Brentford 1-2 LCFC - Post Match Thread

[NewBee]

2 hours ago, MalletFox said:

I’m aware this is going to sound a little odd, but I was a bit disappointed with Brentford today. They were certainly the better team in the first half but I was surprised at how direct they were. I don’t know why, but I had a picture in my head that they were going to be a fast moving, quick, ball zipping team when in reality, they are just very direct in the main! Long throws, free-kicks, corners were a real threat but never really felt overly troubled in general play tbh.

Interesting observation.

 

For the last 3 or 4 seasons, BFC have played very much a passing, possession-based game, which many neutral observers reckoned was the "best" football in the Championship.

 

But this season we've clearly gone for a modified, more direct style, including signing big, strong physical players, meaning that we mix it far more these days. Set pieces - esp long throws - are more important than ever.

 

Which I reckon all goes back to a comment from one of our DoF's a few years back, that "you don't challenge Goliath to a wrestling match if you're David!"

 

In other words, while Brentford were clearly one of the better footballing sides in the Championship, if we tried to "out-football" other teams in the PL, then we'd get beaten regularly, since (most) PL teams are better at it than us.

 

That said, I suspect the plan is to survive a season or two by whatever means necessary, until the revenue accrued means we can sign more and better players, and try to compete on more equal terms. Either way, everything the club does is pragmatic, not dogmatic, and planned as far in advance as possible.

 

Beyond that, I can't really begrudge Leicester your 3 points today, since that's how football goes sometimes. But being as unbiased* as I can, I genuinely believe we deserved at least a point, and might as easily have got all 3 as your team.

 

Oh well, Onwards and Upwards!

 

* - OK, not very

 

 

[shen]

9 minutes ago, Finn Claw II said:

Funny how one-sided MOTD made it look, then in the analysis a load of Leicester chances were shown.

It did feel like both teams were camped inside our half during the entire second half, with a few sporadic forays forward towards the end. They were relentless in their press and snuffed out any long balls pretty efficiently. Tielemans was the difference today. 

Well fought Brentford, but brilliant defensive composure and concentration from our team as well.

 

If and when Ndidi leaves, we could do worse than pinch Nørgaard as a replacement. Had a stormer today.

[Hack]

7 hours ago, Pablito said:

Because he knows that Lincoln Red Imps will be putting a cheeky bid in for him. 

With the money that Newcastle have, I think they will throw the kitchen sink at him in the summer.  Man U will have a clear out and OGS will be gone. Liverpool the other one that could come after him.  I really hope he does resign but the way he is playing someone will offer 80m or higher.

[suffolk fox]

Brentford the new Stoke of the Premier league.  Big, ugly, very physical relying on set pieces n long bloody throw ins.  I am pleased we beat them.  For all their possession in the first half they did nothing.  We controlled the 2nd half when it mattered.  Tielemans take a bow son outstanding.

[Hack]

7 hours ago, Line-X said:

It wasn't though was it. Once we got the second Brentford became ever more desperate. Out went the methodical press, the control of the midfield and the fluid calculating attacking moves and as we exerted more influence on the game, they began hoofing it long.

 

I'm amazed how surprised some members of this forum were by their performance today. They move the ball quickly, press well and play attractive positive football. They've been a pleasure to watch over the last two years. This was always going to be a tricky fixture and yes, one that needed to be ground out but I thought we really came into the game in the second half. As per usual, some of the comments in the match day thread were absurd. It's the same people every time. 

They really do execute a very entertaining style of play.  Fitness levels have to be extremely high to play it for a whole game.  Also, they chase a game result so hard it leaves them vulnerable to just what we did by hitting them on the counter.  They commit everyone forward and were completely torn apart by the rapid counter. But if you are a fan of their team, you love the attempt to win everything.  

[steveherbe]

3 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

Brentford the new Stoke of the Premier league.  Big, ugly, very physical relying on set pieces n long bloody throw ins.  I am pleased we beat them.  For all their possession in the first half they did nothing.  We controlled the 2nd half when it mattered.  Tielemans take a bow son outstanding.

Agree with this. MOT'd tried to portray that Brentford hammered us - they didn't. They were physical, and a typical Div 1 team playing at home against a top 6  premier League team. I wasn't concerned - much - and always thought our quality would win through. Huff'n'puff will only get you so far. Great day out, some decent pubs close to the ground, friendly home fans. Hope they stay up so we can go again next year.

[KFS]

30 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Interesting observation.

 

For the last 3 or 4 seasons, BFC have played very much a passing, possession-based game, which many neutral observers reckoned was the "best" football in the Championship.

