Premier League 2021/22 Thread

[fox_up_north]

32 minutes ago, Jaspa said:

 

.. imagine the amount of similarly politically stanced poonani he'll be getting now(if he is so inclined), 

Errrr...I really hope you meant punani because yours is verrrry different

[dsr-burnley]

7 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I'm not so sure that Burnley will survive, Everton & Watford will be playing with desperation & Southampton & Villa are never easy to beat. Personally I would be happy if they went down.

I'm not sure either. But I certainly wouldn't be happy!

 

Look at it this way.  If we (Burnley) stop up, it will almost certainly be because either Everton or Leeds have gone down instead.  Wouldn't that be something to enjoy?  

[lcfcsnow]

[don_danbury]

Is that klopp??

[The Bear]

Just seen the red card. Absolute bullshit. Yellow at worst. VAR gets another one wrong. 

[Footballwipe]

I genuinely have no issue with them showing us what was going on last night. Imagine ten minutes of crowd shots and talking about anything but that. Besides, there were loads of photographers there. Avoid showing him on TV (where, btw, we couldn't see his t-shirt for most of it as he was surrounded) but the photographer's super HD photo of the "NO OIL" t-shirt gets broadcast around the world on social media at the same time.

 

Obviously choices need to be made. If it's a drunk, coked up idiot like the neanderthal at Forest, if they're naked or overly aggressive (maybe both!) or if their cause is one of extreme controversy (something like Israel/Palestine) then it's best to keep it off.

 

You can't deny it wasn't absolutely fascinating TV though. Absolutely compelling.

 

[dsr-burnley]

14 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Just seen the red card. Absolute [deleted]. Yellow at worst. VAR gets another one wrong. 

If you genuinely think that a deliberate foul to stop a promising attack is only possibly yellow, possibly no booking at all, then I have to disagree.  At the very minimum deliberate cheating like that should be yellow, and if I was a ref I would make it red if it could possibly be justified.  

 

The man has two defences if he appeals.  One is that he deliberately kicked the man but he didn't do it very hard; the other is that he deliberately kicked the man but only because he was cheating, not because he wanted to hurt him.  Both are pretty thin arguments.

[NasPb]

13 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

I genuinely have no issue with them showing us what was going on last night. Imagine ten minutes of crowd shots and talking about anything but that. Besides, there were loads of photographers there. Avoid showing him on TV (where, btw, we couldn't see his t-shirt for most of it as he was surrounded) but the photographer's super HD photo of the "NO OIL" t-shirt gets broadcast around the world on social media at the same time.

 

Obviously choices need to be made. If it's a drunk, coked up idiot like the neanderthal at Forest, if they're naked or overly aggressive (maybe both!) or if their cause is one of extreme controversy (something like Israel/Palestine) then it's best to keep it off.

 

You can't deny it wasn't absolutely fascinating TV though. Absolutely compelling.

 

Extreme controversy wouldn't be Israel and Palestine mate... If we can critique the Russian government for their actions in Ukraine and invading we can do the same with Israel.... Or any other country, whether it be Saudi bombings and genocide in Yemen or the government of the CAR and genocide there for example. No one should be untouchable. No government rather. 

[Nalis]

Not a chance of a red for me. Yellow would have been appropriate for a number of reason.

[st albans fox]

18 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

If you genuinely think that a deliberate foul to stop a promising attack is only possibly yellow, possibly no booking at all, then I have to disagree.  At the very minimum deliberate cheating like that should be yellow, and if I was a ref I would make it red if it could possibly be justified.  

 

The man has two defences if he appeals.  One is that he deliberately kicked the man but he didn't do it very hard; the other is that he deliberately kicked the man but only because he was cheating, not because he wanted to hurt him.  Both are pretty thin arguments.

This is fine but the laws are the laws - it was a large stretch to justify giving a red, especially as the on field call was yellow …. The VAR shouldn’t be getting involved in making calls that are a stretch against the on field decision. 

[BKLFox]

Yellow at best, Pawson is so close to the challenge he has the best feel & ability to 'read the room' on if that was an intentional nasty tackle & he deemed it a yellow almost a take 1 for the team yellow.
Yes it was late & he clips him the mere fact it was at speed doesn't warrent it being upgraded & it couldn't be for where he catches him as it was on the foot & barely at that, almost just caught Max under his studs as in Max's studs not square on the foot, shin or knee.

[The Bear]

[dsr-burnley]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

This is fine but the laws are the laws - it was a large stretch to justify giving a red, especially as the on field call was yellow …. The VAR shouldn’t be getting involved in making calls that are a stretch against the on field decision. 

