Tackling racism on social media

[z-layrex]

Can we please just chuck all social media in the bin? I'm convinced Instagram is actually ruining the world and turning everyone into a narcissistic lunatic with a totally warped view on life, especially young women.

Edited 12 July 2021 by z-layrex

[ozleicester]

13 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

UK verified accounts only.

racist 

 

[ozleicester]

Neo-capitalism has allowed the tech companies to simply profit without responsibility.

Until governments act to enforce responsibilities on them, they will do next to nothing.

Governments will do nothing because they are scared of them



 

[ozleicester]

6 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

This is pointless.

 

When you have a racist government and press nothing will change.

 

The right wing media know that they can control government policy and who is in government if they appeal to a core of the country that they keep angry, xenophobic and uninformed.  These are the owners of the sun, telegraph, daily mail, express.

 

They keep the country racist and the UK government will dare not deviate from that agenda otherwise they will lose power.

 

Until we get rid of the right wing media and the Tory party we're stuck with racism and nothing we do will change that.

 

 

Murdoch and his minions have been trolling for 40 years.

[hejammy]

It all starts from the top. Systemic racism is a major problem in this county. When we can have someone who called Muslim women 'letterboxes' be elected as the leader of the country and have so many people simply ignore or deny the fact that racism is prevalent here then we will never move forward. I see a lot of posts about "oh but the majority of racism was from abroad" - stop making excuses. Have you not seen the videos etc going around? I've experienced more racism in the last 5 years than I have in my previous 35! We are a laughing stock of a country at times. People often look at us and think we're backwards in our views and actions. Rarely do you see drunken yobs abuse people the way you do here in other countries. Social media has now just given a platform for those to voice their hatred hiding behind a screen. 

[Daggers]

8 hours ago, splinterdream said:

And that is what they do already under there own policy

Do they? I wasn’t aware of that. I don’t know why this thread is happening then as they must be doing a bang up job. Thank you, Nick Clegg.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, hejammy said:

It all starts from the top. Systemic racism is a major problem in this county. When we can have someone who called Muslim women 'letterboxes' be elected as the leader of the country and have so many people simply ignore or deny the fact that racism is prevalent here then we will never move forward. I see a lot of posts about "oh but the majority of racism was from abroad" - stop making excuses. Have you not seen the videos etc going around? I've experienced more racism in the last 5 years than I have in my previous 35! We are a laughing stock of a country at times. People often look at us and think we're backwards in our views and actions. Rarely do you see drunken yobs abuse people the way you do here in other countries. Social media has now just given a platform for those to voice their hatred hiding behind a screen. 

The letterbox thing is rather a distraction - a poor attempt at humour without understanding that it could cause distress to some and encourage them to become ‘othered’.  We are a society of diverse opinions and mindsets. We have our fair share of racists - some overt and some just lazy ….. I’m sure it’s the same in most countries around the world 

 

sad that despite having a very diverse population, it still festers here. 

 

 it doesn’t help when it comes from the top and whilst those in authority continue to give out mixed messages, nothing will change …

 

our clubs could do more to monitor those who are flagged up for these social media posts and properly ban them from attending football matches.  But there is a cost involved there and they won’t spend the money 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

1 hour ago, hejammy said:

The letterbox thing is rather a distraction - a poor attempt at humour without understanding that it could cause distress to some and encourage them to become ‘othered’.

I know what you mean, but disguising it as ‘banter’ or locker room talk or whatever is also a huge part of the problem. 

 

The sexism debate is an interesting comparison. Many men would say they are not sexist, and then in private say things with their friends in their ‘locker room’ that means that they are (best example being Trump). 
 

And then there’s the subconscious issue. It makes me wonder how many of us would say we are categorically not racist, but perhaps subconsciously are bias against / towards people who look different. But then again what these idiots have done and do explicitly is at the other end of the scale.

[yorkie1999]

8 hours ago, Nod.E said:

There's a conspiracy theory in there somewhere. Who'd profit from creating conflict and division?

 

It begins with T and rhymes with stories.

Well, the woman who founded the BLM movement certainly profitted, unless that's a conspiraicy!

[shailen]

Suppressed racism is a real issue in this country and a lot of it comes out in the bad moments of sport or when certain individuals are angry. It shows we have an underlying issue which is no different imo to countries where it's expressed openly and more in your face.

 

Social media is interesting because you get some keyboard warriors, that will post anything to get as many likes as possible, but the fact that people think in that manner and others support it is horrific. People should be made accountable to what they post as such content is abuse/bullying and should not be tolerated. I bet a lot of these people who post racism on social media, wouldn't be able to string a sentence together in real life and are probably the ones asking for Saka's autograph. 

[Fox92]

8 hours ago, z-layrex said:

Can we please just chuck all social media in the bin? I'm convinced Instagram is actually ruining the world and turning everyone into a narcissistic lunatic with a totally warped view on life, especially young women.

I back this.

Personally I find Instagram a weird concept.

Snapchat too.. I see lots of screenshots on twitter of people using Snapchat to take the piss out of someone else.

Edited 13 July 2021 by Fox92

[Master Fox]

Maybe turn off or don’t read comments? 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, Master Fox said:

Maybe turn off or don’t read comments? 

THERE'S the solution - see no evil, hear no evil.

 

Forgive my sarcasm, but this sort of thing is very much a part of the problem - people want to pretend it'll just go away, and doing so exacerbates the problem.

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

racist 

 

The UK is a race?  News to me!

[st albans fox]

52 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Well, the woman who founded the BLM movement certainly profitted, unless that's a conspiraicy!