 

But this season we've clearly gone for a modified, more direct style, including signing big, strong physical players, meaning that we mix it far more these days. Set pieces - esp long throws - are more important than ever.

 

Which I reckon all goes back to a comment from one of our DoF's a few years back, that "you don't challenge Goliath to a wrestling match if you're David!"

 

In other words, while Brentford were clearly one of the better footballing sides in the Championship, if we tried to "out-football" other teams in the PL, then we'd get beaten regularly, since (most) PL teams are better at it than us.

 

That said, I suspect the plan is to survive a season or two by whatever means necessary, until the revenue accrued means we can sign more and better players, and try to compete on more equal terms. Either way, everything the club does is pragmatic, not dogmatic, and planned as far in advance as possible.

 

Beyond that, I can't really begrudge Leicester your 3 points today, since that's how football goes sometimes. But being as unbiased* as I can, I genuinely believe we deserved at least a point, and might as easily have got all 3 as your team.

 

Oh well, Onwards and Upwards!

 

* - OK, not very

 

 

Is your manager new to being an insufferable, whiny pr!ck? Heard him after Chelsea and now today and got to admit, his attitude alone is enough for me to want your lot relegated.

[Deeg67]

33 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Interesting observation.

 

For the last 3 or 4 seasons, BFC have played very much a passing, possession-based game, which many neutral observers reckoned was the "best" football in the Championship.

 

But this season we've clearly gone for a modified, more direct style, including signing big, strong physical players, meaning that we mix it far more these days. Set pieces - esp long throws - are more important than ever.

 

Which I reckon all goes back to a comment from one of our DoF's a few years back, that "you don't challenge Goliath to a wrestling match if you're David!"

 

In other words, while Brentford were clearly one of the better footballing sides in the Championship, if we tried to "out-football" other teams in the PL, then we'd get beaten regularly, since (most) PL teams are better at it than us.

 

That said, I suspect the plan is to survive a season or two by whatever means necessary, until the revenue accrued means we can sign more and better players, and try to compete on more equal terms. Either way, everything the club does is pragmatic, not dogmatic, and planned as far in advance as possible.

 

Beyond that, I can't really begrudge Leicester your 3 points today, since that's how football goes sometimes. But being as unbiased* as I can, I genuinely believe we deserved at least a point, and might as easily have got all 3 as your team.

 

Oh well, Onwards and Upwards!

 

* - OK, not very

 

 

I actually did think you played that sort of quick-moving, elegant and attacking style in the first half for the most part.  The link up play in midfield was excellent, and the press very effective.  I don’t actually think you created all that many real chances though.

 

in the second half we seemed to find our footing and possession was actually about even.  I didn’t think either side created that much apart from the goal we scored, but your attack didn’t have the same sort of flow and urgency it did in the first.

Edited 24 October 2021 by Deeg67

[Hack]

7 hours ago, SuperMike said:

WOW! have you EVER heard such a biased commentary???

I found it so one sided it was difficult to listen to. Can't have commentators being so one sided.  Hopefully the broadcaster does something about the 2 on the call.  I have no problem with female commentators, but she got so many facts wrong that she should not be on a call until she corrects her knowledge. Gabbidon was frankly horrid as the supposed expert. Broadcasters need to be impartial not to disenfranchise any teams fanbase. By all means, complement Brentford for what they did well, but it was almost cynical how they called Leicester during the game.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, MalletFox said:

I’m aware this is going to sound a little odd, but I was a bit disappointed with Brentford today. They were certainly the better team in the first half but I was surprised at how direct they were. I don’t know why, but I had a picture in my head that they were going to be a fast moving, quick, ball zipping team when in reality, they are just very direct in the main! Long throws, free-kicks, corners were a real threat but never really felt overly troubled in general play tbh. 
 

We’ve really come back fighting after the international break with 3 invaluable wins and some player’s performances have increased ten fold, really encouraging and a huge 3pts today!! Be great if we can sneak past Brighton on Weds with a 93rd min winner and then avenge the Gunners at the KP on Sat for them turning us over here last season.

 

UP THE FOXES 🦊 

....the game changed right at the start of the second half, it all became open, which played into our hands!!!

They may have been behind but they were still dangerous and had they kept the same structure this game could have been different.  I am not sure why they chose to change it up, as their finishing was their problem not what they were doing on the pitch and their crowd never turned on them and pulled them along.

  So happy and relieved with the result, we just need to keep on picking up points where and how we can.

[Hack]

7 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

First half not really in it. Second half far more comfortable and never really in trouble once we went 2-1 up. 