True.  But the laws are wrong IMO.  I can't think of any other sport or game where it's permitted to use illegal methods to stop someone from playing, especially by violent means, with hardly any penalty.  Can you imagine a poker game where you avoid losing a hand by tearing up your opponent's ace?  Perhaps they could take a leaf out of rugby's book and permit the ref to give a penalty for the "this man is beating me so I am going to cheat" sort of foul.

 

If Pawson had sent him off in the first place it would have been less controversial.

Edited 18 March 2022 by dsr-burnley

[st albans fox]

38 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

True.  But the laws are wrong IMO.  I can't think of any other sport or game where it's permitted to use illegal methods to stop someone from playing, especially by violent means, with hardly any penalty.  Can you imagine a poker game where you avoid losing a hand by tearing up your opponent's ace?  Perhaps they could take a leaf out of rugby's book and permit the ref to give a penalty for the "this man is beating me so I am going to cheat" sort of foul.

 

If Pawson had sent him off in the first place it would have been less controversial.

You get a penalty in rugby - if it’s on the edge of your own 22 then it’s not one you’ll score from ! 
 

if you want to argue for a change in the laws then fine but the officials can only deal with the current ones! 

[RowlattsFox]

It falls under excessive force and endangering an opponent doesn't it? Ok, contact with player wasn't that bad but it could've been. 

 

Football is weird, people say you should be sent off for a little slap, or a slight head push but then it shouldn't be a red when a player jumps into a challenge with no intention to win the ball isn't a red. He wanted to stop a counter, then you trip him up or pull him back, take your yellow, not jump in like that. 

 

It 100% should be a red IMO. 

[dsr-burnley]

15 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You get a penalty in rugby - if it’s on the edge of your own 22 then it’s not one you’ll score from ! 

Or a penalty try.  And there would certainly be a sin bin.

[gurru991]

5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

I'm not sure either. But I certainly wouldn't be happy!

 

Look at it this way.  If we (Burnley) stop up, it will almost certainly be because either Everton or Leeds have gone down instead.  Wouldn't that be something to enjoy?  

For me it's about the style & watchability of the teams. Burnley really don't play attractive football and it seems that Dyche considers a nil nil draw is a success.

 

[dsr-burnley]

25 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

For me it's about the style & watchability of the teams. Burnley really don't play attractive football and it seems that Dyche considers a nil nil draw is a success.

 

If you hadn't been otherwise engaged yesterday evening , you might have noticed a certain lack of attractiveness about Everton yesterday.  They were abysmal.

 

A lot of entertainment value is based on how effectively you play the game.  Brighton a few weeks ago were considered an attractive side, but look on their website now.  Their own fans claim to be the dullest side in the league - yes, duller than Burnley!

[Jabfox]

6 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

If you hadn't been otherwise engaged yesterday evening , you might have noticed a certain lack of attractiveness about Everton yesterday.  They were abysmal.

 

A lot of entertainment value is based on how effectively you play the game.  Brighton a few weeks ago were considered an attractive side, but look on their website now.  Their own fans claim to be the dullest side in the league - yes, duller than Burnley!

IMO I would much rather see Everton or Newcastle go down than Burnley. Yes Burnley play relatively uninspiring football but for me I have a much stronger hatred for Everton and now Newcastle especially since their takeover. 

[StanSP]

Allan gets a 3 match ban for his red card. 

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, dsr-burnley said:

If you hadn't been otherwise engaged yesterday evening , you might have noticed a certain lack of attractiveness about Everton yesterday.  They were abysmal.

 

A lot of entertainment value is based on how effectively you play the game.  Brighton a few weeks ago were considered an attractive side, but look on their website now.  Their own fans claim to be the dullest side in the league - yes, duller than Burnley!

I did watch the Everton match & both teams were awful.  I have no problems with Everton getting relegated, they are a terribly run club that feel they can buy themselves of trouble . They have gone through 12 managers since 2016 & I suspect will go through a few more in the near future.

I would rather not see Leeds go down because they do try and play football.

I don't hate Burnley but it would be nice to see them show some more ambition & creativity.

 

[Wymsey]

Roman Abramovich returns to Russia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60749666

[The Bear]

11 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Roman Abramovich returns to Russia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60749666

Good riddance IMO. 

[Muzzy_no7]

As much as I love Wolves’ pre match show, DJ and grade A Banger before and while the players come out it really couldn’t be any more opposite to how their team plays😂. 

[kingkisnorbo]

Allez allez allez is a terrible premise for a chant.