Brendan Rodgers

[Matt]

I'd love to hear the likes of Vardy's views on the narrative we've overachieved.

 

I mean Perez is one of Brendan's signings and until recently got a fair amount of playing time even when underperforming so it's understandable he'd support and buy in to Rodgers mentality or what Brendan says.

 

I'm not saying Vardy's view would be any different, perhaps he even think's he has over achieved on a personal level, i'm somehow doubt he's got that mentality though.

[foxile5]

The growth mindset is huge in psychology. This is a fixed mindset talking and is absolutely the enemy of progress.

 

Not good. At all. 

[An Sionnach]

17 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Can anyone really imagine Man City going from Pep to Rodgers  

As I said I think this is the best gig he will ever get and he knows it. He will cling on for dear life. Top will stick by him for sure if we stay in the top half. There will be a lot of moaning at times but that won't bother him too much. 

[Babylon]

Imagine being Tielemans, or Barnes or Ndidi or any other player who could get a move and he stands in front of you saying sorry lads, that’s the best you can expect. It’s midtable for us now. 

[Ric Flair]

Those in the leadership group must be absolutely disgusted at this recent party line they're wheeling out to try and stand up for themselves. Absolutely farcical this is.

 

Perez stated he came here to try and play European football and get in the Spanish national team. What a load of bollocks, I wish they'd all shut up at the minute and be banned from interviews, clowns.

[CosbehFox]

Funnily enough there’s a great section of the interview regards mindset. About needing to run more, not be lazy, so the basics. Very glad to read that’s been the message. 

[Corky]

17 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Those in the leadership group must be absolutely disgusted at this recent party line they're wheeling out to try and stand up for themselves. Absolutely farcical this is.

 

Perez stated he came here to try and play European football and get in the Spanish national team. What a load of bollocks, I wish they'd all shut up at the minute and be banned from interviews, clowns.

I can imagine Schmeichel isn't taking this very well.

[Bryn]

He'd struggle to get in the Andorra side, that ****.

[st albans fox]

38 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'd love to hear the likes of Vardy's views on the narrative we've overachieved.

 

I mean Perez is one of Brendan's signings and until recently got a fair amount of playing time even when underperforming so it's understandable he'd support and buy in to Rodgers mentality or what Brendan says.

 

I'm not saying Vardy's view would be any different, perhaps he even think's he has over achieved on a personal level, i'm somehow doubt he's got that mentality though.

Matt - how can you argue with the comment that we’ve over achieved for two seasons ??

[Guest ttfn]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Matt - how can you argue with the comment that we’ve over achieved for two seasons ??

I’m not sure that 62 and then 66 points is over-performance for this squad. And if it is over-performance then it is relatively moderate.

 

League position is a relative indicator of performance not an absolute one. I’m not sure that finishing below Lampard’s Chelsea once and Solskjaer’s Man United twice as well as scraping in above Arteta’s Arsenal and the Mourinho/Mason Spurs clusterfvck can really be seen as this incredible over-performance some are painting it as. 
 

Both full seasons under Rodgers have been pretty good. Certainly not enough to have earned this legendary status some are affording him let alone excusing what we’ve seen this season.

[TrentFox]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

He was getting some serious abuse, that fan needs to learn you reap what you show to be fair.  Pearson shouldnt have said what he said but also the fan should learn how to get a point across without swearing and name calling.

To be fair, I often feel

like telling a large proportion of our fan base to FOAD 🤷

[Matt]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Matt - how can you argue with the comment that we’ve over achieved for two seasons ??

It was our aim and objective - especially given the nature of a weakened/average league with many teams not on the top of their game.

 

Rodgers even claimed it was his aim to 'disrupt the established order at the top of the Premier League', 'drop a hand granade in there', when he came in.

 

He 'felt coming here, the challenge was: can we disrupt that top six?'.

 

Along with being providing with an 'outstanding' and 'right up there with the best in the world' £100m training ground, the 'envy of the league' that people will be in 'awe' of, where 'theres no excuses'.

 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

..l

 

Along with being providing with an 'outstanding' and 'right up there with the best in the world' £100m training ground, the 'envy of the league' that people will be in 'awe' of, where 'theres no excuses'.

 

Come on, the training ground is a long term benefit, not a light switch for success

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

It was our aim and objective - especially given the nature of a weakened/average league with many teams not on the top of their game.

 

Rodgers even claimed it was his aim to 'disrupt the established order at the top of the Premier League', 'drop a hand granade in there', when he came in.

 

He 'felt coming here, the challenge was: can we disrupt that top six?'.

 

Along with being providing with an 'outstanding' and 'right up there with the best in the world' £100m training ground, the 'envy of the league' that people will be in 'awe' of, where 'theres no excuses'.

 

That’s ambition and we met our ambitions - you must have those in professional competitive sport 

 

But to say we didn’t over achieve in only falling out of the top four last week of both campaigns and winning the fa cup doesn’t make sense to me.  It’s not a crime to state this.  Some reactions make it seem as though it is. 
 

we still have ambitions to do it again …….the players and staff need our backing to get them back on the horse. 

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Come on, the training ground is a long term benefit, not a light switch for success

 

You're right.

 

It seems nothing but a reason alot of our injuries according to some people.at the moment.

[Babylon]

25 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Matt - how can you argue with the comment that we’ve over achieved for two seasons ??

We might have as a club, but not as a team. You don’t fluke 5th twice and an FA Cup.

