PSV UPDATE

[walkerleeds]

2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Absolutely right they don't, but neither do union fs own a certain section of the ground. So in order for this to happen some people are going to be put out. There's no easy solution to this until the ground gets expanded.

 

If the club really cared about improving the atmosphere, once said rent for 500 or so people's seats is up at the end of the season, they'd advertise it explicitly as a permanent singing section. That way 28 thousand home fans can have their pre season clapper friendly atmosphere, whilst people who prefer singing and standing can also do so. I do not understand how it is more difficult than this.

[The_77]

4 minutes ago, NasPb said:

Fans CAN solve it but it makes it 10000000 times more difficult if they put obstacles in every single bloody way to stop a good atmosphere. It's like driving with your wheels popped 

You can’t really believe that’s the case. 
 

Clappers, goal music, no singing section, none of that matters if the fans really want to make noise. 
 

We’re the same group of fans who caused a fuching EARTHQUAKE. 

Edited 24 March 2022 by The_77

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, NasPb said:

Fans CAN solve it but it makes it 10000000 times more difficult if they put obstacles in every single bloody way to stop a good atmosphere. It's like driving with your wheels popped 

I must have missed the bit where the club actively force me to dance to goal music, bang my club and then sit in silence for the rest of the game. 🤣

[Jackubu]

2 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

If the club really cared about improving the atmosphere, once said rent for 500 or so people's seats is up at the end of the season, they'd advertise it explicitly as a permanent singing section. That way 28 thousand home fans can have their pre season clapper friendly atmosphere, whilst people who prefer singing and standing can also do so. I do not understand how it is more difficult than this.

To put it simply its not difficult. 

 

Displacing a few fans for the the chance to improve the atmosphere and inevitably the teams performance makes perfect sense. 

[VLC86]

Haven’t read the thread but if the position is the same I honestly can’t believe the club aren’t sorting this.

 

The players/management clearly have massive respect for this when it’s done. 

[walkerleeds]

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Demand for season tickets and interest in games has literally never been higher. There's a bigger wait for season tickets than there's ever been.

 

And your second point is a massive assumption, they've chosen not to do it for one game based in logistical difficulties, what the future plans are only some will know and given they've trialled and called it a success I'd guess they'd do it when it's logistically possible.

 

What has a waiting list got to do with anything? The priority should be to facilitate the wants of your current customers, not perspective customers. As evidenced by the singing section trials, there is appetite by a section of the fanbase to create an atmosphere. I'd hazard a guess the vast majority are current ST, not those on a waiting list.

[Number 6]

3 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

I must have missed the bit where the club actively force me to dance to goal music, bang my club and then sit in silence for the rest of the game. 🤣

But there is an orchestration of a celebration when the goal music is there - that seems to be why it is kept. Doesn't mean that people joining in want to keep it necessarily. Also really hard to get any spontaneous chanting going over the top of really loud music pre-kick off.

 

Same with the clappers, seem like many pick them up out of habit and it's a low energy way of joining in (which should be kept for those who want it), but they do drown out chants and I reckon if optional a lot of people wouldn't bother picking on up at the gate.

 

I think some of this atmosphere drop will come from a lethargy after a fairly crazy five or so years and a relatively boring one this year, but that doesn't mean we should give up on trying to improve it. Would be nice for the club to have committed to a whole European campaign singing section at home - we have to move some ST holder for UEFA so why not for atmosphere?

[walkerleeds]

9 minutes ago, The_77 said:

You can’t really believe that’s the case. 
 

Clappers, goal music, no singing section, none of that matters if the fans really want to make noise. 
 

We’re the same group of fans who caused a fuching EARTHQUAKE. 

 

When was the last time you went to the KP?

[walkerleeds]

16 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Weird take. Nearly nothing in the World is owned, you're suggesting anything can just be moved.

 

Well, to put it bluntly, it can. But maybe that's just my take on life..

[KFS]

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Not sceptical of what you're trying to achieve, questioning your methods of doing it.

 

Don't get what you'll achieve by making assumptions and calling out the club. There's a lot of views and logistical things to get right here and this very much feels like a bulldozer approach to getting what you want without considering anything else.

As an impartial onlooker I wouldn’t say that UFS have bulldozed into anything - not sure where that has come from? They’ve had numerous, simple things turned down and all you have to do is read the minutes of the various club held round tables to see that the middle managers at the club are pushing an agenda that will only make the match day atmosphere worse. 
 

You’re right in that it takes the fans to gather around something to make it better as a collective. In our title winning season that came in the form of Paul Merson saying our fans were ‘too nice’, and that seemed to get everyone going. Without a kick up the arse and the club turning down tifo opportunities, doling out clappers and brushing off goal music questions; I don’t doubt that they are making it more difficult for everyone. 
 

These are things that we absolutely don’t need but are being pushed because of a happy clapper agenda. The flip side by removing them is allowing an organic, fan led atmosphere to grow. Without that and the club’s support in doing that, it’ll never improve.

[The_77]

4 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

When was the last time you went to the KP?

Tbf, the last games I went to were during the 19/20 pandemic season. But I don’t think the poster I quoted is often at the KP either these days and what he asserted is a bit over the top. 
 

 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

16 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

When was the last time you went to the KP?

