PSV UPDATE

[Vestan Pance]

7 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I'll never understand it. Seems so counter-productive.

You're absolutely right but I don't find it so hard to understand.

 

Those who do the non football day to day running of the club are obsessed with the corporate. I'm not saying they aren't running a successful club, that would be ridiculous! But they have control over everything LCFC, so what you see in the 'matchday experience' is an attempt to control supporter behaviour and dissuade certain demographics from attending.

 

I don't think they give any thought whatsoever to home advantage, I wouldn't enter their heads as they aren't football fans.

 

[Mr Weller]

3 hours ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

This is a fair point, whilst I would 100% back scrapping them completely, it is not as simple as that. Supporters have been so accustomed to using them that it would almost be a shock to the system. Plus, like I assume it does for your grandson, if it makes the match day experience a bit more exciting / engaging for the younger generations then it is maybe worthwhile. 
 

Having said that, I just do not understand why the club do not just put them next to the turnstiles and let people get one. It’s nonsensical really. Obviously, there is an argument whereby you try and cater for all fans but putting 30,000 clappers where most get chucked underneath the seat is silly. 
 

I think you have got to maybe go halfway and just reduce the amount. Not only will this mitigate against the environmental damage but it will also surely reduce the bill - maybe this could be put towards a reduced ticket once a season? I’d be grateful for that.

 

 

But most don’t. I looked on Sunday and about 5-6 out of 10 people used them and I sit in the east stand close to the Kop so not many kids around. I know some fixate on clappers but for most fans it’s really not an issue. 
 

I think that in the minds of a certain type of fan clappers have come to represent what they don’t like about the modern game with all its razzmatazz, music, sponsors etc. They yearn for an era that never really existed whilst ignoring the fact they’re in a minority.

[AjcW]

1 hour ago, Munshi said:

Players seemed to notice seeing as they made the effort to come right over to the section and celebrate after the game. Same with Rodgers. At the end of the day the only thing that really matters is what the players on the pitch can hear.

 

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Cynically, the club have canned it because they think they can sell tickets without the attraction of it. 
 

The ticketing staff know how it’s elevated traditionally poor selling games. 
 

What I would say is that I haven’t seen a player go running over to L1 for a very long time now (used to happen lots Championship winning season). Yet they make a beeline for the corner  - particular Rodgers. 
 

There’s no doubt it helps. Last week in Rennes. Youri and KDH were giving it some right in front of the away end 

Don’t disagree with either of you. But that’s not the point I was making. I wasn’t comparing which singing section was best. I’m saying it only works if everyone who wants to sing is in one section and can encourage the rest of the crowd to get involved. 
 

The way it’s worked so far is singing section singing one song, and L1 singing another and the rest of the crowd having no idea what to do! 
 

It’ll work, it just needs to be in one place. Just make it L1 and the block next to it and then it’s away end vs home singing section! 

[iancognito]

11 hours ago, smudger63 said:

Very true. 

Also the fact that in the final couple of seasons at Filbert Street the coin throwing between the kop & away fans plus quite a few arrests and warnings about behaviour from the PL convinced the club they needed to have the away fans in a different section when we moved. They never reckoned on people moving from their beloved seats in SK1/2 and going into L block next to the away support for the banter. Which they did gradually over a couple of seasons. Now the noise in the ground is split between two sections who can barely hear each other during a game because of the crap acoustics. Arguably, they've ended up with just as much trouble between home & away fans as well as a crap atmosphere in all but the biggest games.

Where is that list of email addresses btw? I feel the need to put my thoughts across to middle management in a considered but forceful way.

[iancognito]

53 minutes ago, Mr Weller said:

But most don’t. I looked on Sunday and about 5-6 out of 10 people used them and I sit in the east stand close to the Kop so not many kids around. I know some fixate on clappers but for most fans it’s really not an issue. 
 

