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England Euro 2020

By Bert, in General Football and Sport

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davieG

davieG

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2 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I'm no Southgate fan but I don't know who they would get in his place. I see no obvious replacement - not that I'm using that as a sole justification to keep him.

You only have to view this thread to see the problem.

 

In the past there was more choice because there were English managers that had had a successful career and the England Manager role would be the pinnacle of their achievements although even then they weren't all that successful. Now you'd be looking at someone who managed to keep a team midtable or at best sneak into the Europa League and so there's be a complete absence of the experience of playing teams from Europe.

filbertway

filbertway

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18 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:

I'm just worried that a lucky run to the semi's will give us another 4 years of Southgate. 

 

Would anybody take getting binned out at the group stage just to ensure it meant a new manager? 

Not when something like this only comes around once every 2 years. Add to the fact that the FA will just bring in another boring safe pair of hands. I'd hope he can fluke a lucky run of fixtures and the players can get a result despite his horrific tactics.

walkerleeds

walkerleeds

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Would love to see:

 

Foden/ Grealish ----- Kane ----- Sancho

 

               Mount -----          ----- Bellingham

                                  Rice 

 

Obviously never going to happen, but one can dream.

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Dan

Dan

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1 hour ago, davieG said:

You only have to view this thread to see the problem.

 

In the past there was more choice because there were English managers that had had a successful career and the England Manager role would be the pinnacle of their achievements although even then they weren't all that successful. Now you'd be looking at someone who managed to keep a team midtable or at best sneak into the Europa League and so there's be a complete absence of the experience of playing teams from Europe.

I don't think it's got the same pull it had once upon a time as a job either.

 

I had a bit of optimism going into Russia and wasn't surprised we went quite far (admittedly lucky draws helped massively). I've little optimism this time. I think it's a round of 16 exit, we'll win our group and crash out to whoever we run into. We've not beat a 'big' team in a tournament since 2002.

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Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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Just now, Dan LCFC said:

I don't think it's got the same pull it had once upon a time as a job either.

 

I had a bit of optimism going into Russia and wasn't surprised we went quite far (admittedly lucky draws helped massively). I've little optimism this time. I think it's a round of 16 exit, we'll win our group and crash out to whoever we run into. We've not beat a 'big' team in a tournament since 2002.

Once upon a time, a manager as good as Clough couldn't get it. Despite openly wanting it and having most of the England fans behind him. Can you imagine someone as 'current' as he was then wanting it now? A twice European cup winner and league winner. That's like Guardiola, Tuchel or Klopp taking it. Just wouldn't happen. It's such a poisoned chalice, very little praise unless you make at least a semi final, even then you're criticised if you don't make the final (I'm not specifically referring to Southgate there, just anyone).

 

If things go to plan, we've got the opposite of our World cup route, which was a reasonably decent draw. France, Portugal or Germany in the first knock out is not great at all and I agree that we'd be underdogs against any of those (except with UK bookies). I'm not optimistic either.

davieG

davieG

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3 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Once upon a time, a manager as good as Clough couldn't get it. Despite openly wanting it and having most of the England fans behind him. Can you imagine someone as 'current' as he was then wanting it now? A twice European cup winner and league winner. That's like Guardiola, Tuchel or Klopp taking it. Just wouldn't happen. It's such a poisoned chalice, very little praise unless you make at least a semi final, even then you're criticised if you don't make the final (I'm not specifically referring to Southgate there, just anyone).

 

If things go to plan, we've got the opposite of our World cup route, which was a reasonably decent draw. France, Portugal or Germany in the first knock out is not great at all and I agree that we'd be underdogs against any of those (except with UK bookies). I'm not optimistic either.

What's the chances of an English manager wining anything domestically, The SL 6 would never take a chance on them unless they were ex-players or they'd won something it's Catch 22. Even then English ex-players are becoming rarer. 

Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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15 minutes ago, davieG said:

What's the chances of an English manager wining anything domestically, The SL 6 would never take a chance on them unless they were ex-players or they'd won something it's Catch 22. Even then English ex-players are becoming rarer. 

Pretty much zero. 

There hasn't been a whole lot of choice with that criteria anyway has there? Even before continental managers became commonplace. Not from 1970 onwards anyway. Revie (we all know what happened), Clough (wouldn't give it to him), Paisley (Would never have left Liverpool), Ron Saunders (dunno, was he ever in the frame? I don't remember) and Howard Wilkinson (who bored us all a bit when he had it, from memory). That's it. From 1971 until now for English league winning managers. It's not a knew thing really. Sure, some managers won the odd cup, but not many of them either. Only Redknapp in the last 25 years.

Lampard was given his chance at a big club, way too early as it seems. The cupboard has been pretty bare for the last 50 years, not just the last 20.

davieG

davieG

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6 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Pretty much zero. 

There hasn't been a whole lot of choice with that criteria anyway has there? Even before continental managers became commonplace. Not from 1970 onwards anyway. Revie (we all know what happened), Clough (wouldn't give it to him), Paisley (Would never have left Liverpool), Ron Saunders (dunno, was he ever in the frame? I don't remember) and Howard Wilkinson (who bored us all a bit when he had it, from memory). That's it. From 1971 until now for English league winning managers. It's not a knew thing really. Sure, some managers won the odd cup, but not many of them either. Only Redknapp in the last 25 years.

Lampard was given his chance at a big club, way too early as it seems. The cupboard has been pretty bare for the last 50 years, not just the last 20.

We'll probably end up with Lampard & Gerrard sharing it, hmm that sounds familiar.

Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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2 hours ago, Corky said:

Clough not getting it wasn't down to ability, though? Surely it was his abrasive style?

Yes, that's correct. Should it matter though?

If Portugal thought Mourinho was a good fit, they wouldn't care about his abrasive style, why did we? Clough made a silk purse from a set of sow's ears at Notts Forest, yet we wouldn't let him near the cream of English players. Instead, we had Revie, who may possibly have been a good appointment, but suffered constant interference from the head of the FA, subsequently failed to qualify for the World cup and left in disgrace to take over with the UAE national team. He was followed by Ron Greenwood, a typical FA appointment and 5 wasted years. 

We just never learn the lessons of failures past and it gets disappointing when you seen it for 50 years.

 

Sorry btw, that was a long answer to a pretty simple question. Sometimes you just have to get things off your chest though. 

davieG

davieG

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Leicester City title-winner part of BBC Euro 2020 team
The full-back will leave the club at the end of his contract after six years as a City player.

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/125788-england-euro-2020/page/12/?tab=comments#comment-6008833
ByAmie Wilson
18:26, 2 JUN 2021
SPORT

Leicester City’s departing full-back Christian Fuchs may be leaving the club this summer but it won’t be the last fans hear from him over the next few weeks.

It was announced prior to the final game of the season that both Fuchs and club captain Wes Morgan have played for the club for the final time, with Morgan announcing his retirement from the game and Fuchs expected to head over to America to be with his family.

Leicester City's Christian Fuchs.
Fuchs has been with the club since the summer of 2015, and played a key role in the title-winning campaign, playing 32 Premier League games that season.


The Austrian signed a new one-year deal last summer, taking him to six seasons with the club, but found game time hard to come by behind the likes of Luke Thomas, James Justin and Timothy Castagne who all played the left-back role throughout the season.

Fuchs signed off his time at the club in the perfect way, being part of the squad who was the first ever to lift the FA Cup in the club’s history.

The full-back was involved in Austria’s last European Championships campaign, playing all three group games, but announced his international retirement after the tournament.

But, he will now still be involved in the upcoming European Championships, being part of the BBC Radio Five Live team over the competition.

 

The BBC say Fuchs will “provide his guide to the rest of Europe and will be a regular throughout the tournament.”

The defender played a total of 152 times for City during his time at the club and sent a message to fans following the announcement of his departure.

“All I want to say is that I’m not a person who wants to say goodbye, not at all,” he told the club’s website. “I’m very convinced our paths will cross several times in the future. I feel very connected to the Club, so see you later!”

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Corky

Corky

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2 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Yes, that's correct. Should it matter though?

If Portugal thought Mourinho was a good fit, they wouldn't care about his abrasive style, why did we? Clough made a silk purse from a set of sow's ears at Notts Forest, yet we wouldn't let him near the cream of English players. Instead, we had Revie, who may possibly have been a good appointment, but suffered constant interference from the head of the FA, subsequently failed to qualify for the World cup and left in disgrace to take over with the UAE national team. He was followed by Ron Greenwood, a typical FA appointment and 5 wasted years. 

We just never learn the lessons of failures past and it gets disappointing when you seen it for 50 years.

 

Sorry btw, that was a long answer to a pretty simple question. Sometimes you just have to get things off your chest though. 

That's fine, no need to apologise.

 

In the past we've certainly turned down quality managers, now we just don't have any really.

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Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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4 hours ago, davieG said:

We'll probably end up with Lampard & Gerrard sharing it, hmm that sounds familiar.

Let the 'golden generation' of English managers begin. 

Gerrard has actually done a good job at Rangers, to be fair to him. Managing either of the old firm twins is not the cakewalk some think it is and doesn't suit everybody. Hopefully, Gerrard will be one English manager who will make it to the top, but it's still a long climb from where he is. Lampard looked completely out of his depth.

StanSP

StanSP

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I can't work out the starting formation.

 

3ATB with Trippier as a CB? 

Or back 4 with TAA as RB and Trippier at LB? Saka as a winger perhaps?

davieG

davieG

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22 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Yes, that's correct. Should it matter though?

If Portugal thought Mourinho was a good fit, they wouldn't care about his abrasive style, why did we? Clough made a silk purse from a set of sow's ears at Notts Forest, yet we wouldn't let him near the cream of English players. Instead, we had Revie, who may possibly have been a good appointment, but suffered constant interference from the head of the FA, subsequently failed to qualify for the World cup and left in disgrace to take over with the UAE national team. He was followed by Ron Greenwood, a typical FA appointment and 5 wasted years. 

We just never learn the lessons of failures past and it gets disappointing when you seen it for 50 years.

 

Sorry btw, that was a long answer to a pretty simple question. Sometimes you just have to get things off your chest though. 

Joe Mercer was good, a breath of fresh after the turgid and somewhat violent end to Ramsey's reign. Shame he was only temporary.

 

Just found this - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/oct/11/forgotten-story-joe-mercer-england-manager - The forgotten story of … England under Joe Mercer

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Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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6 minutes ago, davieG said:

Joe Mercer was good, a breath of fresh after the turgid and somewhat violent end to Ramsey's reign. Shame he was only temporary.

 

Just found this - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/oct/11/forgotten-story-joe-mercer-england-manager - The forgotten story of … England under Joe Mercer

There was a lot in there I didn't know, good read that.

The FA have really never covered themselves in glory.

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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Not a lingaard fanboy, but why leave him out of the euros? He’s basically rejuvenated West Ham and must be one of the most inform English midfielders . Seems a bit daft from Southgate the defender 

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