BLM as a political movement is an issue here 

 

Taking the knee has to be disassociated from the BLM movement - it can be a symbol of injustice. just like we took the Union Jack away from the right wing extremists, we can take ‘the knee’ from politics. I’d like to see the whole KP take the knee at the first game - we can show that it has no political basis by joining the players in the gesture.  
 

how good would you feel as a black player to see the whole stadium joining you in illustrating your fight against the injustices you’ve had to fight against your whole life ?

[what?]

There are some extremely worrying suggestions in this thread which ignore the function and purpose of racism. Britain always reduces this shit to gestures and misses the real point. The UK has spent the last couple of years hugely expanding the scope of it's restrictive powers in preparation for the mid-term future when shit really starts hitting the fan - the increase in racist rhetoric is largely about having ready made scapegoats for what's coming so that the government can cling to power. And in response to racists on social media, spurred on by that very political establishment and the client media class, the suggestion is making it easier for the state ID people from their social accounts AND and increase police power to respond to language deemed inappropriate? Not that the racism hasn't been abhorrent of course but ****, if you answer to it is straight out of the home secretary's 'big book of authoritarian policy ideas' then you're missing the point. We fight racists together. It's a responsibility we all share and not something that you can ever expect the state to deal with  

[foxile5]

15 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

BLM as a political movement is an issue here 

 

Taking the knee has to be disassociated from the BLM movement - it can be a symbol of injustice. just like we took the Union Jack away from the right wing extremists, we can take ‘the knee’ from politics. I’d like to see the whole KP take the knee at the first game - we can show that it has no political basis by joining the players in the gesture.  
 

how good would you feel as a black player to see the whole stadium joining you in illustrating your fight against the injustices you’ve had to fight against your whole life ?

Gesture politics is pointless. It's so utterly pointless. It doesn't achieve anything. 

 

And how can we kneel at the KP?! 

[yorkie1999]

30 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

BLM as a political movement is an issue here 

 

Taking the knee has to be disassociated from the BLM movement - it can be a symbol of injustice. just like we took the Union Jack away from the right wing extremists, we can take ‘the knee’ from politics. I’d like to see the whole KP take the knee at the first game - we can show that it has no political basis by joining the players in the gesture.  
 

how good would you feel as a black player to see the whole stadium joining you in illustrating your fight against the injustices you’ve had to fight against your whole life ?

Not that good actually, cos if we all took the knee at the KP, half of em wouldn't get back up again.

[shade]

What we really NEED is a digital ID held on a blockchain that contains publicly viewable information on your bank account, tax liabilities, employment status, health conditions, vaccination status, frequently visited locations, social media accounts, likes and dislikes, gender identification, carbon footprint and social score. This will resolve all societies problems and allow punishment to be meted out quickly and effectively.

[Bptiger]

We hear a lot about every one been racist  but a lot of it is just thrown around to cover other agendas. Iam not saying some are called names that hurt , Iam a Irish born white male and for all my life 65 years people have taken great delight in telling dumb Irish jokes , I never her any of us complain they are been racist. My late dad always said 

sticks and stones will break my bones but words will hurt u , maybe we need to get a thicker skin 

[demon_dog]

I feel that no matter what you do some people are inherent racists. This I'm afraid to say will always be the case. 

I'm old school in my younger days there was no such thing as Twitter, Facebook or whatever social media platform is used today. The simple answer is do not use this media. 

Part of the problem is some people like to be socially followed, you only have to look at Rooney and Vardys missus spats. 

Personally I feel that any form of racist, sexist, or any other ist is wrong. 

If someone abuses me online I ignore it. Don't bite because that the reaction they want. 

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, foxile5 said:

Gesture politics is pointless. It's so utterly pointless. It doesn't achieve anything. 

 

And how can we kneel at the KP?! 

Not difficult to bend down and use the seat infront to support you - may not actually be on your knee but you are showing willing. If you can’t physically do it then maybe stand and applaud all those who are able to 

 

maybe then, some of the neaderthals will realise how out of touch their mindset is 

 

 

[King of Gipsy Lane]

It’s simple 

 

full credit and ID checks for all account holders 

 

and make it an offence for social media companies to allow racist abuse on their platforms ! 
 

soon get sorted out then 

[Nod.E]

Genuine question. How much racist abuse was there? In terms of a rough number of tweets/comments? And how does this compare to the average day and/or when other teams have lost big games?

 

There was never going to be none, let's be honest. That's wrong, but that's the society we live in. Even if racism didn't exist, you'd have people making racist remarks to get a reaction.

 

And if there was a predictable amount, there was always going to be uproar, too.

 

It's all just so depressingly predictable. I had a two hour walk back to my hotel after the game (from my mate's) and it was only half way back that I realised all the players that missed were black. At that point I just knew the next few days would go the way they have.

 

If there were way more than what we might deem expected then fair. I saw Rashford's tweet about 70 'so far' yesterday morning, and while it's unacceptable, I have to say a part of me did think, 'wow, I thought it would have been more. It really is a minority.' 

[yorkie1999]

36 minutes ago, demon_dog said:

I feel that no matter what you do some people are inherent racists. This I'm afraid to say will always be the case. 

I'm old school in my younger days there was no such thing as Twitter, Facebook or whatever social media platform is used today. The simple answer is do not use this media. 

Part of the problem is some people like to be socially followed, you only have to look at Rooney and Vardys missus spats. 

Personally I feel that any form of racist, sexist, or any other ist is wrong. 

If someone abuses me online I ignore it. Don't bite because that the reaction they want. 

 

Sticks and stones, maybe we should start teaching this in schools again and hopefully in 20 - 30 years time everyone will just ignore what others say to get a bite.