I think that in the minds of a certain type of fan clappers have come to represent what they don’t like about the modern game with all its razzmatazz, music, sponsors etc. They yearn for an era that never really existed whilst ignoring the fact they’re in a minority.

If they disappeared at the next game it'd be a talking point for a day, then they'd be a distant memory like Vicky the Vixen and Cousin Dennis. People go to the football for the football not a bit of cardboard. We're the only club that have persisted with them, are a laughing stock because of them and I'm sure if fans at other grounds manage without them, we could as well. A good barometer is to look when the stadium has emptied out. Half the bloody things are still wedged into seats. I'd almost welcome that Thunberg kid sending a teary video message to Susan Whelan telling her they're helping to kill the rainforests if it helped get rid of them. As a club we do all that re-use your cup shite at the kiosys and then give away 30,000 bits of cardboard bi-weekly. It's bizarre they've lasted so long.

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 hour ago, Mr Weller said:

But most don’t. I looked on Sunday and about 5-6 out of 10 people used them and I sit in the east stand close to the Kop so not many kids around. I know some fixate on clappers but for most fans it’s really not an issue. 
 

I think that in the minds of a certain type of fan clappers have come to represent what they don’t like about the modern game with all its razzmatazz, music, sponsors etc. They yearn for an era that never really existed whilst ignoring the fact they’re in a minority.

Fair enough, maybe it varies around the ground as very few use them where I sit. Regarding your second point, I do somewhat agree. There are elements who talk about the 'glory days' down Filbert Street, (I am nowhere near old enough to remember) but I would suggest that when people reminisce about football in that era, they often have clouded judgements.

 

But to be honest, it is not necessarily the clappers. We just feel a bit commercialized sometimes, I am not saying that we are a contrast to most PL clubs, but it would be nice for the club to put more effort in. Apart from the pre-match montage, our rituals before games are terrible, actually get some music that means something to the club and supporters. It just feels like people aimlessly bang their clapper to Adele.

 

Also, as for this, it is poor from the club I think. The section actually looked decent against Rennes and most people seemed very supportive? To me, it just seems like a case of isolating sections of the fanbase, who in all fairness, want to actually help the team get over the line.

Edited 23 March 2022 by Matt_Lcfc

[blueharmie]

Football atmosphere is not what it used to be. It's ended fellas and nothing will get it back. 

Times have changed, this sterile atmosphere is what they want. 

Add var and its abit of a shit show. 

[SemperEadem]

38 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Also the fact that in the final couple of seasons at Filbert Street the coin throwing between the kop & away fans plus quite a few arrests and warnings about behaviour from the PL convinced the club they needed to have the away fans in a different section when we moved. They never reckoned on people moving from their beloved seats in SK1/2 and going into L block next to the away support for the banter. Which they did gradually over a couple of seasons. Now the noise in the ground is split between two sections who can barely hear each other during a game because of the crap acoustics. Arguably, they've ended up with just as much trouble between home & away fans as well as a crap atmosphere in all but the biggest games.

Where is that list of email addresses btw? I feel the need to put my thoughts across to middle management in a considered but forceful way.

Bottom of page 74 on the atmosphere thread.

[walkerleeds]

5 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Imagine coming on here and suggesting the club might not revolve around a small group of like minded people....

 

👏👏👏👏

 

The stadium holds 32k people. 

 

Why is the mere conversation about a singing section so offensive to you? 

Edited 23 March 2022 by walkerleeds

[baldeagle]

Christ there’s some spite towards the club in this thread . 

[sacreblueits442]

20 minutes ago, blueharmie said:

Football atmosphere is not what it used to be. It's ended fellas and nothing will get it back. 

Times have changed, this sterile atmosphere is what they want. 

Add var and its abit of a shit show. 

.....it has been said that the design of the stadium was to push the sound down on to the pitch, as opposed to circulating around the ground!!!

