LCFC 1-1 Spartak - Post-Match Thread

[sacreblueits442]

...I  get the impression that this team plays by numbers....!!!

  They are playing to instructions and are not comfortable from deviating from the managers plan.

  There is a reluctance to think for themselves or act in an independent  way. There is no sense of urgency  and or someone baying for players to wake up and do their jobs.

  We just cannot be allowed to be so passive!!!

[KFS]

2 minutes ago, Dusty said:

And we would have won had Vardy scored the penalty or Iheanacho didn’t clear KDHs shot off the line. 

But neither of those things happened and that contributed to a bad performance and ultimately a bad result…

Edited 5 November 2021 by KFS

[Ric Flair]

18 minutes ago, Ricey said:

You are right, we certainly didn't try and force things. As a result we didn't create enough and drew a must-win match against a team we should be beating comfortably.

 

We could have at least tried to move. Tried to pull them about a bit. But no, it was just static and predictable. I honestly think we'd struggle in the Championship as we'd play 46 matches against low-blocks and it doesn't really matter how good the low-block is, we just have no idea how to break down teams like that.

Exactly mate, this was a must win game and @pmcla26 is saying we shouldn't be so downbeat on an average performance bit it was as much the result as anything. We had 4 good chances, that's not enough and requires us to be ruthless which in high pressure games is not easy and for a team out of sorts. It wasn't good enough, end of.

[KFS]

And as for ‘our fans are entitled’, do we need a subsection of this forum for fans who actually want to see their club tussling with the very best? Just because people want that and expect better from our best squad, arguably manager and infrastructure doesn’t make you entitled. It makes you ambitious and sick of the status quo of football in this country. 

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I genuinely do think we were not far off thrashing them last night.

Firstly, the goal we conceded was Mickey Mouse defending (yet again) with no-one getting anywhere near Moses for the header. We were ‘statuesque’ for that one

And down the other end, it was about the lack of a final ball to create enough clear cut chances. But that was based more on the fact that Spartak simply came to get men behind the ball and try to nick one from set pieces etc

For those saying it was dreadful, we’ve seen an awful lot worse than that already this season. By comparison, I think last night’s performance was a lot better than some of the garbage we’ve churned out already this term.

And if Vards had slotted away his penalty we’d have gotten the three points and this place wouldn’t be quite the level of doom and gloom it’s been since last night

It’s all about fine margins. We didn’t play particularly brilliantly last night but I’m not having we were as bad as so many on this barmy forum are making out we were

I'd say we weren't far off thrashing Slavia Prague at their gaff last season because we started very well and then as the game wore on we were very laboured. Last night was slightly different in how the game went but just because it may have only taken another goal from us or to have just taken the lead and we'd have kicked on is very much debatable because it's happening too often now and it's no use to us anyway. What could have happened won't qualify us for the knockouts or keep us in the hunt for a European place in the league. 

[phoneticerror]

9 minutes ago, Dusty said:

And we would have won had Vardy scored the penalty or Iheanacho didn’t clear KDHs shot off the line. 

Many failed attempts yes. But the focus here should be on our piss poor defence, not the penalty or the shots that should have gone in. Spartak shouldn’t have got close to our goal - but yet again our back line  f**ked it. Couldn’t have given them much more of a golden opportunity really, without Schmeichel nipping off for a piss break.

Edited 5 November 2021 by phoneticerror

[phoneticerror]

4 minutes ago, KFS said:

And as for ‘our fans are entitled’, do we need a subsection of this forum for fans who actually want to see their club tussling with the very best? Just because people want that and expect better from our best squad, arguably manager and infrastructure doesn’t make you entitled. It makes you ambitious and sick of the status quo of football in this country. 

Well said

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, KFS said:

And as for ‘our fans are entitled’, do we need a subsection of this forum for fans who actually want to see their club tussling with the very best? Just because people want that and expect better from our best squad, arguably manager and infrastructure doesn’t make you entitled. It makes you ambitious and sick of the status quo of football in this country. 

Fine to be ambitious. Every football fan is and should be. But if it doesn't work out, let's not throw toys out the pram and act like a spoilt brat when things don't go our way... 

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Strange wasn't it. He's been as positive a player as I can remember since he came in but yesterday he just didn't want to run. Wonder if it was because he was bizarrely brought on at left wing back?

....said to be his favoured position!!!

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Fine to be ambitious. Every football fan is and should be. But if it doesn't work out, let's not throw toys out the pram and act like a spoilt brat when things don't go our way... 

