England Euro 2020

[CosbehFox]

12 hours ago, AjcW said:

Bit of a Segway....

 

Just watching the Euro U21 game between Netherlands and Germany.
 

Why do you think countries like this take advantage of those who have gained citizenship but could play for another country, whereas England never seem to? 
 

Case in point Nmecha is capped at U21 level for England but turns out for Germany now. Their striker is Kosovan and they have a Turkish midfielder. 
 

Do you think it’s down to the players? Don’t feel an affinity to the country having been here 5-10 years whereas those in Netherlands/Germany are more patriotic? Or is it the other way round and we are protective over wanting purely “English” players?

Grealish and Rice 

[AjcW]

33 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Grealish and Rice 

Sorry I probably should have been a bit more specific, less lads born in England with Irish grandparents.... more.... players who have lived here for 5 years and haven't been capped at senior level yet. I remember a few years back Manuel Almunia said he'd happily play for England (he was in a bit of form at the time ahead of an international tournament)

 

Reason I ask is you think of the vast amount of overseas talent the likes of Man City and Chelsea have in their youth set ups.... in 5 years will we have 'claimed' any of them like Germany and Holland do, or will they just go off to play for their birth country.

 

Like I say was a bit random, but i'd love to see us be a bit more aggressive in this field, bending the rules a little, capping players at U19/21 level, persuading players etc... would certainly increase the talent pool!

[AjcW]

Another thing I noticed the other night, what has made Graeme Jones so popular in this last season?

 

Obviously most people know him as Roberto Martinez trusted right hand man, but since he left that link up things haven't been as rosey..... until the last season

- Drafted in to save Bournemouth and support an inexperienced manager

- Drafted in to save Newcastle and support a dinosaur

- Selected to be part of England's coaching set up for Euro 2020

 

I thought his stock might have been shot to pieces after his very brief stint as a manager at Luton, but seems to have rescued that remarkably well in the past 6 months.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Sorry I probably should have been a bit more specific, less lads born in England with Irish grandparents.... more.... players who have lived here for 5 years and haven't been capped at senior level yet. I remember a few years back Manuel Almunia said he'd happily play for England (he was in a bit of form at the time ahead of an international tournament)

 

Reason I ask is you think of the vast amount of overseas talent the likes of Man City and Chelsea have in their youth set ups.... in 5 years will we have 'claimed' any of them like Germany and Holland do, or will they just go off to play for their birth country.

 

Like I say was a bit random, but i'd love to see us be a bit more aggressive in this field, bending the rules a little, capping players at U19/21 level, persuading players etc... would certainly increase the talent pool!

There's an agreement between the home nations that any player such as Almunia claiming a British passport on residence are not to be picked. The point being you claim British citizenship as opposed to English/Scottish/Welsh. 

 

Therefore England can only claim players by birth or parentage or settled at an early age.

 

There's examples such as Nketiah, Guehi, Tanganga, Saka, Anjorin where African nations were ready to fully cap these players but they have or did choose to stay as English youth internationals. 

 

Balogun at Arsenal has switched from US to England, Jebbison at Sheff U from Canada to England, Valentino Livamento has turned down Italy repeatedly, Kwadko Baah was born in Germany but is representing England, Karamoko Dembele has switched from Scotland to England, there's a keeper at U17 Poland to England. 

 

We lost out recently on Musiala (Germany), Musah (USA) and Noah Ohio keeps switching (Holland)

 

The FA will literally have a team of staff working on this 

[AjcW]

31 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

There's an agreement between the home nations that any player such as Almunia claiming a British passport on residence are not to be picked. The point being you claim British citizenship as opposed to English/Scottish/Welsh. 

 

Therefore England can only claim players by birth or parentage or settled at an early age.

 

There's examples such as Nketiah, Guehi, Tanganga, Saka, Anjorin where African nations were ready to fully cap these players but they have or did choose to stay as English youth internationals. 

 

Balogun at Arsenal has switched from US to England, Jebbison at Sheff U from Canada to England, Valentino Livamento has turned down Italy repeatedly, Kwadko Baah was born in Germany but is representing England, Karamoko Dembele has switched from Scotland to England, there's a keeper at U17 Poland to England. 

 

We lost out recently on Musiala (Germany), Musah (USA) and Noah Ohio keeps switching (Holland)

 

The FA will literally have a team of staff working on this 

Blimey! Cheers for this, pretty much exactly why I asked the question as I was sure there must be some reason  

[Ric Flair]

58 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Sorry I probably should have been a bit more specific, less lads born in England with Irish grandparents.... more.... players who have lived here for 5 years and haven't been capped at senior level yet. I remember a few years back Manuel Almunia said he'd happily play for England (he was in a bit of form at the time ahead of an international tournament)

 

Reason I ask is you think of the vast amount of overseas talent the likes of Man City and Chelsea have in their youth set ups.... in 5 years will we have 'claimed' any of them like Germany and Holland do, or will they just go off to play for their birth country.

