PSV UPDATE

[walkerleeds]

33 minutes ago, The_77 said:

I’ll take another title charge to improve the atmosphere. 

 

It could be argued the current malaise in our fanbase is down to the title win... but that's for another day and I definitely need to do some sort of work now 

Edited 24 March 2022 by walkerleeds

[Guest TamworthFoxes]

It seems so unfair for the club not to agree to a regular singing section. They seem more than happy to have an away section for the coach 1 biddys, which just so happens to be on the front row of every away ground. Which makes us look like an absolute embarrassment every time our fans are shown on tv.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

26 minutes ago, filbertway said:

What would you do in Union FS's position @Chocolate Teapot?

 

That's not a set up or sarcastic by the way, genuinely interested to hear your opinion on what you think their best steps to take are that will make progress and help establish a block or two or of the ground where there are like minded people.

 

You seem quite aligned to the clubs thinking, so it'd be good to hear from that perspective.

 

It'd be great to hear the crowd making a decent atmopshere constantly, regardless of what is happening on the pitch. At the minute, we only get a decent noise when the football is entertaining. This is a group of people that will support the team regardless of what they're seeing (up to a point  ) and I think that'd provide a massive boost to the lads on the pitch, as well as it seeping into other members of the crowd.

 

I'll never step foot in a professional football clubs stadium again unless Coalville are playing away, but I'd love to see us have an block of the stadium generating a decent atmosphere for the majority of the game. I'd love all clubs to have that aspect to be honest.

To be clear I am massively up for creating a better atmosphere in the ground and I know for a fact the club are too.

 

What I'm not up for though is an atmosphere that's divisive for some and a 'make noise or get out' culture which I've seen a little bit of. There's plenty of views here to consider- people who've been going to the games for 50 years, etc..., people with kids. That's not my major point and I don't think it's that important here. When the club has done tifos there's plenty of complaints they get so they're very much in a tough position.

 

What I disagree with largely is the approach - the announcements if they don't get what they want and the digs at club staff. There's a whole host of petty activity too - refusing to call the stadium the king power, etc... (and there's loads more I could say on here). It feels very zero sum - they haven't got a singing section against Rennes but they've had two this season. They didn't get a tifo for certain games but they got others. There's lots of views the club needs to consider and what some like, others dislike. They need to get the club onside and there is various amounts of history which make that difficult.

 

The fact is the club is owned by ambitious people who want to expand the reach of the club, grow its commercial revenue and compete at the top level. We all loved it when we won the league and the cup and to keep competing the club needs to attract new customers who spend money on the club so I don't get the animosity towards people who shop in the club shop and buy stuff. 

 

I've genuinely nothing personal against what they're trying to achieve or what they're about. 

Edited 24 March 2022 by Chocolate Teapot

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

17 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

It seems so unfair for the club not to agree to a regular singing section. They seem more than happy to have an away section for the coach 1 biddys, which just so happens to be on the front row of every away ground. Which makes us look like an absolute embarrassment every time our fans are shown on tv.

Or maybe just they've accumulated the most away points as a result of going over the years? 

[baldeagle]

27 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

It seems so unfair for the club not to agree to a regular singing section. They seem more than happy to have an away section for the coach 1 biddys, which just so happens to be on the front row of every away ground. Which makes us look like an absolute embarrassment every time our fans are shown on tv.

Just wow . 

[KrefelderFox666]

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

Or maybe just they've accumulated the most away points as a result of going over the years? 

I think what the OP is saying that they always seem to have tickets ringfenced in their own section. Not that they shouldn't be going.

 

It wouldn't be difficult to hold a section of tickets for a "singing section" if you like at away games. Maybe this could be managed through UFS selling those tickets. I know they currently try to organise those themselves by bulk buying the tickets but it is very tricky to buy them all together at once. People (and the club included) don't seem to think outside of the box too many times. It's all very much this is how it is, this is how it will continue to be.

 

You mention people should be included (rightly so), just like the Coach 1 group if that's what we want to call them, equally families. It wouldn't be too difficult to restructure the ground (other than those who seem to be so attached to their particular seat). For example:

 

Blocks P2 and P3 could be family dedicated.

P and P1 could be what L1 is now, those who want to make noise next to away fans.

The whole West Stand could be a seated area for those who enjoy clappers etc.

Half of the Kop (either split into SK1/2 and SK3/4 or top and bottom half) could be a safe standing/singing section. Or even the whole Kop eventually.

East Stand could eventually become the posh/corporate stand once redeveloped.

 

If people currently sit in one of those sections and don't associate with it, then get those to move. Have a season ticket relocation period to get some serious movement going (albeit those who are so attached to their current seat can have a reserve period to hold on to their seats). The club has to communicate this in detail or people will have no idea, maybe put reminders on their renewal packs to state which section their seat is going to be in from the new season.