 

Momentum building after 3 wins in a row. 

With their high level press and intensity we were always going to be more in it in the 2nd half.  They were fantastic, but couldn't keep up that level all game.  It was as much about us getting into the game as it was they tired. 

[Guest SO1]

35 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Interesting observation.

 

For the last 3 or 4 seasons, BFC have played very much a passing, possession-based game, which many neutral observers reckoned was the "best" football in the Championship.

 

But this season we've clearly gone for a modified, more direct style, including signing big, strong physical players, meaning that we mix it far more these days. Set pieces - esp long throws - are more important than ever.

 

Which I reckon all goes back to a comment from one of our DoF's a few years back, that "you don't challenge Goliath to a wrestling match if you're David!"

 

In other words, while Brentford were clearly one of the better footballing sides in the Championship, if we tried to "out-football" other teams in the PL, then we'd get beaten regularly, since (most) PL teams are better at it than us.

 

That said, I suspect the plan is to survive a season or two by whatever means necessary, until the revenue accrued means we can sign more and better players, and try to compete on more equal terms. Either way, everything the club does is pragmatic, not dogmatic, and planned as far in advance as possible.

 

Beyond that, I can't really begrudge Leicester your 3 points today, since that's how football goes sometimes. But being as unbiased* as I can, I genuinely believe we deserved at least a point, and might as easily have got all 3 as your team.

 

Oh well, Onwards and Upwards!

 

* - OK, not very

 

 

Great comment. Think the days are over of a club like Swansea playing Tika Taka, finishing 10th, and not getting relegated in their 1st season up. Thought Fulham were going to make the jump but now seem to be learning the hard way. I think you're making all the right moves. Like here, Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Genesis1]

8 hours ago, EnderbyFox said:

My thoughts go out to Brentford super fans Danny Gabbidon & Jacqui Oatley in this trying time. 

Was that the pair on commentary because **** me they were biased. If you'd have listened to some of the bollocks they were coming out with. I know I shouldn't complain but they nearly ruined an almost perfect game.

[NewBee]

21 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

I actually did think you played that sort of quick-moving, elegant and attacking style in the first half for the most part.  The link up play in midfield was excellent, and the press very effective.  I don’t actually think you created all that many real chances though.

 I didn't mean that we've gone all PulisBall, rather that we are now prepared to mix it more.

5 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

in the second half we seemed to find our footing and possession was actually about even.  I didn’t think either side created that much apart from the goal we scored, but your attack didn’t have the same sort of flow and urgency it did in the first.

If Plan A (passing)  doesn't work, then try Plan B (more direct).

 

And imo, over the full 90 minutes, we were overall the "better" side, even if that wasn't reflected in the final scoreline, as sometimes happens.

 

As for your improved showing in the second half, you're an established PL team, and one of the better ones at that, so it shouldn't be surprising. Plus you have a very experienced manager, who had a noticeably better subs bench than Brentford to utilise.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure no-one at BFC expects to dominate games from start to finish, but we won't get downhearted, since we've played some very good sides and no-one has battered us yet.

21 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

 

 

[Hack]

5 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

As Fulham found out last season, if you don't create and take chances ,you are in trouble. Brentford are a decent team but the strikers have got to step up. Mitrovic fired blanks all last season and now once again is smashing the championship. That need to react quicker in the PL finds a lot of strikers out.

Everyone needs to remember Sheffield Utd coming up a couple of seasons ago did the same thing almost cracking Euro positions.  Then went straight down the next season. Almost every year one of the promoted teams make a charge into their first season.  They are playing well, but will get found out the longer other teams see and then deal with their style. I am not saying they will go down, but should not get carried away.  Especially seeing we won the PL the year after coming up.

[Vardinio'sCat]

8 hours ago, Line-X said:

It wasn't though was it. Once we got the second Brentford became ever more desperate. Out went the methodical press, the control of the midfield and the fluid calculating attacking moves and as we exerted more influence on the game, they began hoofing it long.

 

I'm amazed how surprised some members of this forum were by their performance today. They move the ball quickly, press well and play attractive positive football. They've been a pleasure to watch over the last two years. This was always going to be a tricky fixture and yes, one that needed to be ground out but I thought we really came into the game in the second half. As per usual, some of the comments in the match day thread were absurd. It's the same people every time. 

 

Upmarket shithouse?

[sacreblueits442]

51 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Interesting observation.

 

For the last 3 or 4 seasons, BFC have played very much a passing, possession-based game, which many neutral observers reckoned was the "best" football in the Championship.

