Summer refresh/deadwood/players that have let us down

[majaco]

The summer refresh is a bit of a red herring.

 

We don't have much deadwood.  

 

When you consider our squad, how.many have let the club down or let themselves down?

 

Soyuncu has had a poor run and probably.need to go. But he has class.   

 

Amartey always puts.a shift in.  He may be below the required standard. 

 

Choudhury will.do.a good.job somewhere.

 

Soumare had a poor first season. 

 

Perez has been very frustrating but has had good games.

 

Mendy is generally solid.

 

Some say Albrighton is surplus; I think we often play better with him.

 

Two players who have never sold.themselves are Vestegaard and Bertrand.

 

The 'refresh' is hard to enact.   It is regrettable that Rodgers said it.

[smudger63]

51 minutes ago, majaco said:

The summer refresh is a bit of a red herring.

 

We don't have much deadwood.  

 

When you consider our squad, how.many have let the club down or let themselves down?

 

Soyuncu has had a poor run and probably.need to go. But he has class.   

 

Amartey always puts.a shift in.  He may be below the required standard. 

 

Choudhury will.do.a good.job somewhere.

 

Soumare had a poor first season. 

 

Perez has been very frustrating but has had good games.

 

Mendy is generally solid.

 

Some say Albrighton is surplus; I think we often play better with him.

 

Two players who have never sold.themselves are Vestegaard and Bertrand.

 

The 'refresh' is hard to enact.   It is regrettable that Rodgers said it.

Of the players you've mentioned the only ones I would keep are Cags, and hope he sorts his form out, Mendy because he's not spectacular but can come in and do a job when needed, and Albrighton for similar reasons to Mendy. No where near a starter these days, but comes in and does a job.

I doubt Mendy will want to stay and not play again this season in any case.

Amartey I would try and move on because I'm keeping Cags, and as you say, Amartey is a trier but not really of the required standard   Soumare I would drive him myself to who ever will have him. Complete waste of money.  Choudrey needs a move to the championship, that's his level in my opinion. Perez is just not consistent enough, hes had enough chances to impress, and Vestegaards useless playing in a high line, which for the most part  is how we want to play, and finally Bertrand is only here for a last pay day.  For me, most of those you've mentioned are indeed deadwood, the problem we have is getting rid!

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, majaco said:

The summer refresh is a bit of a red herring.

 

We don't have much deadwood.  

 

When you consider our squad, how.many have let the club down or let themselves down?

 

Soyuncu has had a poor run and probably.need to go. But he has class.   

 

Amartey always puts.a shift in.  He may be below the required standard. 

 

Choudhury will.do.a good.job somewhere.

 

Soumare had a poor first season. 

 

Perez has been very frustrating but has had good games.

 

Mendy is generally solid.

 

Some say Albrighton is surplus; I think we often play better with him.

 

Two players who have never sold.themselves are Vestegaard and Bertrand.

 

The 'refresh' is hard to enact.   It is regrettable that Rodgers said it.

I'm struggling to reconcile 'we don't have much deadwood' with naming a third of our squad

[foxinsocks]

Cags can be sorted out... so can nacho daka etc. But Rodgers is a fool... he abandons players... paying them wages but not picking them. 

[majaco]

22 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

I'm struggling to reconcile 'we don't have much deadwood' with naming a third of our squad

Mitigating. 

[Phenom]

I would 100% keep Cags if he wasn’t on the last year of his contract with no interest of extending. We cannot afford to let him and Youri leave on frees.

[Aus Fox]

8 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

Cags can be sorted out... so can nacho daka etc. But Rodgers is a fool... he abandons players... paying them wages but not picking them. 

Apart from the face those 3 you’ve named played over 100 games between them last season… whilst non of them being in our strongest XI, but yeah he’s a fool who pays players but doesn’t play them…

You also realise only 14 players can play out of a squad of about 28 players last season - which means when everyone is fit half the players can’t play anyway?

[Guest Col city fan]

10 hours ago, majaco said:

The summer refresh is a bit of a red herring.

 

We don't have much deadwood.  

 

When you consider our squad, how.many have let the club down or let themselves down?

 

Soyuncu has had a poor run and probably.need to go. But he has class.   

 

Amartey always puts.a shift in.  He may be below the required standard. 

 

Choudhury will.do.a good.job somewhere.

 

Soumare had a poor first season. 

 

Perez has been very frustrating but has had good games.

 

Mendy is generally solid.

 

Some say Albrighton is surplus; I think we often play better with him.

 

Two players who have never sold.themselves are Vestegaard and Bertrand.

 

The 'refresh' is hard to enact.   It is regrettable that Rodgers said it.

This post is a contradiction

How does ‘we don’t have much deadwood’ then equate to what you’ve gone on to write!

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[murphy]

11 hours ago, majaco said:

The summer refresh is a bit of a red herring.

 

We don't have much deadwood.  

 

When you consider our squad, how.many have let the club down or let themselves down?

 

Soyuncu has had a poor run and probably.need to go. But he has class.   

 

Amartey always puts.a shift in.  He may be below the required standard. 

 

Choudhury will.do.a good.job somewhere.

 

Soumare had a poor first season. 

 

Perez has been very frustrating but has had good games.

 

Mendy is generally solid.

 

Some say Albrighton is surplus; I think we often play better with him.

 

Two players who have never sold.themselves are Vestegaard and Bertrand.

 

The 'refresh' is hard to enact.   It is regrettable that Rodgers said it.