 

The above is very simple for the club to action as nothing is new or suprising from a logistical perspective. However, this must come from the club and is not something the fans can just do.

[filbertway]

9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

To be clear I am massively up for creating a better atmosphere in the ground and I know for a fact the club are too.

 

What I'm not up for though is an atmosphere that's divisive for some and a 'make noise or get out' culture which I've seen a little bit of. There's plenty of views here to consider- people who've been going to the games for 50 years, etc..., people with kids. That's not my major point and I don't think it's that important here. When the club has done tifos there's plenty of complaints they get so they're very much in a tough position.

 

What I disagree with largely is the approach - the announcements if they don't get what they want and the digs at club staff. There's a whole host of petty activity too - refusing to call the stadium the king power, etc... (and there's loads more I could say on here). It feels very zero sum - they haven't got a singing section against Rennes but they've had two this season. They didn't get a tifo for certain games but they got others. There's lots of views the club needs to consider and what some like, others dislike. They need to get the club onside and there is various amounts of history which make that difficult.

 

The fact is the club is owned by ambitious people who want to expand the reach of the club, grow its commercial revenue and compete at the top level. We all loved it when we won the league and the cup and to keep competing the club needs to attract new customers who spend money on the club so I don't get the animosity towards people who shop in the club shop and buy stuff. 

 

I've genuinely nothing personal against what they're trying to achieve or what they're about. 

Appreciate the response. In terms of what they can do differently it seems that options are limited, it seems like it's a case of "the people in charge are right and the people in charge cannot be questioned, if you question them then it'll just cost you more opportunities"

 

I think most sane people agree that the club should be encouraging a wide demogrpahic of people. Funnily enough, these young fans are the ones that will feel targeted against in 5-10 years when they're no longer of any commercial use to the club

 

[Union FS]

[SemperEadem]

Speaking as a member of UFS and a father. I want so badly for these sections to be there for my lads to enjoy and many other younger Leicester fans. So this idea that is is only done for a narrow minded group of supporters is just not true.

 

[Gazza3]

4 hours ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

Something like this is probably the only way to get noticed.

 

Not much to play for in the PL for the rest of the season like you say, so I would suggest that at a set minute (eg 25) in the first half of a match @Union FS organise a throwing of clappers onto the edge of the pitch at the front of SK1 followed by a staged walk out to the SK1 concourse, they can then have 20 mins of singing and atmosphere down in the concourse before HT. Others from the kop and all other areas of the ground that feel the same way about this can join them at the same time by walking out to their concourses.

 

If there are a significant amount of empty seats around the ground midway through the first half it might get the message across.

I take it you don t sit near the front them . No chance of being hit on head by clappers thrown from the back . Ridiculous idea

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

8 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Appreciate the response. In terms of what they can do differently it seems that options are limited, it seems like it's a case of "the people in charge are right and the people in charge cannot be questioned, if you question them then it'll just cost you more opportunities"

I think this is largely my point it might seem like that to people making an assumption but the idea that the club don't want to make the atmosphere better is just completely unfounded.

[Ric Flair]

Very ugly scenes down the King Power Stadium " insert any narrative to describe the atmosphere " 

[goody2028]

Disappointing but not surprising. See you all in SK1 then 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

30 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

I take it you don t sit near the front them . No chance of being hit on head by clappers thrown from the back . Ridiculous idea

I sit in the Family stand. The punk youth teams sit several rows behind me. I get hit all the time, and it is no fun. Best case scenario of a clapper protest is ... nothing happens. Other scenarios is some little old lady gets a cut on her head and that makes the front page, or some people get hit on the head and start a fistfight. Nowhere in the multiverse does it increase the odds of a singing section.

 

[CosbehFox]

I think it would surprise some how UFS have attempted tactfully around the clubs concerns in correspondence with them. In particular the rep at the FCC certainly won’t fit a perception. 
 

I am not directly a member but I do contribute/donate and have good friends within the group. It’s not a job for them, it’s a passion which they’ve spent hours on.
 

When events happen where that time gets thrown away by a late decision after approval for example, or you get sarcastically dismissed by your fellow supporters (who when you are at European away have no qualm drinking or cheering with you - the biggest laugh is the Twitter critics who then have a display within the profile), I can understand why it’s hard to bite back the words. 
 

Stadt was bang on when he said a lot of it is denied by corporate thinking. I happen to think that tier of marketing at LCFC is shocking. It’s out of date and it doesn’t get where football is heading. There’s been a shift post covid; there was a recognition that football needed fans and it’s a lot duller without it. Whereas as some PL clubs recognised that local pride was a huge part of it all and realised they could make money or similar out of it. We’ve stuttered along and been very mediocre concentrating on stuff which is a decade old. 
 

I look at what Arsenal have done with local businesses and the retro clothing done super well. Or Palace who make this huge thing that they are from a shithole and have players from that shithole. I see Villa doing stuff with Purity Brewery, Luke clothing, Digbeth Dining Club. 
 

