Tackling racism on social media

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Sometimes you need to control stuff like the Chinese do, because when it comes to racism having a liberal approach where govt does nothing (and possibly incited…) doesn’t seem to be working very well!

Education not oppression is the only answer.

[David Hankey]

24 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

To say it's solved nothing is probably fair, but I think missing the point. It's not being done to solve anything, it's being done to raise awareness. The fact you think it's inflamed the situation suggests that it is raising awareness. It's forcing the issue, and to be honest Mings' critique on Patel is pretty pertinent and wouldn't have been prompted without the gesture.

 

I hope it continues, I hope we continue to support it as a club, and I hope more and more people wake up to the fact that if you can't understand why they are doing it, then just maybe, you might be a part of the problem.

How can you say I am part of the problem when you know so little about me and because I dared to say something different? Remember, you have your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

2 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

How can you say I am part of the problem when you know so little about me and because I dared to say something different? Remember, you have your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

He has an opinion. You just don't like it. He's entitled to it.

[Guest bennytwohats]

9 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

How can you say I am part of the problem when you know so little about me and because I dared to say something different? Remember, you have your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

If you read again I hope you'll see that this isn't what I said.

[Blue ROI]

One thing that I noticed about Sunday was looking at the Sweet Caroline signing in the stadium was that the England support looked a lot more diverse than it did 20-25 years ago.

 

From personal experience I don't believe it's quite as intimidating as it once was.

 

It certainly hasn't been any issue on my trips to a Leicester game in recent years. Theres been 3 lairy drink related issues I can think of but zero racism.

 

Maybe it helps that we have a decent amount of black players in the squad. Indeed if you take the coming season you could have a majority in the first 11 and likely to be the first to be used as subs.

 

It's a far cry from the mid 90s when we were a largely 'white' club.

 

It may well be different in certain parts of Britain but I think as bad as the last 48 hours have been Footballs reputation whilst not perfect compares favorably overall.

 

From experience there is still the undercurrent of yobbish hothead drunk that rears its ugly head from time to time (Madrid 2017 for instance) undoubtedly.  Wembley was a disaster on that front but they were caught napping a bit with Covid. I'd say when things do return to normal the lessons of Sunday will be learned like the hooligan response of the 80s/90s. There was so much about it that was toxic that action needs to be taken.

 

[David Hankey]

17 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

He has an opinion. You just don't like it. He's entitled to it.

Just as he doesn't like mine!!

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

6 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Just as he doesn't like mine!!

and you're calling him out for calling you out for something he doesn't like because you don't like it!!! 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

38 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Education not oppression is the only answer.

Yea bit of education as well

[David Hankey]

4 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

and you're calling him out for calling you out for something he doesn't like because you don't like it!!! 

I don't really know what this has got to do with you. It was stated that if I didn't understand why they are doing this maybe I might be part of the problem, hogwash!!

 

I fully understand about raising the awareness but as I say I believe the problem is getting worse, you only have to look at tirade of abuse after last Sunday's game to understand that.

[Sly]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Yea bit of education as well

It needs tackling from multiple points really. Education, oppression etc

 

I’d be all up for making offenders undertake community service. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

14 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

I don't really know what this has got to do with you. It was stated that if I didn't understand why they are doing this maybe I might be part of the problem, hogwash!!

 

I fully understand about raising the awareness but as I say I believe the problem is getting worse, you only have to look at tirade of abuse after last Sunday's game to understand that.

Its just more visible now. Its been bad for a while there's just been mass ignorance on it. I include myself in that.

[Bert]

It’s simple really. Just don’t say anything racist. It’s that easy. I don’t get what people get out of it. 
 

[Sly]

As a club, I’d like to think we’re largely more multicultural than others. Stereotypically, I’d like to think we’re not as “bad”. 
 

Maybe blind optimism. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Bert said:

It’s simple really. Just don’t say anything racist. It’s that easy. I don’t get what people get out of it. 
 

Because some people wants to belong or stand out or just lack any concept of empathy

 

edit: generational racism is also a thing 

Edited 13 July 2021 by Dahnsouff

[purpleronnie]

 

 

 

Certainly gives you hope.

