bovril Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 4 minutes ago, turtmcfly said: Anotonio's comment is logically fallacious, but it's not 'playing the race card'. Doesn't mean no-on is playing it... lmao Took me a while to work out exactly who 'we' and 'Europeans' refer to in this tweet. Still not 100% sure
Hales Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 7 minutes ago, bovril said: Anti-racist football vs sentimental over animals Britain is the kind of battle I live for. Just waiting for the meltdown when someone suggests Zoumas punishment is racist People are already suggesting his punishment and treatment is because he is black. That's why I don't think Antonio's comments are helpful. I can categorically say I would have the same view if he was a different race or one of our players. What he did was wrong end of! 2
foxes_rule1978 Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 minute ago, Hales said: People are already suggesting his punishment and treatment is because he is black. That's why I don't think Antonio's comments are helpful. I can categorically say I would have the same view if he was a different race or one of our players. What he did was wrong end of! Agreed, to think this is race related when the video is so clear of him abusing his pet is just bloody ridiculous. Sorry I have no time for the guy he is a nasty pr**k
StanSP Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 4 minutes ago, Hales said: People are already suggesting his punishment and treatment is because he is black. That's why I don't think Antonio's comments are helpful. I can categorically say I would have the same view if he was a different race or one of our players. What he did was wrong end of! I don't think Antonio has fuelled that at all.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 Happening because he's black **** me Does that ignorant bitch realise he makes 250k in a fortnight? Fact is he is getting off incredibly lightly and I for one hope his real punishment comes in the streets.
Popular Post bovril Posted 10 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 10 February 2022 5 minutes ago, Hales said: People are already suggesting his punishment and treatment is because he is black. Nonsense, it's because he's French 5
Popular Post GingerrrFox Posted 10 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) Honestly do people not realise that using racism as a deflection tactic when a black person does something immoral does nothing other than to belittle the anti racism effort? If this was a video of Wayne Rooney drop kicking a cat and slapping it across the face in 2006 it would have still been plastered all over the news. It doesn’t matter what colour you are, abusing small animals in that way is not on and will rightly be vilified. Edited 10 February 2022 by GingerrrFox 9
bovril Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 Just now, BlueBrett said: I for one hope his real punishment comes in the streets. Rival East London cat gangs have already agreed a cease fire in order to focus on the real enemy
Hales Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 minute ago, StanSP said: I don't think Antonio has fuelled that at all. Really? Many people are suggesting on social media he is being punished more because he is black. Of course Antonio's comments will fuel it, they already are.......
foxile5 Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Antonio has a point in regard to how racism gets punished. People who have been proven to be racist have got lesser punishments. From that clip above, I don't see the outrage at his comments unless I've missed something. Because the two aren't simultaneously on trail. It should be possible to condemn Zouma without the need to bring up race issues. He's not kicked the cat because he's black and he's not being punished for it because he's black. Race is a separate issue and to conflate the two just suggests that any criminal or moral issue must first be compared to the severity of racism in order to be justified. 1
Dahnsouff Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 minute ago, foxile5 said: Because the two aren't simultaneously on trail. It should be possible to condemn Zouma without the need to bring up race issues. He's not kicked the cat because he's black and he's not being punished for it because he's black. Race is a separate issue and to conflate the two just suggests that any criminal or moral issue must first be compared to the severity of racism in order to be justified. I agree with this, and in fact I would argue conflating the two issues lessen's the acknowledgment of both (By drawing misdirecting parallels), that is something that cannot be allowed to happen.
bovril Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 10 minutes ago, BlueBrett said: Happening because he's black **** me Does that ignorant bitch realise he makes 250k in a fortnight? Fact is he is getting off incredibly lightly and I for one hope his real punishment comes in the streets. It's ironic because she talks about 'Europeans' but a lot of the stuff I've read on social media is along the lines of 'he might be able to get away with it in France but not here!' and the Europeans are as bemused at us as ever
turtmcfly Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, foxile5 said: Because the two aren't simultaneously on trail. It should be possible to condemn Zouma without the need to bring up race issues. He's not kicked the cat because he's black and he's not being punished for it because he's black. Race is a separate issue and to conflate the two just suggests that any criminal or moral issue must first be compared to the severity of racism in order to be justified. Come on, it's not that hard to see Antonio isn't saying this. Using racism as an example of a 'worse crime' that others have got away with (and again, I don't agree with his original dichotomy but that's not relevant here) is not the same as saying 'Zouma is being punished because he's black'. Edited 10 February 2022 by turtmcfly
NasPb Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 I'm fine with the punishment per say and i thjnk this could have all been avoided if he wasn't such an idiot and if west ham didn't play him but i certainly don't like how people like Marcus Alonso and such play freely after literally killing someone and Suarez as well after his incidents. Same could be said with Simpson too...
