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[KrefelderFox666]

42 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

Pretty sure Spurs used to have Sandstorm by Darude but that might have been only during lockdown. Do Bayern still use the can-can?

Goal music in Germany (and possibly most of Europe) is fairly widespread and for most it works quite well.

 

Fill your boots (last season's Bundesliga ones):

 

A lot of them are either club anthems or have a historic meaning within the city.

[Guest Lako42]

18 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Goal music in Germany (and possibly most of Europe) is fairly widespread and for most it works quite well.

 

Fill your boots (last season's Bundesliga ones):

 

A lot of them are either club anthems or have a historic meaning within the city.

Holeeeee crap, some of those out outrageously horrific. 

 

All better than ours

[mazarron fox]

36 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Yeah... because he's seven. I severely doubt when he gets to 19 and goes with his mates he'll be going "hold on lads, we can't start this chant until I've got my trusty clapper."

 

Your point completely proves exactly what people are saying on here. It's designed and manufactured to cater to families, so kids can say "I've had a great day out dad, take me again and oh, by the way, Harvey Barnes is my favourite player so one replica shirt with his name on the back please."

 

It's not a go at you necessarily, but you're perfectly encapsulating what they want. It highlights the lack of interest in anything mainstream fans desire because we're set. We'll moan about the clappers, atmosphere being terrible and the catering being crap. But do you know what? We're still at 99.7% attendance or whatever, the catering company are still happy with the takings because football fans are creatures of habit, and they're hooked. They'll come through the turnstiles. They absolutely do not care about disengaging so many supporters because the vast majority of us can't let go. We can't not walk through those turnstiles with our friends, or to continue our lifelong tradition.

 

Someone said it early on in this thread, when the club needs UFS for a singing section, they come calling. When do they come calling? When they know they won't shift all the tickets. "Oh we need you now lads, off you with your singing section. Be good now."

I know you are not having a go at me directly but the point is valid when we are young we are like my grandson enjoying it and bonding with the club. My lad who took him loved the moment exactly as I did taking my lad to some dreary draw at filbo against west brom in the orange seats for his first game.

point is for most of our lives we are either kids , taking our kids and or grandkids , the amount of people who are ‘ 19’ and in between these parts of life are really the minority so maybe the club has a point.

In the old days the Kop was exactly for the singing elements 

[KrefelderFox666]

20 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Holeeeee crap, some of those out outrageously horrific. 

 

All better than ours

Should have added that a lot of them sound much better with fans than purely on record.

[RonnieTodger]

1 hour ago, ALC Fox said:

Pretty sure Spurs used to have Sandstorm by Darude but that might have been only during lockdown. Do Bayern still use the can-can?

Yeah I think a lot of clubs had goal music with empty stadiums just to add a bit of celebration for the goals.

 

I hope Bayern do! Feyenoord’s is pretty cool but the only goal “noise” I’d be happy with is the old Radio Leicester klaxon on its own. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Footballwipe said:

It's not a go at you necessarily, but you're perfectly encapsulating what they want. It highlights the lack of interest in anything mainstream fans desire because we're set. We'll moan about the clappers, atmosphere being terrible and the catering being crap. But do you know what? We're still at 99.7% attendance or whatever, the catering company are still happy with the takings because football fans are creatures of habit, and they're hooked. They'll come through the turnstiles. They absolutely do not care about disengaging so many supporters because the vast majority of us can't let go. We can't not walk through those turnstiles with our friends, or to continue our lifelong tradition.

....what if mainstream has been flipped on its head, and what he had previously described is now mainstream!!!

Could you now be the disaffected minority, and you have failed to notice.

Edited 23 March 2022 by sacreblueits442

[Matt_Lcfc]

2 hours ago, mazarron fox said:

My 7 year old grandson from Nottingham who thankfully is a third generation city fan went to his first game against Brentford and loved the day and especially smacking his clapper as hard as he could. Sometimes it’s not all about what we want but what future fans want 

This is a fair point, whilst I would 100% back scrapping them completely, it is not as simple as that. Supporters have been so accustomed to using them that it would almost be a shock to the system. Plus, like I assume it does for your grandson, if it makes the match day experience a bit more exciting / engaging for the younger generations then it is maybe worthwhile. 
 

Having said that, I just do not understand why the club do not just put them next to the turnstiles and let people get one. It’s nonsensical really. Obviously, there is an argument whereby you try and cater for all fans but putting 30,000 clappers where most get chucked underneath the seat is silly. 
 

I think you have got to maybe go halfway and just reduce the amount. Not only will this mitigate against the environmental damage but it will also surely reduce the bill - maybe this could be put towards a reduced ticket once a season? I’d be grateful for that.