I don’t think people here necessarily are. They’re asking questions of the squad and manager because that match up last night should have ended very differently all things considered. There’s growing frustration too because what the manager assess in the post match presser is wildly different to what people are seeing on the pitch, so they are right to question it imo

[fuchsntf]

What I don't get..are the various fans

Thumping the table..over 3, or 4 , then

5 at the back...or ranting about a RW.

 

This ain't our main problem, it's how they are deployed, and simply how they

Put in a days performance...

You go out there to play your best & take some responsibility to what you

Commit to on game day...

 

We are not putting the clicheid

Square pegs in a round hole..

Today's game is about being able to...

Interface,across & between the lines & channels..Then the manager setting up 'his' stradgedy to use those various quality resources & skill-set accordingly....

Fans go OTT chasing analysing the very simple game of football..!

@Reg Vardy  is spot on with the truth & approach...but our players are not at the moment projecting entertaining performances..We are still an inexperienced club in Europe..

 

It sounds ridiculous..but these group games and the teams have mostly

 The Europe taste & soul running & seeping consistently through their tunnel-walls,spiriting through the club's veins....AND We simply  ain't there yet.

But I give the moaners & whiners some

Slack...when the team "seems" to have long periods of not putting in just decent basic performances...

We have too long a periods within

games, & game-spreads

Where our expected discipline & quality is turgid & lacking..

Edited 5 November 2021 by fuchsntf

[Livid]

Dominated possession where we looked totally in control. We hit the bar, scored, missed a penalty and cleared one off the line for them. Over 90 minutes that was it

 

They set up not to lose,  had one decent chance and scored.

 

No one was awful but we need to produce more.

[Corky]

For all the talk of laboured football we had enough good chances to win the game. Missing a penalty, our own player blocking a goalbound header then himself spurning a great chance. We conceded our customary crap goal but still should've won the game.

 

Now we probably have to win both the last two to qualify. The defeat in Warsaw has buggered us.

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

I don’t think people here necessarily are. They’re asking questions of the squad and manager because that match up last night should have ended very differently all things considered. There’s growing frustration too because what the manager assess in the post match presser is wildly different to what people are seeing on the pitch, so they are right to question it imo

Sometimes in the post match presser he gets it right and wants to see reactions out of players. And sometimes we do see it in the players in the next match. 

 

Of course question it. But what I can't comprehend is people acting like the whole club is in some kind of crisis and that everything is a failing/is failing. Everything is god awful and that nothing can ever go right. It's that air and aura of negativity which is quite honestly shite to be around and read. Granted several performances could be better, but whenever a few things do go right in a match, it's glossed over because a few other things didn't go quite right.

 

Someone here said Lookman never once looked to take on his man. Which is untrue. He did, he failed a few times, but still tried it. If he went to pass back and recycle possession its probably because if he kept losing the ball it'd put us under more pressure on a counter (which did happen last night when others lost the ball). Those kind of examples where the negativity has seeped in so much that they begin to see things that did/didn't happen. 

[Reg Vardy]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

20 mins queueing in the concourse yesterday, even went down in the 40th minute. It’s a ****ing disgrace, even shit grounds like Palace where they serve you from a luxury shed are much more efficient than us, it’s an embarrassment. 

Rogers out….

[dmayne7]

34 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

What I don't get..are the various fans

Thumping the table..over 3, or 4 , then

5 at the back...or ranting about a RW.

 

This ain't our main problem, it's how they are deployed, and simply how they

Put in a days performance...

You go out there to play your best & take some responsibility to what you

Commit to on game day...

 

We are not putting the clicheid

Square pegs in a round hole..

Today's game is about being able to...

Interface,across & between the lines & channels..Then the manager setting up 'his' stradgedy to use those various quality resources & skill-set accordingly....

Fans go OTT chasing analysing the very simple game of football..!

@Reg Vardy  is spot on with the truth & approach...but our players are not at the moment projecting entertaining performances..We are still an inexperienced club in Europe..

 

It sounds ridiculous..but these group games and the teams have mostly

 The Europe taste & soul running & seeping consistently through their tunnel-walls,spiriting through the club's veins....AND We simply  ain't there yet.

But I give the moaners & whiners some

Slack...when the team "seems" to have long periods of not putting in just decent basic performances...

We have too long a periods within

games, & game-spreads

Where our expected discipline & quality is turgid & lacking..

But the system is contributing. 5 at the back is a system that requires mastery of it to be effective otherwise it leaves you exposed at both ends of the pitch as you don't have enough players or movement up the pitch and then you get too many mismatches in defence with players not knowing who to pick up. It's not the cause of our problems but it's definitely not helping.