Hammo Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 hour ago, StanSP said: I don't think Antonio has fuelled that at all. Are you serious? Or just naive? This is about someone being viciously cruel to an innocent animal. There was no racist element to the narrative at all until Antonio, for reasons best known to himself, chose to introduce it. 1
foxile5 Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, turtmcfly said: Come on, it's not that hard to see Antonio isn't saying this. Using racism as an example of a 'worse crime' that others have got away with (and again, I don't agree with his original dichotomy but that's not relevant here) is not the same as saying 'Zouma is being punished because he's black'. Yes but the point I'm making is that the two are entirely unrelated so as to be pointless in comparison. Antonio cites racism. Yeah that's bad but have you seen how bad paedophilia is? Etc etc. It does nothing more than draw false comparisons and muddy the water. Race has nothing to do with it and he's doing the discussion of animal welfare a huge disservice in bringing it up. Not to mention making it SEEM as though he's using racist behaviour as a protective barrier to scrutiny. Edited 10 February 2022 by foxile5 1
StanSP Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 hour ago, foxile5 said: It should be possible to condemn Zouma without the need to bring up race issues. He's not kicked the cat because he's black and he's not being punished for it because he's black But Antonio has not suggested this was done at all? 1
South Shire Fox Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) Michail Antonio with one of weirdest arguements ive ever heard in my life and the level of the support for it is very worrying. How in the hell can an appalling case of animal abuse be turned around into racism? So if Kurt Zouma was white this would all be forgotten about? So the threshold is if its not worse then racism in his mind then its not that bad? Complete an utter deluded c*nt. The bad thing is this will deflect from the issue here now as no one in the media will have the bollucks to challenge Antonios narrative for fear of how it might make them seem racist if they argue against. Edited 10 February 2022 by South Shire Fox 1
foxile5 Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 1 minute ago, StanSP said: But Antonio has not suggested this was done at all? The point I was making is that the two are entirely separate and there is no n need for conflation or whataboutery.
when_you're_smiling Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 8 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said: Michail Antonio with one of weirdest arguements ive ever heard in my life and the level of the support for it is very worrying. How in the hell can an appalling case of animal abuse be turned around into racism? So if Kurt Zouma was white this would all be forgotten about? So the threshold is if its not worse then racism in his mind then its not that bad? Complete an utter deluded c*nt. The bad thing is this will deflect from the issue here now as no one in the media will have the bollucks to challenge Antonios narrative for fear of how it might make them seem racist if they argue against. You don’t seem to understand what he’s saying. He’s not even mentioned Zouma’s race. He said why should Zouma be sacked when players aren’t sacked for racism? 2
South Shire Fox Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: You don’t seem to understand what he’s saying. He’s not even mentioned Zouma’s race. He said why should Zouma be sacked when players aren’t sacked for racism? Hes not going to be sacked though is he? Hes been given a paltry 250k, 2 weeks wages fine then started for West Ham 24 hours later. Luis Suarez got an 8 game ban over 10 years ago. Im absolutley certain if the Suarez incident happened in 2022 he’d be punished alot more severely from his club, Premier league etc and that there would be calls from all angles of society for him to be sacked. Antonio is talking complete and utter bollucks trying to deflect from the issue here. Edited 10 February 2022 by South Shire Fox 3
Lambert09 Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: You don’t seem to understand what he’s saying. He’s not even mentioned Zouma’s race. He said why should Zouma be sacked when players aren’t sacked for racism? In truth both should be sackable offences.. same with sexual assault and anything else along those lines. It would be nice if the FA had clear no tolerance rules on any discriminatory (or law breaking) behaviour (within reason) Youd make the sport much more enjoyable because right now it is an utter disgrace. We are getting past the point of coincidence, this is clearly an issue related to the untouchable status they all feel they have. There will always be wrongens, but showing the world that these things are never acceptable could make a huge difference in many households. Football used to be about community and now it is simply anything but.. Edited 10 February 2022 by Lambert09 4
purpleronnie Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 I haven't followed this story as it seems the whole game on and off the field is going down the toilet in this country and i try to avoid reading about it as its just too depressing. But i am somewhat intrigued about how this video was seen by so many people. Did someone film this abuse and they upload it to social media? If they did why would you post such a thing?
purpleronnie Posted 10 February 2022 Posted 10 February 2022 11 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: Yeah his brother posted a video on snapchat. How truly bizarre.
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