 

 

Edited 23 March 2022 by Matt_Lcfc

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

2 hours ago, mazarron fox said:

My 7 year old grandson from Nottingham who thankfully is a third generation city fan went to his first game against Brentford and loved the day and especially smacking his clapper as hard as he could. Sometimes it’s not all about what we want but what future fans want 

Imagine coming on here and suggesting the club might not revolve around a small group of like minded people....

 

👏👏👏👏

[urban.spaceman]

King Power if the club let @Union FS loose.

 

 

 

[Harpenden Fox]

11 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

King Power if the club let @Union FS loose.

 

 

 

that is insanely good

[sacreblueits442]

8 minutes ago, Harpenden Fox said:

that is insanely good

...a totally different mindset and the chances of King Power Allowing that much of a freedom for the supporters is hard to imagine!!!

[K1FOX]

36 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Imagine coming on here and suggesting the club might not revolve around a small group of like minded people....

 

👏👏👏👏

Again wrong end of the stick. There is 4 stands in the ground. Surely this 'small group' of people should also be looked after - after all it will only benefit the club, the players and everyone else who supports Leicester.

[The_77]

32 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

King Power if the club let @Union FS loose.

 

 

 

It’s missing heads sticking through the big banners and people fighting because someone’s view of our players’ tracksuits is being blocked for a minute. 

[coolhandfox]

25 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

Again wrong end of the stick. There is 4 stands in the ground. Surely this 'small group' of people should also be looked after - after all it will only benefit the club, the players and everyone else who supports Leicester.

So what would you like them to do, what does looking after that group look like?

[OntarioFox]

There will be a debate about this for time immemorial until a dedicated section is created.

 

Ideally what you need is the L1 section (the ones that are bothered with the game and not just peacocking for the away fans) and the back of SK1 together. Give them the spot they crave, focus stewarding there and keep the rest of the ground for the less bothered fan, which for better or worse is the majority of the fanbase.

 

I didn't think the atmosphere against Brentford was that bad until I watched it back and saw the complete lack of intensity in the celebrations for two of the best goals we've seen down Filbert Way in years. It had the air of an end-of-season game. I know we're in a state of acceptance that this season is a bit of a dead-rubber in the league now, but Christ almighty, if those sorts of screamers can't generate anything more than a polite ripple of applause, I think the good work of folks like Union FS is a losing battle without more drastic measures.

 

Said it before, will say it again - if you care, grumbling on FT is achieving nothing. Protest. Boycott games. Get some cardboard signs... but don't you dare beg for shirts with them. 

[Nod.E]

10 hours ago, AKCJ said:

It won't though, will it? It's a European Quarter Final. The club did just fine with the UCL games in terms of whipping the atmosphere up.

If only the match day experience was still as it was then. Not too arsed either way about a designated singing section. It won't do for the atmosphere what the removal of atmosphere-sapping measures would, such as clappers, goal music, and sh*te over the top, deafening pre game music.

Edited 23 March 2022 by Nod.E

[Nod.E]

Nothing to play for in the Premier League. If we're going to boycott, now's the time to do it. No boycott, no action. 

 

Write a petition. Get a fvck tonne of signatures. And arrange a handful of games for a sizable proportion of attendees to stay at home, with organised communication with the club leaving them in no uncertain terms as to why people didn't go.

 

I can't be arsed moaning any more, it doesn't get us anywhere. Action or get on with it.

[K1FOX]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

So what would you like them to do, what does looking after that group look like?

I’m assuming by that group you mean the fans who want to congregate together and create some authentic atmosphere?
 

In that case I would like them to allow a singing section which was widely successful in the last round to happen again. I understand that it’s difficult to create any sort of section with the STH situation atm for league games but there is no excuse in cup competitions especially this one where no tickets were reserved beforehand because we weren’t even in the competition.  
 

Further to this with the planned expansion there needs to be a dedicated section of the ground which is for like minded people who want to create an atmosphere and get behind the team. This area needs to be large enough and central enough so that it can naturally expand and have safe standing like so many other clubs. This should not be hard to do when the expansion is done because there will be a rejig of many things during this time. The option should be there for anyone who wants to stick around in that area to stay and if not then enough pre warning given that this is the dedicated section so nobody is upset. Any gimmicky things that the club then want to do or family related stuff they would like to promote can then be focused to the other three sides of the ground and that will be fine. 
 

Sounds reasonable enough to me.

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

I’m assuming by that group you mean the fans who want to congregate together and create some authentic atmosphere?
 