[sacreblueits442]

58 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

Many failed attempts yes. But the focus here should be on our piss poor defence, not the penalty or the shots that should have gone in. Spartak shouldn’t have got close to our goal - but yet again our back line  f**ked it. Couldn’t have given them much more of a golden opportunity really, without Schmeichel nipping off for a piss break.

...Rodgers should bring them all in sit them down infront of a large screen and asked each one, individually what they were thinking at that moment when Spartak got in behind us and their player ambled to take up a position to cross the ball!!!

  It is no point bellowing at them and telling them what should have happened,  we just need to know what we are working with here and assess if they have the nous to progress in this team. So far as I saw, in respect of Spartak's goal, none of them care enough for the club, or the team, else the opportunity would have been snuffed out at source.

  Playing Bertrand in a Wingback position requires energy, his Covid ailment does not allow for him to play that role, but with support at Right-back it would have been an easier night for him and the majority of the blame for their goal can be laid at Bertrand's door. You cannot amble back and stand 10 yards off someone attempting to swing a ball into your 18 yard box, you just can't.

[phoneticerror]

5 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Rodgers should bring them all in sit them down infront of a large screen and asked each one, individually what they were thinking at that moment when Spartak got in behind us and their player ambled to take up a position to cross the ball!!!

  It is no point bellowing at them and telling them what should have happened,  we just need to know what we are working with here and assess if they have the nous to progress in this team. So far as I saw, in respect of Spartak's goal, none of them care enough for the club, or the team, else the opportunity would have been snuffed out at source.

  Playing Bertrand in a Wingback position requires energy, his Covid ailment does not allow for him to play that role, but with support at Right-back it would have been an easier night for him and the majority of the blame for their goal can be laid at Bertrand's door. You cannot amble back and stand 10 yards off someone attempting to swing a ball into your 18 yard box, you just can't.

If you watch it back, they all look clueless. Evans of all people should know better.

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

If you watch it back, they all look clueless. Evans of all people should know better.

...absolutely, it would be a very short meeting, there was no excuse for the inaction of all those players, no excuse at all!!!

[foxinsocks]

Pass pass back back back. Pass pass back back back.

[phoneticerror]

1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...absolutely, it would be a very short meeting, there was no excuse for the inaction of all those players, no excuse at all!!!

This is the thing that has irked me. Yes we were far from perfect, but just letting them walk over us in that moment was appalling.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, phoneticerror said:

This is the thing that has irked me. Yes we were far from perfect, but just letting them walk over us in that moment was appalling.

I am not happy about their goal. 

However  surely the bigger prob is that we failed to score three at the other end.

[phoneticerror]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I am not happy about their goal. 

However  surely the bigger prob is that we failed to score three at the other end.

We would have won if we didn’t let that f**ker in and let’s be honest, it shouldn’t have happened.
 

In an ideal world it would have been 3-0, possibly even 4-0 if Soumaré’s strike had been a few cm further to the right. If we’d protected our box like any team worth their salt, it’d have been ours.

[sacreblueits442]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I am not happy about their goal. 

However  surely the bigger prob is that we failed to score three at the other end.

....the bigger problem is the attitude displayed at the time of their goal!!!

What must it have taken for half a team to decide that "it was not my job" whilst playing in a team sport. There is something so wrong at this moment that until we resolve whatever it is that is going on within these players, we will continue to need to score 3 goals in order to stay in games.

 Just looking at that, the problem is bigger than you think!!

[mucfox]

Unfortunately, yesterday showed again that LCFC is only a midtable club. There will hardly be any worse clubs than Moscow in the EL. But this negative form curve has been apparent for a long time. We have played beyond our means for more than 2 years. We were right to dream of the CL. We were really a top team and it was always great fun to watch. It was like a dream and the awakening hurts. The FA cup win vs Chelsea will probably be the last Foxes miracle for a long time. For me, the reason for the average performances of the last few months is the composition of the squad. In many games, 2 or 3 players show virtually no PL performance, which means we are constantly playing outnumbered. No top club can afford this wrong purchasing policy. Tielemans was the last player we bought who really helped us. After that, all we got was a bunch of followers. Who buys such players?

 

Betrand, Vestergaard, Lookman, Perez - all useless

Soumare - great body, but too heavy and therefore too slow (in his Lille career 112 games, 1 goal, 3 assists !!!)

But there are also other players who no longer consistently deliver their performances (Barnes, Pereira, Söyüncü, Maddison)

Overall, the squad is simply too weak for a top team...

Edited 5 November 2021 by mucfox
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