There’s been some glimpses of light - the social media team has realised what fan stuff based bangs given the Randers video and photos from Rennes plus some utter 90s highlights porn. 
 

Every club wants to be unique and the uniqueness is in where we are from. 
 

Apologises this has become a bit of rant about multiple things 

[davieG]

3 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So you're asking to actively remove people whove had their seats for years?

 

That's nice.

UEFA and the Club seem happy to move people for the Euro games.

I'm pretty certain plenty will have to move as part of the expansion including me I suspect.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

UEFA and the Club seem happy to move people for the Euro games.

I'm pretty certain plenty will have to move as part of the expansion including me I suspect.

And at that point I gather certain changes are very likely.

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

UEFA and the Club seem happy to move people for the Euro games.

I'm pretty certain plenty will have to move as part of the expansion including me I suspect.

Tbf they are the rules. Do that or get fined. 
 

 

[SchmalleyBoots]

1 hour ago, SemperEadem said:

Speaking as a member of UFS and a father. I want so badly for these sections to be there for my lads to enjoy and many other younger Leicester fans. So this idea that is is only done for a narrow minded group of supporters is just not true.

 

Im bringing my two kids over if I can sort a ticket later this afternoon. They want to be involved in better atmospheres.

[SemperEadem]

Just now, SchmalleyBoots said:

Im bringing my two kids over if I can sort a ticket later this afternoon. They want to be involved in better atmospheres.

Thats great to hear, brilliant.

[GlennyFox55]

57 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I think what the OP is saying that they always seem to have tickets ringfenced in their own section. Not that they shouldn't be going.

 

It wouldn't be difficult to hold a section of tickets for a "singing section" if you like at away games. Maybe this could be managed through UFS selling those tickets. I know they currently try to organise those themselves by bulk buying the tickets but it is very tricky to buy them all together at once. People (and the club included) don't seem to think outside of the box too many times. It's all very much this is how it is, this is how it will continue to be.

 

You mention people should be included (rightly so), just like the Coach 1 group if that's what we want to call them, equally families. It wouldn't be too difficult to restructure the ground (other than those who seem to be so attached to their particular seat). For example:

 

Blocks P2 and P3 could be family dedicated.

P and P1 could be what L1 is now, those who want to make noise next to away fans.

The whole West Stand could be a seated area for those who enjoy clappers etc.

Half of the Kop (either split into SK1/2 and SK3/4 or top and bottom half) could be a safe standing/singing section. Or even the whole Kop eventually.

East Stand could eventually become the posh/corporate stand once redeveloped.

 

If people currently sit in one of those sections and don't associate with it, then get those to move. Have a season ticket relocation period to get some serious movement going (albeit those who are so attached to their current seat can have a reserve period to hold on to their seats). The club has to communicate this in detail or people will have no idea, maybe put reminders on their renewal packs to state which section their seat is going to be in from the new season.

 

The above is very simple for the club to action as nothing is new or suprising from a logistical perspective. However, this must come from the club and is not something the fans can just do.

Agree with all you’re saying, the problem we’ve got with the reorganising/ segmentation of the ground is the bowl style stands we have.

 

Standing sections in P/P1 and Sk1/Sk2 would probably be ideal for us in terms of likely numbers and the desire of some to be next to away fans but then it causes partial blocked views for those sat immediately next to sections, unless there’s some creative way to solve this was angles/ stairwells etc? 
 

Otherwise you need a full stand or corner blocks like what Celtic/ Bristol City have.

[SchmalleyBoots]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Thats great to hear, brilliant.

Big challenge I have longer term is I have 3 kids, myself and my dad stands with us too. Back row of P1. The chances of me getting 5 season tickets all together in SK1 is just non existent 

[davieG]

10 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Tbf they are the rules. Do that or get fined. 
 

 

Oh I know but the point is moving fans is not new or even rare it happens and the fans just have to suck it up especially with the expansion and that will inevitably also include paying more for your new location.

[sylofox]

On 23/03/2022 at 09:02, ian__marshall said:

 I get the impression from those that have attended past meetings and posted on here that the club at times see themselves above the attendees, 

No one man is bigger than the club.

 

But the club is only as big as its fan base.

 

That's why breaking into the top six is so hard. Perhaps someone needs to point this out. As without the plebs on the terraces we dont have a club.

 

It only exists because of us and our for fathers. (Not meant in a sexist way)

[SemperEadem]

22 minutes ago, SchmalleyBoots said:

Big challenge I have longer term is I have 3 kids, myself and my dad stands with us too. Back row of P1. The chances of me getting 5 season tickets all together in SK1 is just non existent 

Sadly very low. Last year for example UFS attempted to get more bodies in, in that wedge there was 3 tickets in total. 

One of the big issues with the current spot is there is no room for growth.