In that case I would like them to allow a singing section which was widely successful in the last round to happen again. I understand that it’s difficult to create any sort of section with the STH situation atm for league games but there is no excuse in cup competitions especially this one where no tickets were reserved beforehand because we weren’t even in the competition.  
 

Further to this with the planned expansion there needs to be a dedicated section of the ground which is for like minded people who want to create an atmosphere and get behind the team. This area needs to be large enough and central enough so that it can naturally expand and have safe standing like so many other clubs. This should not be hard to do when the expansion is done because there will be a rejig of many things during this time. The option should be there for anyone who wants to stick around in that area to stay and if not then enough pre warning given that this is the dedicated section so nobody is upset. Any gimmicky things that the club then want to do or family related stuff they would like to promote can then be focused to the other three sides of the ground and that will be fine. 
 

Sounds reasonable enough to me.

Seems reasonable to me

[AjcW]

I've not read the rest of the thread but...

 

Whilst I enjoyed looking at the 'singing section' against Rennes, listening to it was another thing altogether!

 

Unless you can combine the singing section with L1 then it's utterly pointless.

 

I'm not surprised the club have canned it for now given one lot are signing one song and the other lot are signing something else at the same time!

 

Please don't take this as a criticism of the singing section, managed right it would be excellent, but at present it creates two singing sections and a big fat headache  

[Munshi]

25 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I've not read the rest of the thread but...

 

Whilst I enjoyed looking at the 'singing section' against Rennes, listening to it was another thing altogether!

 

Unless you can combine the singing section with L1 then it's utterly pointless.

 

I'm not surprised the club have canned it for now given one lot are signing one song and the other lot are signing something else at the same time!

 

Please don't take this as a criticism of the singing section, managed right it would be excellent, but at present it creates two singing sections and a big fat headache  

Players seemed to notice seeing as they made the effort to come right over to the section and celebrate after the game. Same with Rodgers. At the end of the day the only thing that really matters is what the players on the pitch can hear.

[Bourbon Fox]

3 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

The only goal “noise” I’d be happy with is the old Radio Leicester klaxon on its own. 

I will die on this hill

 

[Dan]

10 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

The only real way I can see changes occurring are via the FCC forum.

 

However in order for that to happen we need at least one very intelligent skilled diplomat who isn't afraid to challenge the hierarchy at the meetings in a constructive way. I do think the clubs representatives at these meetings would listen if said person could command their respect as I get the impression from those that have attended past meetings and posted on here that the club at times see themselves above the attendees, and that sometimes feedback from attendees isn't conveyed as well as what it could be. 

 

If someone could articulate feedback in a way that doesn't come across as demanding or aggressive, with a good degree of logic whilst framing the idea as being in the best interests of the club (particularly commercially) then I see no reason why they would not be receptive. 

I do agree with this but I just think the sad reality is the two are absolutely worlds apart. I can't definitively prove this but I think the reason they'll never lay it bare what the objectives are are because they're so far away from what virtually everyone in here wants that they'll (righly) look ridiculous. I can't prove it but I'm pretty sure that's the case. As it is we just end up speculating while we go in this seeming never ending cycle.

 

I do find it ridiculous though. Like I said in another thread, anybody at Rennes can vouch for how good their how crowd was and I'm convinced it plays a big part in why they're so good at home. See also Legia Warsaw. I say with confidence in the behind closed doors season we'd have won there quite comfortably. In-fact last seasons Premier League saw the only ever season where away teams picked up more than home. No surprise it's back to home teams getting more points this season and quite comfortably too.

 

I'll never understand it. Seems so counter-productive.

[CosbehFox]

39 minutes ago, AjcW said:

 

 

I'm not surprised the club have canned it for now given one lot are signing one song and the other lot are signing something else at the same time!

 

 

Cynically, the club have canned it because they think they can sell tickets without the attraction of it. 
 

The ticketing staff know how it’s elevated traditionally poor selling games. 
 

What I would say is that I haven’t seen a player go running over to L1 for a very long time now (used to happen lots Championship winning season). Yet they make a beeline for the corner  - particular Rodgers. 
 

There’s no doubt it helps. Last week in Rennes. Youri and KDH were giving it some right in front of the away end 

[fox_up_north]

My tuppence...

 

As a fan of live music and attending local non league in the north west, it's weird going to KP. Even my local team at the end of the road who get 300 turn up has a dedicated stand for hardcore singing support. There's impromptu chants of a couple dozen or so and it adds so much. 

 

The Rennes game was really fantastic. Sure, different areas sing different songs. So what? It's the noise that makes it and the players thrive on it.