Tackling racism on social media

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

Blaming racism in this country on foreigners. Are you an ostrich? 

Erm, i wasn't, so i'm not. It was a response to what someone posted about what Southgate had said about non-uk racist comments and i was suggesting that blocking non-uk traffic would stop that happenning. See the problem with ostriches is that they don't see things so consequently they come to the wrong conclusions.

[yorkie1999]

52 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

How does VPN help you get a UK verified account?

It doesn't, unless the point of anonyminity has changed.

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, Adrian said:

we didn't attend 'dont be a rascist thug' class in the 80's but i do remember an assembley where the maths teacher..rather than confuse me with largely irrelevant facts about hypoable triangles, he gave a talk about how life will be a constant battle with our own hate...

I think the main difference between then and now is, then, the people who were mainly guilty of racism marched the streets with skin heads, doc martins and with NF flags so you kinda knew who to avoid, nowadays it seems every man and his dog with a phone could potentially be guilty of racism. Although, if i'm remember correctly, there was always a lot of trouble round Leicester and Birmingham with black people and asians.  

[Bablemikey]

Social media is providing a platform of course, but is it not a reflection of how decency is sinking and the rising tide is one of hatred & bigotry? I'm nearly 60 and I can't remember a time when it felt like society was crumbling like this, and it feels like we are being propelled towards something very dark and sinister. I think the last 5 years or so have been very bad for many nations, including ourselves, and the trajectory is frightening.

I honestly don't know how we can pull out of this nosedive I feel we're in, but zero tolerance of bigotry is a start I'd make and I'd be looking firstly at those who claim to be leaders of our nation.

[Dahnsouff]

On 12/07/2021 at 16:19, goose2010 said:

surely the first step is verification on accounts. If any one has ever opened an online gambling account you know what you have to do. They can confirm who you are and where you live. 

 

IT takes about 5 minutes max. 

 

It surely is a starting point? 1 Account per person. 

For the majority this would work, but anonymity is helpful for those who are worried about being traced, like those who suffer domestic abuse. It’s a tough problem.

[Duquesne Whistle]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

It doesn't, unless the point of anonyminity has changed.

I think I once had that ice cream flavour in Milan. Wasn't sure what I was buying, looked liked pistachio tbh.

[enmac]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

How does VPN help you get a UK verified account?

https://www.techradar.com/uk/vpn/change-location-with-a-vpn

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

I think I once had that ice cream flavour in Milan. Wasn't sure what I was buying, looked liked pistachio tbh.

Oh yeah, didn't spot that. very nice, very refreshing.

[enmac]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Erm, i wasn't, so i'm not. It was a response to what someone posted about what Southgate had said about non-uk racist comments and i was suggesting that blocking non-uk traffic would stop that happenning. See the problem with ostriches is that they don't see things so consequently they come to the wrong conclusions.

Soz. Hadn't read previous posts. 

[Sly]

The social media companies are totally irresponsible in how they operate / react to any form of discrimination. It isn’t unsormountable for social media companies to sort this out. 
 

More than one way to a skin a cat! 

 

1. Ask all registered / new users to verify who they are. Lots of other online companies manage it.

 

then …..
 

2. They filter out words and abbreviations of words that are offensive. These are then flagged for moderators to review. 
 

Any one caught discriminating, gets added to an accessible register for “X” years, then prospective employers can access this and choose not to employ them. Surely some of the noddles will then feel a direct impact in the pocket long term. 
 

I think these sections of society have always been present. Social media just gives them a platform to voice comments and statements that 99% of the world don’t agree with or won’t tolerate. 
 

It’s not just racism that shouldn’t be tolerated. Ageism, disability, Sexual orientation, parental status, religion, pregnant people, sexual, hair colour etc 

 

People stating that “sticks and stones, can break my bones….l”, is an old school way of thinking. People shouldn’t need to tolerate any form of harassment, as it can have a long term direct impact on someone’s mental well-being. 

Edited 13 July 2021 by Sly

[Christoph]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

The social media companies are totally irresponsible in how they operate / react to any form of discrimination. It isn’t unsormountable for social media companies to sort this out. 
 

More than one way to a skin a cat! 

 

1. Ask all registered / new users to verify who they are. Lots of other online companies manage it.

 

then …..
 

2. They filter out words and abbreviations of words that are offensive. These are then flagged for moderators to review. 
 

Any one caught discriminating, gets added to an accessible register for “X” years, then prospective employers can access this and choose not to employ them. Surely some of the noddles will then feel a direct impact in the pocket long term. 
 

I think these sections of society have always been present. Social media just gives them a platform to voice comments and statements that 99% of the world don’t agree with or won’t tolerate. 