Another weird take.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

18 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

What has a waiting list got to do with anything? The priority should be to facilitate the wants of your current customers, not perspective customers. As evidenced by the singing section trials, there is appetite by a section of the fanbase to create an atmosphere. I'd hazard a guess the vast majority are current ST, not those on a waiting list.

First point is relevant as you're making out that there is draining appetite from games for all - there is for some, not all. And the facts are for the vast majority of games the club could more than sell out.

 

Secondly as evidenced by the trials there's appetite from the club too but there are also logistical difficulties to consider as well.

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

But there is an orchestration of a celebration when the goal music is there - that seems to be why it is kept. Doesn't mean that people joining in want to keep it necessarily. Also really hard to get any spontaneous chanting going over the top of really loud music pre-kick off.

 

Same with the clappers, seem like many pick them up out of habit and it's a low energy way of joining in (which should be kept for those who want it), but they do drown out chants and I reckon if optional a lot of people wouldn't bother picking on up at the gate.

 

I think some of this atmosphere drop will come from a lethargy after a fairly crazy five or so years and a relatively boring one this year, but that doesn't mean we should give up on trying to improve it. Would be nice for the club to have committed to a whole European campaign singing section at home - we have to move some ST holder for UEFA so why not for atmosphere?

....do season ticket holders have European games as part of their scheme!!!

I am not sure what comes with the package, but if it does, it is not exactly the best thing, to be ridden roughshod over, as you are in effect in a contract agreement with the club. If Europe is not part of the Season Ticket Scheme, then there is no issue, as it then comes down to a preference within an amount of  our supporters.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

17 minutes ago, KFS said:

As an impartial onlooker I wouldn’t say that UFS have bulldozed into anything - not sure where that has come from? They’ve had numerous, simple things turned down and all you have to do is read the minutes of the various club held round tables to see that the middle managers at the club are pushing an agenda that will only make the match day atmosphere worse. 
 

You’re right in that it takes the fans to gather around something to make it better as a collective. In our title winning season that came in the form of Paul Merson saying our fans were ‘too nice’, and that seemed to get everyone going. Without a kick up the arse and the club turning down tifo opportunities, doling out clappers and brushing off goal music questions; I don’t doubt that they are making it more difficult for everyone. 
 

These are things that we absolutely don’t need but are being pushed because of a happy clapper agenda. The flip side by removing them is allowing an organic, fan led atmosphere to grow. Without that and the club’s support in doing that, it’ll never improve.

Over the years there's been a lot of hostility towards the club from Union fs - ever see that interview they did?

[walkerleeds]

7 minutes ago, The_77 said:

Tbf, the last games I went to were during the 19/20 pandemic season. But I don’t think the poster I quoted is often at the KP either these days and what he asserted is a bit over the top. 
 

 

 

Ah okay, because we are a far cry from the earthquake days of 2015-16!

[walkerleeds]

5 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Another weird take.

 

Excuse me?

[Heskey2011]

On 22/03/2022 at 21:17, AKCJ said:

At least we won't have to hear that Daniel Anartey song on repeat for another 90 minutes. Every cloud.

Only just learnt it ffs

[Bert]

5 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Over the years there's been a lot of hostility towards the club from Union fs - ever see that interview they did?

Where it was or seemed hostile, I think it was more through frustration than anything. 

[The_77]

4 minutes ago, walkerleeds said:

 

Ah okay, because we are a far cry from the earthquake days of 2015-16!

I’ll take another title charge to improve the atmosphere. 

[Jackubu]

6 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Over the years there's been a lot of hostility towards the club from Union fs - ever see that interview they did?

 Two drunk lads in a pub, enjoying the wind up you're on tbf

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

I like the Tifos, and I would like the club to work for a singing section, and the new development would be a good opportunity for it. 

That being said, I don't really do chanting/singing, except for the occasional 'c'mon Lesta!' I just watch the football. I cheer when good things happen, and often use the clappers (but not constantly). I wouldn't ever sit in a singing section, in other words.

 

Seriously, I don't see a protest being widely supported in the other stands. I am not angry at the club, I support the owners, and I think 90 percent of the fans do too. A protest would probably just create bad blood between the club and those involved, and be counterproductive.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Not sceptical of what you're trying to achieve, questioning your methods of doing it.

 

Don't get what you'll achieve by making assumptions and calling out the club. There's a lot of views and logistical things to get right here and this very much feels like a bulldozer approach to getting what you want without considering anything else.

No problem, thanks for the feedback.

[frakenfox]

Me, I just nod imperceptibly and mutter 'good goal that' to Timmy's thunderbolt.

[filbertway]

What would you do in Union FS's position @Chocolate Teapot?

 

That's not a set up or sarcastic by the way, genuinely interested to hear your opinion on what you think their best steps to take are that will make progress and help establish a block or two or of the ground where there are like minded people.

 

You seem quite aligned to the clubs thinking, so it'd be good to hear from that perspective.

 

It'd be great to hear the crowd making a decent atmopshere constantly, regardless of what is happening on the pitch. At the minute, we only get a decent noise when the football is entertaining. This is a group of people that will support the team regardless of what they're seeing (up to a point  ) and I think that'd provide a massive boost to the lads on the pitch, as well as it seeping into other members of the crowd.

 

I'll never step foot in a professional football clubs stadium again unless Coalville are playing away, but I'd love to see us have an block of the stadium generating a decent atmosphere for the majority of the game. I'd love all clubs to have that aspect to be honest.