 

It would be a fair point if others had drastically improved or we’d lost many players. But we haven’t, we’ve seen this exact group be in the top four more than any other team, two seasons running. And suddenly we shouldn’t expect them to be able to defend, or pass a ball, or work hard as a bare minimum. 
 

They are trotting it out as an excuse for being bottom half and inept week in week out. That, is bollocks. 

Edited 24 November 2021 by Babylon

[Sionnach gorm]

Honestly, I think we’re to quick to get down on a manager.  We were too quick with Ranieri and we got Shakey, who didn’t have a clue and was much worse.  Now we have Brendan, who is an above average manager at worst.  Every team has a rough patch.  Personally I don’t see anyone currently available that is a better manager than Brendan (lest the ones that would never come here).  We may sit at the bottom this year, but we’re not relegation fodder. 

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Matt - how can you argue with the comment that we’ve over achieved for two seasons ??

There's a difference between over achieving and maximising your ability. You don't over achieve for 2.5 seasons.

[sacreblueits442]

52 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

As I said I think this is the best gig he will ever get and he knows it. He will cling on for dear life. Top will stick by him for sure if we stay in the top half. There will be a lot of moaning at times but that won't bother him too much. 

....surprisingly there maybe something in place where Pep has recommended Rodgers as his successor!!!

Sir Alex recommended Moyes to take over and although it seemed strange at the time it actually happened. Sometimes people seek to cling to a status, which they have carved out over a long period of time and anyone emulating that success waters their achievements down. I would suggest Moyes was set up to fail the instant he took up that role and Rodgers will want the chance, but unless he learns or brings someone in to work alongside him, he will experience the same fate.

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

There's a difference between over achieving and maximising your ability. You don't over achieve for 2.5 seasons.

You can overachieve for 10 years if you have the 8th largest budget and finish 5th all the time.

 

But we need to differentiate between achieving more than our budget normally would, and what this group of players should be achieving.

 

In terms of finances, yea we have over achieved. But this group of players has proven they are good enough for 5th or close to it and a cup win. This group are currently underachieving!

[Guest ttfn]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

That’s ambition and we met our ambitions - you must have those in professional competitive sport 

 

But to say we didn’t over achieve in only falling out of the top four last week of both campaigns and winning the fa cup doesn’t make sense to me.  It’s not a crime to state this.  Some reactions make it seem as though it is. 
 

we still have ambitions to do it again …….the players and staff need our backing to get them back on the horse. 

And I think you’ve made Matt’s point for him.

 

Where is that ambition now? If people see poor performances they will forgive a lot if they can see a path and an ambition to get better. Everything the manager says suggests we’ve reached the top of the mountain and we should be grateful for mid-table.

 

That’s not ambition, it’s self-preservation.

[Guest ttfn]

Just now, Babylon said:

You can overachieve for 10 years if you have the 8th largest budget and finish 5th all the time.

 

But we need to differentiate between achieving more than our budget normally would, and what this group of players should be achieving.

 

In terms of finances, yea we have over achieved. But this group of players has proven they are good enough for 5th or close to it and a cup win. This group are currently underachieving!

Unless of course the other clubs with bigger budgets have got their act together. Which as you’ve rightly pointed out is not what’s happened.

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Babylon said:

You can overachieve for 10 years if you have the 8th largest budget and finish 5th all the time.

 

But we need to differentiate between achieving more than our budget normally would, and what this group of players should be achieving.

 

In terms of finances, yea we have over achieved. But this group of players has proven they are good enough for 5th or close to it and a cup win. This group are currently underachieving!

I don't see it as over achieving simply based on finances because we have proven several times that the sheer hard work we have put in to our recruitment model allows us to compete with the big 6 within reason. That's not over achieving, it's maximising our ability. It also isn't a level playing field every season, the momentum and position we have built has made it easier to then maintain it than if we had to try and compete with those clubs from scratch every year.

 

There is a serious amount of money  wasted in this game and those with the most are often the guiltliest, it's really not that outrageous to take advantage when some of the clubs start to get things really wrong and we're on the up. 

 

I class over achievement in smaller time periods, like when Peter Taylor had up top 4 for months but it was a mix of luck and witch craft. I don't view us going 2.5 years showing top 4 form for the most part and recovering from a slump at the end of the 2019/20 season. Regrouping and changing tactics and systems to go on and beat every big 6 side at least once in 2020/21. That isn't over achieving, it's the capabilities of a team and manager that at that point were receptive to excelling and succeeding. Not to mention delivering an FA Cup, delivering one of the most impressive performances in the QF vs Man Utd that I've seen from a side that you could never question it as them over achieving. 

 

It's a mentality thing as well, we would not have done what we've done in 15/16 and then the Rodgers years if our owners, directors, coaches and players all believed it wasn't possible to deliver what we've done. The ambition is being driven collectively and as soon as excuses are made then it's the end of the road which this is looking close to being now. Shocking turn of events for a man who doesn't have the bravery to take responsibility under pressure.

[1972 Fox]

3 hours ago, Vestan Pance said:

As long as we don't end up like the last two 'over-achievers' that won the FA Cup, they currently reside in League One. 

Not sure about that, Tottenham are still in the top flight. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

You can overachieve for 10 years if you have the 8th largest budget and finish 5th all the time.

 

But we need to differentiate between achieving more than our budget normally would, and what this group of players should be achieving.

 

In terms of finances, yea we have over achieved. But this group of players has proven they are good enough for 5th or close to it and a cup win. This group are currently underachieving!

Well defined, I agree 👍🏻