Could it be the atmosphere is not as bad as you believe it to be and it is a lot to do with acoustics. The club is taking a lot of flack at the moment, a lot of things being laid at their door and ii is difficult to understand the picture being painted of an over commercialised business without a soul.

  I hope that the new East Stand will resolve a lot of these problems and we can merge the wishes of both factions together.

[walkerleeds]

41 minutes ago, blueharmie said:

Football atmosphere is not what it used to be. It's ended fellas and nothing will get it back. 

Times have changed, this sterile atmosphere is what they want. 

Add var and its abit of a shit show. 

 

It isn't even about the atmosphere in the stadium as a whole. It's being given the opportunity, as a consumer, to watch the product in a manner I feel comfortable with like minded fans (standing & singing for 90 mins).

 

If Man United can accommodate this in the year 2022 why can't Leicester City? We are literally talking 1,000 seats max. It is infuriating. 

[Munshi]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

 

Don’t disagree with either of you. But that’s not the point I was making. I wasn’t comparing which singing section was best. I’m saying it only works if everyone who wants to sing is in one section and can encourage the rest of the crowd to get involved. 
 

The way it’s worked so far is singing section singing one song, and L1 singing another and the rest of the crowd having no idea what to do! 
 

It’ll work, it just needs to be in one place. Just make it L1 and the block next to it and then it’s away end vs home singing section! 

Yeah but then again we won’t be able to hear L1 and vice versa because of the fvcking clappers in between drowning everything out. Does my head in.

[Dan]

3 hours ago, Vestan Pance said:

You're absolutely right but I don't find it so hard to understand.

 

Those who do the non football day to day running of the club are obsessed with the corporate. I'm not saying they aren't running a successful club, that would be ridiculous! But they have control over everything LCFC, so what you see in the 'matchday experience' is an attempt to control supporter behaviour and dissuade certain demographics from attending.

 

I don't think they give any thought whatsoever to home advantage, I wouldn't enter their heads as they aren't football fans.

 

You're probably right. I just think they're a bit silly if they don't think they can cater for all. LCFC do not cater for those who want an atmosphere and I'd argue actively work against it. Too many things have happened over the years to make me believe this is the case.

 

I'd be interested to know the ins and outs from other clubs in the league. I doubt there's a single one so counter productive for atmosphere.

 

1 hour ago, blueharmie said:

Football atmosphere is not what it used to be. It's ended fellas and nothing will get it back. 

Times have changed, this sterile atmosphere is what they want. 

Add var and its abit of a shit show. 

Less than a week ago I witnessed a superb atmosphere. It isn't over yet.

[420Hashish]

I thought this was PS5 for a moment

[marbles]

The clappers are great!!!

more clappers please

 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, marbles said:

The clappers are great!!!

more clappers please

 

🤣🤣 yes, I like them too! I think we should also have those party blower things that whistle and uncurl. It would be like our very own vuvuzelas with knobs on! We could also wear blue noses. Like garlic bread, it's the future. 

Edited 24 March 2022 by volpeazzurro

[PhillippaT]

46 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

🤣🤣 yes, I like them too! I think we should also have those party blower things that whistle and uncurl. It would be like our very own vuvuzelas with knobs on! We could also wear blue noses. Like garlic bread, it's the future. 

Yes, vuvuzelas are exactly what we need! 😁😋😜

 

(Not that I have any direct involvement in this, since I can't see myself heading back up to Leicester for any match for possibly ever.) 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

11 hours ago, walkerleeds said:

 

The stadium holds 32k people. 

 

Why is the mere conversation about a singing section so offensive to you? 

It isn't. If you read my posts you'd realise I'm in favour.

 

I find the response of some of the fans in favour a bit offensive to be honest. Their response is to throw insults at the club (people who are just doing their job for an honest salary), claim the club don't care and insult others enough might have kids and a different perspective. I can categorically state the club are very keen to try and improve the atomsphere and its not in their interest to have a quiet stadium.