 

But this season we've clearly gone for a modified, more direct style, including signing big, strong physical players, meaning that we mix it far more these days. Set pieces - esp long throws - are more important than ever.

 

Which I reckon all goes back to a comment from one of our DoF's a few years back, that "you don't challenge Goliath to a wrestling match if you're David!"

 

In other words, while Brentford were clearly one of the better footballing sides in the Championship, if we tried to "out-football" other teams in the PL, then we'd get beaten regularly, since (most) PL teams are better at it than us.

 

That said, I suspect the plan is to survive a season or two by whatever means necessary, until the revenue accrued means we can sign more and better players, and try to compete on more equal terms. Either way, everything the club does is pragmatic, not dogmatic, and planned as far in advance as possible.

 

Beyond that, I can't really begrudge Leicester your 3 points today, since that's how football goes sometimes. But being as unbiased* as I can, I genuinely believe we deserved at least a point, and might as easily have got all 3 as your team.

 

Oh well, Onwards and Upwards!

 

* - OK, not very

 

 

....sometimes best to stick to what you believe in, as that is what has got you, where you are!!!

It is always a temptation to change your approach, to how you feel you need to play and compete, but your normal style is pass and move and skill full. So far the change has had some success, and your plan to consolidate for a few seasons, and attempt to buy better, might work for you in the long run.

  We, when we came up under Pearson in 2013/14 we played with a high tempo and high line, Pearson chose to change our style in the 2014/15 season where we competed but were more defensive. It did not work. We, like you, were not being slaughtered, losing by the odd goal, but found ourselves adrift  at the bottom of the league with 9 games to go. Pearson went back to a high tempo and high line, won 7 drew 1 and lost 1 (and the great escape was complete).

  Managers seem to think when they come up they need to change how they play and leaves their teams hamstrung with a style and new recruits to bed in. If that doesn't happen right away their job is on the line, always go by what you know, just get players in that have better quality but can play the same way that you have always played.

[Deeg67]

13 minutes ago, NewBee said:

 I didn't mean that we've gone all PulisBall, rather that we are now prepared to mix it more.

If Plan A (passing)  doesn't work, then try Plan B (more direct).

 

And imo, over the full 90 minutes, we were overall the "better" side, even if that wasn't reflected in the final scoreline, as sometimes happens.

 

As for your improved showing in the second half, you're an established PL team, and one of the better ones at that, so it shouldn't be surprising. Plus you have a very experienced manager, who had a noticeably better subs bench than Brentford to utilise.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure no-one at BFC expects to dominate games from start to finish, but we won't get downhearted, since we've played some very good sides and no-one has battered us yet.

 

Agreed, you were better on the whole but not at producing quality in the final third.  And pragmatism is no bad thing in a newly-promoted club.  I think you’ll be fine this season - solidly mid-table - and as you said, the PL money will make it easier to build around your preferred style going forward.

[Bats8711]

I’m continually amazed how many fans care so much about what the opposing manager says after a game. 
 

What do you want him to say? What do you expect him to say? If he had “recognized the beauty” of Tielemans’ goal (lol) how would that have made your  lives better? Or improved the prospects of LCFC?  
 

If anything it’s way more fun when they are super salty, and it certainly suits us more than effusive praise (but again, why would you expect / want / care about that?)  

 

Bizarre. 

[Vardinio'sCat]

7 hours ago, Webbo said:

 

 

He is forgiven...

[HybridFox]

You could walk past Brentford's ground and not realise it's there 

 

Real random sh**hole of a location between blocks of flats and a scrapyard. 

 

Bizarre experience but it's not too shabby on the inside (apart from there being no alcohol!). Dissapointed with the home support though, was expecting more from their lot.

 

But Leicester fans loud and proud as always Everywhere we go...

[Kevin Russell]

I thought as the game went on we could play through Brentford’s press quite easily, we were shot to pieces after Moscow, so it was a great win. Our second goal was on the cards though and we hand 2 or 3 more opportunities to slide through them.

 

Brentford were v good first half and pretty average second half. Decent side though.

[Vardinio'sCat]

Just want to highlight an example of Kaspar rushing his distribution and getting it right.

 

He gets pelters for his kicking, but you do sometimes see his aggressive approach paying off.

[Vardinio'sCat]

Vestegaard looked a bit fitter and didn't s**t the bed. 

[Deeg67]

1 hour ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

Just want to highlight an example of Kaspar rushing his distribution and getting it right.

 

He gets pelters for his kicking, but you do sometimes see his aggressive approach paying off.

Deservedly, if we’re honest.  But it’s worth it to see him pout after shanking one into the parking lot - those moments are comedy gold.