Tackling racism on social media

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If the cap fits ……..

I think we have too many with a voice …….in other countries they tend to be quieter ……..maybe it’s the culture of too much alcohol here that dictates that …..

Its not alcohol. This country has a cocaine problem which no one wants to address.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Hacked 🤣🤣🤣

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/13/childrens-football-coach-denies-sending-racist-tweet-to-marcus-rashford-14919533/

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Its not alcohol. This country has a cocaine problem which no one wants to address.

This is also v true 

[hejammy]

23 hours ago, st albans fox said:

The letterbox thing is rather a distraction - a poor attempt at humour without understanding that it could cause distress to some and encourage them to become ‘othered’.  We are a society of diverse opinions and mindsets. We have our fair share of racists - some overt and some just lazy ….. I’m sure it’s the same in most countries around the world 

 

sad that despite having a very diverse population, it still festers here. 

 

 it doesn’t help when it comes from the top and whilst those in authority continue to give out mixed messages, nothing will change …

 

our clubs could do more to monitor those who are flagged up for these social media posts and properly ban them from attending football matches.  But there is a cost involved there and they won’t spend the money 

This is still part of the problem. Firstly you call it humour. Call it what it is. Racism. 

 

Secondly you use the term fester. It's more than fester. It's a big problem. 

 

Then you state the problem but say nothing will change/won't spend the money. If we all had this way of thinking then yes nothing will change. We need to force the change. Can't just sit idly and let things happen and say 'ah well what can we do' 

 

We are going backwards as a county, how someone can judge another simply because of the colour of their skin astounds me. It needs to be education from the beginning but also real punishments for those that belong to this group. Not just a 'oh bloody hell, those again, I condone their behaviour... Those silly buggers.' and then nothing. Just kicking them off social media isn't good enough, they'll just come back. Harsher punishments of fines/prison will make people think twice. 

[hejammy]

11 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

 

Personally don't agree with this, given racism is a world wide problem. 

 

 

Although I agree that there is a problem in a number of countries. I didn't see any other fans of other countries boo national anthems or behave the way England fans did at the stadium or send racist abuse towards their own players from other countries? Not that I'm aware of anyways? 

Edited 14 July 2021 by hejammy

[UniFox21]

29 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Although I agree that there is a problem in a number of countries. I didn't see any other fans of other clubs boo national anthems or behave the way England fans did at the stadium or send racist abuse towards their own players from other countries? Not that I'm aware of anyways? 

Personally think the booing of anthems has been taken a smidge too far. 

Yes groupings of people have been shown to have been proper twats due to the huge news from the final. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened if the media here hasn't picked up on bits. Something like this was likely to happen with lockdown restrictions ending and the one way in, one way out used at Wembley. 

[Nod.E]

Should the objective be awareness? Or should it be to generate conversation? That, to me, seems more transformative.

 

But am I going to engage in conversation about race, in work and among friends. On my social media? Am I fvck. One mistake and I'm cancelled. 

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

He is with Dangerous Turd, with Peter Shilton at a White Lives Matter conference.

Conference Agenda:

9-9:30 Unfairtrade Coffee & biscuits

9:30 - 12:00 "You Can't Say Anything These Days Without Offending Someone"

12-1 Lunch [a beautiful choice of British delights including curry, lager, French chicken, sushi, and avocados]

1-3:30 "It's Illegal To Be English Now"

3:30-4 British tea, crumpets and lines of coke

4-11pm Lager, random shouting, smashing some stuff up

11pm Everyone to cab it home and smash their wife in the face for getting stuff wrong again (*Women and single men to fight a copper)

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hacked 🤣🤣🤣

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/13/childrens-football-coach-denies-sending-racist-tweet-to-marcus-rashford-14919533/

That guy seems bang to rights, but it seems that some of the stuff out there is not necessarily what it firs seems...

 

 

Edited 14 July 2021 by ClaphamFox

[moore_94]

These kids should be looking up to them ffs

 

Careers gone before they even started

 

 

Edited 14 July 2021 by moore_94

[yorkie1999]

I somehow doubt there’s a solution for racism.

 

 

[UniFox21]

24 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

That guy seems bang to rights, but it seems that some of the stuff out there is not necessarily what it firs seems...

 

 

This is what worries me about using ID to confirm identities for accounts. With the amount of fraud we see anyway, this could be a relatively easy way for someone to absolutely ruin a person's life. 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

14 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

Players are doing it to raise awareness to try and combat the problem. They’ve told us this countless times. You’ve criticised it and many others who do, don’t really suggest a sensible alternative. I don’t understand how people can be so against something but provide no alternative to it. Players, fans etc. Are tired of the racist abuse, they want to stamp it out, if you’ve got the energy to call out “the knee” come forward with the alternative. Or shut up.