 

I also find it hugely ironic that union fs ask for openess from the club but then when any photo is put up they blank their own faces out.

Edited 24 March 2022 by Chocolate Teapot

[crisp packet]

I work with a steward who works in sk1 .

UFS main problem regarding the signing section is other people joining the section who don’t have tickets for the section.

They cannot police it properly as more people try and get in the section and becomes over crowded….abusing stewards and other supporters at the same time !?! 
I believe when/if the new stand gets constructed a lot of people will be ask to move , which would then give the club a chance to create a new ‘signing section’ for season ticket holder’s possibly…?

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, crisp packet said:

I work with a steward who works in sk1 .

UFS main problem regarding the signing section is other people joining the section who don’t have tickets for the section.

They cannot police it properly as more people try and get in the section and becomes over crowded….abusing stewards and other supporters at the same time !?! 
I believe when/if the new stand gets constructed a lot of people will be ask to move , which would then give the club a chance to create a new ‘signing section’ for season ticket holder’s possibly…?

Which is a completely plausible explanation of the problem. I think some people are oversimplified the issue here. Policing games of football currently is more difficult than it's been for about 20 years currently.

[1972 Fox]

12 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Nothing to play for in the Premier League. If we're going to boycott, now's the time to do it. No boycott, no action. 

 

Write a petition. Get a fvck tonne of signatures. And arrange a handful of games for a sizable proportion of attendees to stay at home, with organised communication with the club leaving them in no uncertain terms as to why people didn't go.

 

I can't be arsed moaning any more, it doesn't get us anywhere. Action or get on with it.

Something like this is probably the only way to get noticed.

 

Not much to play for in the PL for the rest of the season like you say, so I would suggest that at a set minute (eg 25) in the first half of a match @Union FS organise a throwing of clappers onto the edge of the pitch at the front of SK1 followed by a staged walk out to the SK1 concourse, they can then have 20 mins of singing and atmosphere down in the concourse before HT. Others from the kop and all other areas of the ground that feel the same way about this can join them at the same time by walking out to their concourses.

 

If there are a significant amount of empty seats around the ground midway through the first half it might get the message across.

[Jackubu]

43 minutes ago, crisp packet said:

I work with a steward who works in sk1 .

UFS main problem regarding the signing section is other people joining the section who don’t have tickets for the section.

They cannot police it properly as more people try and get in the section and becomes over crowded….abusing stewards and other supporters at the same time !?! 
I believe when/if the new stand gets constructed a lot of people will be ask to move , which would then give the club a chance to create a new ‘signing section’ for season ticket holder’s possibly…?

To the club that is the biggest issue with SK1 and the reasons why they've been marshalling it increasingly over the past few months. I dont think anyone in that area would dispute it as it actually adds to the argument of running more sections. More allocated seats = safer environment. 

Edited 24 March 2022 by Jackubu

[Vestan Pance]

37 minutes ago, crisp packet said:

I work with a steward who works in sk1 .

UFS main problem regarding the signing section is other people joining the section who don’t have tickets for the section.

They cannot police it properly as more people try and get in the section and becomes over crowded….abusing stewards and other supporters at the same time !?! 
I believe when/if the new stand gets constructed a lot of people will be ask to move , which would then give the club a chance to create a new ‘signing section’ for season ticket holder’s possibly…?

Hopefully that's a indicator to whoever makes the decisions that a singing section is a popular idea.

[K1FOX]

50 minutes ago, crisp packet said:

I work with a steward who works in sk1 .

UFS main problem regarding the signing section is other people joining the section who don’t have tickets for the section.

They cannot police it properly as more people try and get in the section and becomes over crowded….abusing stewards and other supporters at the same time !?! 
I believe when/if the new stand gets constructed a lot of people will be ask to move , which would then give the club a chance to create a new ‘signing section’ for season ticket holder’s possibly…?

Was down the front of the Rennes section and was no issues with any stewards all game that I can remember.