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Unabomber said: One thing I can’t stand atm are all the people still defending Johnson by saying things like “who cares it was only a party”. He could literally do anything and some cretins would still justify his actions. The problem with the "the cake was out for 10 minutes" attempt to sweep it under the carpet, is that people haven't forgotten not being able to see elderly and sick relatives for 10 minutes and not being able to hug them for a year that people won't forget any time soon, there are 1000s of personalised heartbreaking stories like the below: Edited 14 April 2022 by Sampson
Sampson Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 In... 1 2 3... And here comes the immigrant scapegoating deflection tactic... **** me! What an evil, heatless government we have. 1 1
leicsmac Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 8 minutes ago, Sampson said: In... 1 2 3... And here comes the immigrant scapegoating deflection tactic... **** me! What an evil, heatless government we have. Obvious deflection to appeal to the attitudes of some of the voter base is obvious.
urban.spaceman Posted 14 April 2022 Posted 14 April 2022 17 minutes ago, Sampson said: In... 1 2 3... And here comes the immigrant scapegoating deflection tactic... **** me! What an evil, heatless government we have. Can't be sure if this is a typo or a statement on how bad our energy situation is. 1
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