So you are under the miscomception that taking the knee works. It does not, and that is what I am saying. If you wish to believe that, then you are a fool. Why do I need to provide an alternative? I am merely stating what I see as a fact, or do you not understand your own language. 

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

So you are under the miscomception that taking the knee works. It does not, and that is what I am saying. If you wish to believe that, then you are a fool. Why do I need to provide an alternative? I am merely stating what I see as a fact, or do you not understand your own language. 

So people who have a differing opinion to yourself are ‘fools’. 
 

You are entitled to your opinion - albeit as narrow and bigoted those opinions as usual are, but what you are not entitled to do is pass this opinion off as a fact or a truth of any kind and insult others who have a differing view.

 

 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

14 hours ago, David Hankey said:

Why should I "shut up" because I have a particular opinion? It is not up to me to come up with an alternative as all I have done is expressed my opinion which I am entitled to do.

 

If I do, will you?

Well said. Some daft people are blinkered, and can't see that taking the knee, creates more harm than good.. Also this is a democratic country, where all of us can have opinions and views. 

[Daggers]

5 minutes ago, Nick said:

So people who have a differing opinion to yourself are ‘fools’. 
 

You are entitled to your opinion - albeit as narrow and bigoted those opinions as usual are, but what you are not entitled to do is pass this opinion off as a fact or a truth of any kind and insult others who have a differing view.

 

 

And, 'taking the knee' is absolutely working, as evidenced by the kind of people it's upsetting.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

3 minutes ago, Nick said:

So people who have a differing opinion to yourself are ‘fools’. 
 

You are entitled to your opinion - albeit as narrow and bigoted those opinions as usual are, but what you are not entitled to do is pass this opinion off as a fact or a truth of any kind and insult others who have a differing view.

 

 

Then C T should respect my views too. It works both ways, or do you not understand.

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Then C T should respect my views too. It works both ways, or do you not understand.

It is difficult to respect bigotry - that's the problem here DT.

[purpleronnie]

3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

It is difficult to respect bigotry - that's the problem here DT.

I don't think DT is a bigot, I'm sure he's against racism as much as all of us, he simply doesn't think taking a knee is the right way to go about it....although i haven't read all his responses.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

1 minute ago, Daggers said:

And, 'taking the knee' is absolutely working, as evidenced by the kind of people it's upsetting.

Where did I say it upset me. All am saying is that it achieves nothing, but makes matters worse. The more you publicise racism, the more people will react adversely .Hence those idiots that drowned Wembley with their boo's when the knee was taken. Just so you know, my two best friends are black, and they are great people. Fact.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

2 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I don't think DT is a bigot, I'm sure he's against racism as much as all of us, he simply doesn't think taking a knee is the right way to go about it....although i haven't read all his responses.

Exactly so, that is all I am saying, but some people cannot grasp that fact, and BLM is the same. What does tearing down statues actually achieve? Nothing, except promoting vandalism.

[Guest bennytwohats]

13 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I don't think DT is a bigot, I'm sure he's against racism as much as all of us, he simply doesn't think taking a knee is the right way to go about it....although i haven't read all his responses.

I think that would be reasonable if he was adding something to the debate as an alternative. But so far there are two people making it known they think the gesture is bad, getting defensive when being offered the chance to suggest an alternative and then derailing the conversation into tit for tat and away from the actual issue we are trying to discuss. It doesn't come across like they care about the underlying issue as much as some others in this thread.

 

If someone genuinely cared about racism, but had an issue with the gesture, I presume there would be an acceptance that it might not be perfect but the cause is still worth fighting. Not offering a better suggestion, but not wanting players to take the knee... well that suggests people just want to problem to go away (i.e. not be fixed), doesn't it?

 

[leicsmac]

Social media isn't good or bad in of itself. It acts as a force multiplier, for good or ill.

 

Of course there is a problem with racism in the UK and elsewhere, that's self evident to pretty much anyone vaguely aware of the matter, but addressing the issue isn't really simple. It needs more targeted regulation of social media to sort out the one-day trip problem *and* education on such social matters in the wider world, too. Of course, such things are easier said than done given the state of world governance right now.

[HighPeakFox]

There's a huge problem in this country, and it's been the case my entire life. At both ends of society, there is distrust and contempt for good education, and it gets 'justified' by screaming 'woke', 'bloody lefties' and other such nonsense. 

 

Essentially, decent education is rejected by those convinced they know better and determined not to learn. 

[HighPeakFox]

There's a huge problem in this country, and it's been the case my entire life. At both ends of society, there is distrust and contempt for good education, and it gets 'justified' by screaming 'woke', 'bloody lefties' and other such nonsense. 

 

Essentially, decent education is rejected by those convinced they know better and determined not to learn.