I understand the point your trying to make but it sounds very Chinese government lol.

[Guest bennytwohats]

Not social media, but felt this was pretty relevant to some of the conversations.
https://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-the-sun-saka-rashford-sancho-sterling

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

Yet you're talking about and racism is brought into the spotlight. We're all talking about it. They should keep doing it.

 

Support is growing for it over time - people are allowed to change their minds, that's good and that's progress.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

What it achieves is forcing people such as yourself to face an issue you would much rather ignore

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

6 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

Not social media, but felt this was pretty relevant to some of the conversations.
https://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-the-sun-saka-rashford-sancho-sterling

As much as I hate the sun....as the article says if the sun are backing it then maybe the footballers are winning the debate.

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

I agree that it's not very effective at making people like you realise how out of touch you've become, but it might make younger generations grow up to not be so fragile about people peacefully drawing attention to injustice.

[David Hankey]

"Taking a knee", irrespective of what Mings's opinion is, is a gesture. This act, another import from the US, has solved absolutely nothing, in fact, the problem is worse now than ever before. It could be argued that it has inflamed the situation.

Edited 13 July 2021 by David Hankey

[RowlattsFox]

It's far too easy to abuse someone on social media, regardless of whether it's racism or other kinds. Footballers (and others) receive abuse of all kinds every week from people who just don't care. If they get banned, they just create another account. A lot of it is attention seeking and hoping to get a reaction. It wouldn't have been racial of course but I have no doubt that if Kane, Maguire or Chilwell (I know he wouldn't have taken one but was just thinking of easy online targets) had missed their social media would've been full of abuse, and i doubt they would have received much support in the media. Racial abuse is different of course and I don't mean to play it down compared to other abuse but the point I'm making is social media need to stop abuse full stop. 

 

Other than removing themselves all together, or at the very least removing comments and only receive messages from contacts (I'm sure they can do that?) I'm not sure what can be done. 

 

Social media has created a huge problem. 

[Guest bennytwohats]

1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

As much as I hate the sun....as the article says if the sun are backing it then maybe the footballers are winning the debate.

It will be interesting to see if this is a genuine change that continues, or if this is them just pandering to the current public mood. I certainly hope the former but am not holding my breath.

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

"Taking a knee", irrespective of what Mings's opinion is, is a gesture. This act, another import from the US, has solved absolutely nothing, in fact, the problem is worse now than ever before. It could be argued that it has inflamed the situation.

The problem isn't worse, the problem has gained a larger audience and a greater awareness and consequently a greater condemnation.  

[Guest bennytwohats]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

"Taking a knee", irrespective of what Mings's opinion is, is a gesture. This act, another import from the US, has solved absolutely nothing, in fact, the problem is worse now than ever before. It could be argued that it has inflamed the situation.

To say it's solved nothing is probably fair, but I think missing the point. It's not being done to solve anything, it's being done to raise awareness. The fact you think it's inflamed the situation suggests that it is raising awareness. It's forcing the issue, and to be honest Mings' critique on Patel is pretty pertinent and wouldn't have been prompted without the gesture.

 

I hope it continues, I hope we continue to support it as a club, and I hope more and more people wake up to the fact that if you can't understand why they are doing it, then just maybe, you might be a part of the problem.

[Zear0]

26 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Taking the so salled "knee" achieves NOTHING. It merely provokes theirmto dig their heels in even more, and make matters worse. Talk about digging your own grave.

It's non-violent protest, the fact this doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion here and you've raised it, yet again, is further evidence of your "views".

 

Having a period of silence or applause for deaths and memorial services doesn't achieve a great deal either. It just highlights an issue to give people time to reflect on it.

 

I suspect those so anti-kneeling would be the most appaled if people booed the last post or minutes silence for armistice day. Please confirm? 

 

I hope they continue with the knee and make more of a deal out of it after the last few days at Wembley, Social Media and here. 

Edited 13 July 2021 by Zear0
Added last para

[Sly]

36 minutes ago, Christoph said:

I understand the point your trying to make but it sounds very Chinese government lol.

I’m not sure it is. 
 

Discrimination is an offence and one that often goes unpunished. People don’t sit there with a criminal record. The social media companies can’t make it law, however they can expose those to the wider public that hold these views. 
 

An extreme situation, needs an extreme reaction. 

Edited 13 July 2021 by Sly

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

41 minutes ago, Christoph said:

I understand the point your trying to make but it sounds very Chinese government lol.

Sometimes you need to control stuff like the Chinese do, because when it comes to racism having a liberal approach where govt does nothing (and possibly incited…) doesn’t seem to be working very well!

Edited 13 July 2021 by Wasyls Pec Deck