 

Like I say was a bit random, but i'd love to see us be a bit more aggressive in this field, bending the rules a little, capping players at U19/21 level, persuading players etc... would certainly increase the talent pool!

Raheem Sterling? 

[Super_horns]

2 hours ago, Foxy_Bear said:

I mean..... to be fair, its hard to say "aw poor England have injuries" when we (Scotland) might be losing 6 players to Covid. 

They will be ok by a week Saturday won’t they ?

[walkerleeds]

2 hours ago, Foxy_Bear said:

I mean..... to be fair, its hard to say "aw poor England have injuries" when we (Scotland) might be losing 6 players to Covid. 

 

Yeah  but Scotland will get 0 points regardless so no one really cares about them.

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

Yeah  but Scotland will get 0 points regardless so no one really cares about them.

I’d bite your hand off for a scrappy, undeserved 1-0 win for England against them right now.

[Dan.Reynolds]

Anyone got a decent wall chart that i can print off for the office at work?

 

 

[Vacamion]

18 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

Yeah  but Scotland will get 0 points regardless so no one really cares about them.

 

I say this as an England fan who.lives up here, Scotland are as good as they've been in years.

 

I wouldn't be writing them off.

 

 

 

[Scotch]

23 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

Yeah  but Scotland will get 0 points regardless so no one really cares about them.

...and that's why everyone hates England mate. 

[Scotch]

29 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

They will be ok by a week Saturday won’t they ?

As long as tests come back OK. We SHOULD be cool. Fleck will probably miss out but of all the players concerned, he was probably the one who would have saw least action. 

[Duquesne Whistle]

33 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

I say this as an England fan who.lives up here, Scotland are as good as they've been in years.

 

I wouldn't be writing them off.

 

 

 

Their improvement is obvious, defence looks like it may be their Achilles heel but nothing wrong with the midfield or attack. Scotland made it difficult for us in 96 and the whole balance of the game rested on Gary Mac's penalty, they always have an extra spring in their step against England.

I genuinely think any combination of the 4 teams could qualify from this group, the Czechs and Croatia aren't what they were, but both are stuffy teams. I don't think it's going to be a cakewalk for England, I'm hoping they prove me wrong.

Good luck up there if they beat us  Another reason to work from home.... 

[Duquesne Whistle]

34 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

As long as tests come back OK. We SHOULD be cool. Fleck will probably miss out but of all the players concerned, he was probably the one who would have saw least action. 

I know he's only just been integrated into the squad, but do you think Adams should start up front? Would be a little harsh on Dykes, but Adams gives you something extra I think. Decent striker Adams.

[Scotch]

10 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

I know he's only just been integrated into the squad, but do you think Adams should start up front? Would be a little harsh on Dykes, but Adams gives you something extra I think. Decent striker Adams.

I would personally play them both. 

 

No way Dykes is dropped. The difference in us that you've mentioned is mainly down to him. His link up and hold up play is excellent but he won't get to many goals so I think Adams could be a good partner for him. 

 

Ofcourse this means we would lose that #10 of Armstrong or Christie but I think the 3 CMs of Mctominay, Mcgregor and Mcginn offers enough balance to offset that with the latter picking up that space behind the strikers. 

 

Like you said, our main concern is defence. Left side is good with Robertson as LWB and Tierney offering something different at LCB but what you gain in KT playing there in ability on the ball, you lose in physicality and height so the other two CBs will need to be big and strong. Grant Hanley and Cooper from Leeds are probably most likely. RWB is a toss up between you Patterson from Rangers who looks to have amazing potential and O'Donnell who is a bit more experienced. I personally would prefer the former as he's better going forward. 

Edited 4 June 2021 by Foxy_Bear

[walkerleeds]

42 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

...and that's why everyone hates England mate. 

 

I'm only messing. Have had a bit of a wedge on Czech Republic to finish bottom of the group and think England will have a really tough time actually.

[Scotch]

3 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

I'm only messing. Have had a bit of a wedge on Czech Republic to finish bottom of the group and think England will have a really tough time actually.

Apologies for the nippy response. You brought out my inner Willie Wallace. 

[purpleronnie]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

 

I say this as an England fan who.lives up here, Scotland are as good as they've been in years.

 

I wouldn't be writing them off.

 

 

 

Me neither, I wouldn't be surprised if we struggle against them.