[UniFox21]

 

Personally don't agree with this, given racism is a world wide problem. 

 

 

[Guest bennytwohats]

5 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

I don't really know what this has got to do with you. It was stated that if I didn't understand why they are doing this maybe I might be part of the problem, hogwash!!

 

I fully understand about raising the awareness but as I say I believe the problem is getting worse, you only have to look at tirade of abuse after last Sunday's game to understand that.

If you understand why they are doing it then my comment clearly doesn't apply to you. You're persisting with saying I called you part of the problem and I've highlighted my comment was more nuanced, but you're preferring to complain about other people getting involved than acknowledge that.

 

But I am confused - you say the racism is getting worse and it seems your solution to that is that people should stop protesting about racism. How will that help make things better? The tirade of abuse towards black players has been happening for a long time - way before they started taking the knee, that kind of thing is why they're taking the knee.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

 

2 hours ago, David Hankey said:

"Taking a knee", irrespective of what Mings's opinion is, is a gesture. This act, another import from the US, has solved absolutely nothing, in fact, the problem is worse now than ever before. It could be argued that it has inflamed the situation.

Players are doing it to raise awareness to try and combat the problem. They’ve told us this countless times. You’ve criticised it and many others who do, don’t really suggest a sensible alternative. I don’t understand how people can be so against something but provide no alternative to it. Players, fans etc. Are tired of the racist abuse, they want to stamp it out, if you’ve got the energy to call out “the knee” come forward with the alternative. Or shut up.

[indierich06]

On 12/07/2021 at 16:45, Jon the Hat said:

I simply don't believe they cannot build some Machine learning tech to scan for racism and auto ban anyone who posts it.  

As someone who works in social, they absolutely can. They could set up filters for a longlist of keywords and stop people posting them, same for emojis. I've no idea why they don't.

 

I could literally log on to one of my work tools now and find every Twitter account in the world posting racial slurs/monkey emojis to Rashford, Saka and Sancho in approx 5 mins. 

[David Hankey]

22 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

Players are doing it to raise awareness to try and combat the problem. They’ve told us this countless times. You’ve criticised it and many others who do, don’t really suggest a sensible alternative. I don’t understand how people can be so against something but provide no alternative to it. Players, fans etc. Are tired of the racist abuse, they want to stamp it out, if you’ve got the energy to call out “the knee” come forward with the alternative. Or shut up.

Why should I "shut up" because I have a particular opinion? It is not up to me to come up with an alternative as all I have done is expressed my opinion which I am entitled to do.

 

If I do, will you?

[enmac]

2 hours ago, David Hankey said:

"Taking a knee", irrespective of what Mings's opinion is, is a gesture. This act, another import from the US, has solved absolutely nothing, in fact, the problem is worse now than ever before. It could be argued that it has inflamed the situation.

Wrong. It's brought racism to the surface. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Why should I "shut up" because I have a particular opinion? It is not up to me to come up with an alternative as all I have done is expressed my opinion which I am entitled to do.

 

If I do, will you?

So racism isn't a problem and we should ignore it? And we should stop taking the knee because it really triggers you?

[Wymsey]

Unfortunately, racism will still prevail - it's like killing weeds; they'll keep on returning in some form.

 

But punishments for such incidents should be less lenient.

[David Hankey]

3 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So racism isn't a problem and we should ignore it? And we should stop taking the knee because it really triggers you?

You're being stupid now. "Isn't a problem" and "should ignore it" who has said that? I guess it's past your bedtime.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

12 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Why should I "shut up" because I have a particular opinion? It is not up to me to come up with an alternative as all I have done is expressed my opinion which I am entitled to do.

 

If I do, will you?

No, your opinion is on something that is a problem. Whether you like it or not. Your response is, you need to stop doing that. But with no alternative as to what they can do. So essentially suggesting that they should just accept it. Why should they ? Don’t criticise something when the bigger issue is far greater then you. Don’t criticise something which effects people in many ways. These players have told people on countless occasions why they do it, it’s a commendable cause. 
 

So yes, I’ll stand by them for the cause because it’s big enough and will respect the opinion of those who suggest alternatives. Not those who point blank shoot it down. Take it how you want.