I agree with your assessment for the most part.  I must have missed those good games that Perez played but otherwise, yes, most of those players have been useful, but I suppose they are called deadwood (I don't like the term) because they are surplus to requirements and we can;t move forward and sign new players until they are out of the squad and off the wage bill.  It's very sad that 75% of last summer's signings already fall into this category, so perhaps it is for the best.

[Sampson]

I think with 5 subs Albrighton is likely to play more next season.

 

Perfect player to bring on when we’re winning but under the cosh and need to protect a lead.

[sdb]

Vestegaard, Bertrand and Hamza are the 3 for me that simply have to go. Big wages and not good enough. 

 

Praet needs to move on unless we lose Youri and can't replace. I like Perez but suspect we'll need to cut our losses. 

 

I'd rather keep Soyuncu but I don't feel any likelihood of that happening.

 

Tie down the rest of the squad. Amartey, Albrighton et.al are valuable squad players.

[Simoken]

i swear 80% of all this is most probably 'speculation' no real statements from the players or clubs have been made, all from the medias/twitter alone. Yet im seeing Bouba being played on first team, and cags training.. yeah really on the move.

[Aus Fox]

The thing with the squad players is individually they are all fine and decent players, so if for example Fofana is out and Soyuncu/ Amartey comes in as a direct replacement in a back 4 of Ricardo, Evans, Amartey and Castagne then then there is no problem.

The problem comes collectively a back four of Thomas Amartey Soyuncu and Albrighton isn’t good enough for where we want to be, and that’s what happened too often last season.

[majaco]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

This post is a contradiction

How does ‘we don’t have much deadwood’ then equate to what you’ve gone on to write!

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I am arguing that most of the players are good.   The only real deadwood seems to be Vestegaard and Bertrand.  

 

The others all offer something.   Some have to go because we have too many players and to make room for new players.

[VLC86]

Maybe not much deadwood as such but we have a very bloated squad which on the whole is overpaid and above realistically what is sustainable for us, coupled with a fair few in their last year of their contract we really do need to get rid of some if we are the keep trying to push on.

 

We would get similar contributions for much less money for players like Hamza, Mendy, Perez, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Praet and Cags.

[adejo92]

Is this not just another thread talking about stuff that's being discussed elsewhere in various threads.

 

Do it a favour, put it out its misery.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, Simoken said:

i swear 80% of all this is most probably 'speculation' no real statements from the players or clubs have been made, all from the medias/twitter alone. Yet im seeing Bouba being played on first team, and cags training.. yeah really on the move.

...every player needs a pre season!!!

  Should we pick up a player from abroad they would also have had, our having, a pre- season. Just because you see a player in the training videos does not mean he is in anyway invested in the team in the long run.

[Guest Col city fan]

No one is coming in for any of our ‘deadwood’ players are they?

Vestergaard, Bertrand, fans favourite Dan Amartey, Soumare.

None of them have clubs queuing up for their services have they?

Why… (because they ain’t no good)

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[Clever Fox]

50 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

No one is coming in for any of our ‘deadwood’ players are they?

Vestergaard, Bertrand, fans favourite Dan Amartey, Soumare.

None of them have clubs queuing up for their services have they?

Why… (because they ain’t no good)

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No, I don't think so. The problem seems to me that we're paying Players too much basic salary. Pay them less and they become easier to shift if they don't deliver.

If they do deliver, pay them more by way of Bonuses. Appearences, Wins draws points league position etc. It's not rocket sicence.

This way we have a smaller salary bill and it makes it easier to move these players on.

Theres other Prem teams and Championship teams who would take our fringe players but cannot match the salaries we're paying them. That's the root of the problem and it needs to be sorted. 

 

[TeaMen Tom]

When you consider what they paid to aquire some of these guys, you see the waste. Out of that group they've gotten fair value from Cags. Hamza doesn't count because they developed him. Mendy has been decent when called upon.  With Albrighton it seems to me like Rodgers always wants to phase him out. So whey did they re-sign him? But he's not a negative. The rest though.....

[foxinsocks]

Well, Brendan's big rebuild? Or was it all just a narrative spun to deflect from his own weaknesses?   

We've seen peak Rodgers.  Time for him to find a new job where he can  repurpose his excuses.

[volpeazzurro]

21 hours ago, Sampson said:

I think with 5 subs Albrighton is likely to play more next season.

 

Perfect player to bring on when we’re winning but under the cosh and need to protect a lead.

I'd have replaced Tielemans with him in such situations last season. His work rate and contribution would have been far more effective. He would have also been more effective helping out the defence than Barnes and Lookman too.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

Well, Brendan's big rebuild? Or was it all just a narrative spun to deflect from his own weaknesses?   

We've seen peak Rodgers.  Time for him to find a new job where he can  repurpose his excuses.

Yep, the thought of going into a new season with his broken record book of excuses and blaming the players is hardly uplifting and neither is the drudgery of his football. 

[Silebyfox_89]

So which category are you putting each player in? Or is it all of them under the same title?

 

This post hurts my eyes.

[blue army 1988]

Soyuncu, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Perez, Choudhry and Praet need to be moved on.

 

Amarty and Albrighton could be moved on if we get better replacements.

 

Tielemans needs to decide if he wants to stay or not. If he doesn't get him out of the club. If he does, great but his head was turned massivly towards the end of the season and that's what his bad performances were from imo.

 

Other than that, maybe a few loans here and there. Maybe send Thomas out on loan as he's not going to get much game time this season if everyone stays fit.

 

 

That would be a refresh for me.