[Duquesne Whistle]

5 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

I would personally play them both. 

 

No way Dykes is dropped. The difference in us that you've mentioned is mainly down to him. His link up and hold up play is excellent but he won't get to many goals so I think Adams could be a good partner for him. 

 

Ofcourse this means we would lose that #10 of Armstrong or Christie but I think the 3 CMs of Mctominay, Mcgregor and Mcginn offers enough balance to offset that with the latter picking up that space behind the strikers. 

 

Like you said, our main concern is defence. Left side is good with Robertson as LWB and Tierney offering something different at LCB but what you gain in KT playing there in ability on the ball, you lose in physicality and height so the other two CBs will need to be big and strong. Grant Hanley and Cooper from Leeds are probably most likely. RWB is a toss up between you Patterson from Rangers who looks to have amazing potential and O'Donnell who is a bit more experienced. I personally would prefer the former as he's better going forward. 

I genuinely haven't seen enough of the games to be dropping Dykes, probably just a bad shout by me, that one.

Playing both would certainly give you a lot more to keep opposition defences occupied. I'm a big fan of Armstrong though and I'd want him in my team, but, if the balance is better with Adams and Dykes together, no one is indispensable I suppose. Patterson does look a prospect too and Gilmour is gaining experience. The 3 Macs in the middle make for a pretty good midfield. Clarke has certainly added something to the set up.

I'm more than a little concerned about our match, depending on the first set of results, you could almost knock us out on our own patch. I wouldn't enjoy that very much tbh.

[Scotch]

It's hard to say that Dykes and Adams have a good balance, they've barely played together but playing the two is probably wishful thinking in my part. We won't want to lose that Armstrong role and opt to pack the midfield since its our strength. although I think Christie is preferred over Armstrong by Clarke.  

 

I honestly don't hold up any expectation of getting anything against England. I just want us to give you a half decent game. 

 

In all honesty, I can maybe see us beating the Czechs and thats about it for us but if we did smuggle another point from somewhere, we would actually be in with a shout of qualification as a best placed 3rd but sadly enough, we are just happy to be part of it. 

[Bert]

1 hour ago, Dan.Reynolds said:

Anyone got a decent wall chart that i can print off for the office at work?

 

 

I bet they’ll be some in the red tops sometime in the next few days. 
 

There’s one in the mirror tomorrow. 
 

Don’t know if this is any good to you? 

[Duquesne Whistle]

11 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

It's hard to say that Dykes and Adams have a good balance, they've barely played together but playing the two is probably wishful thinking in my part. We won't want to lose that Armstrong role and opt to pack the midfield since its our strength. although I think Christie is preferred over Armstrong by Clarke.  

 

I honestly don't hold up any expectation of getting anything against England. I just want us to give you a half decent game. 

 

In all honesty, I can maybe see us beating the Czechs and thats about it for us but if we did smuggle another point from somewhere, we would actually be in with a shout of qualification as a best placed 3rd but sadly enough, we are just happy to be part of it. 

I may have this wrong, but I thought there were four 3rd placed finishers qualify for the round of 16. If that's the case, one win might be enough for a couple of teams to advance. Haven't checked though. 

 

The last 9 words of your post should be the way all supporters of all countries feel. It gets lost sometimes when your own mob disappoints at a finals, that's natural I suppose. During the 80's and 90's, it was bliss just being there after watching on in 1974 and 1978. For you, it may have been bliss had you missed out on '78  Though, then you would never have had Archie's goal. Swings and roundabouts.

 

Cheers for the replies. I'll take this opportunity to wish you good luck, as we're still a few days away, but I will be draped in full morris dancing regalia come the 18th June!

[Scotch]

30 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

I may have this wrong, but I thought there were four 3rd placed finishers qualify for the round of 16. If that's the case, one win might be enough for a couple of teams to advance. Haven't checked though. 

 

The last 9 words of your post should be the way all supporters of all countries feel. It gets lost sometimes when your own mob disappoints at a finals, that's natural I suppose. During the 80's and 90's, it was bliss just being there after watching on in 1974 and 1978. For you, it may have been bliss had you missed out on '78  Though, then you would never have had Archie's goal. Swings and roundabouts.

 

Cheers for the replies. I'll take this opportunity to wish you good luck, as we're still a few days away, but I will be draped in full morris dancing regalia come the 18th June!

I was 12 or 13 in 98 so that's my only real memory of a comp. Before that it was Gazzas goal in the 96 playoffs.... I cried. 

[UniFox21]

Listened to a radio pundit this morning describe Southgate using Bellingham as a "wild card" because few teams will know what he's about. 

A player having stared in the Champions league and the Bundesliga isn't an "unknown asset"