Concerned for next season?

[Noahfence]

On 21/07/2022 at 22:50, The whole world smiles said:

Mate, 

 

Have a look at this team... 

 

Study the players that are in it, and explain to me how in gods name they get less than 40 points next season? 

 

Madness! 

 

 

[Pliskin]

16 minutes ago, Bert said:

He’s put his trust in someone that’s a

million miles out of their depth. 

Exactly this. 

[Mark_w]

Thank you merciful God 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

On 22/07/2022 at 12:01, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's been the same for years, I bet teams love playing against us, they know they're in for an easy ride physically.

[String fellow]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

I don’t think he’s lost desire. He has had a major personal bereavement which is bound to change him. Perhaps Top is a different person now he’s lost his father, in the circumstances he did. 
 

Tops biggest downfall is that he has surrounded himself with idiots. Rudkin is the master of our downfall, but I don’t think Top can see anything wrong with him.

Wise words. A  major personal bereavement can have devastating effects on someone, including suddenly realising that all life's struggles will ultimately turn to dust. This can cause complete loss of drive and ambition in life generally, and everything then seems pointless and empty.

Having said that, there's also perhaps a feeling within the club generally that the twin goals of winning the PL and FAC have finally been achieved, so the desire to go for glory again has lost some of its appeal. If my life's ambition were to climb Everest, would I then want to climb it again? Definitely not - too much effort would be needed, both physical and mental.

[Scotch]

I just looked at the out of contract list for the summer and I got REAL concerned. We NEED to get recruitment right this summer and seeing names like Ryan Kent, Tom Davies, Nathan Redmond, Jesse Lingard, Ross Barkley and Jeff Schlupp has put some ice in my veins.

Edited 17 May 2023 by Scotch

[Angus Scott]

My only hope for next season is that we avoid relegation

[ARM1968]

I’m seriously concerned. If we manage to sell Madders and Barnes for a combined £100 million - big If, we would have the financial resources to buy in what we need. We will lose a number of players. Those remaining are not what you need in the championship- mostly. 
 

I also don’t think Smith is the man for the job, but I hear he likely will be if and when we are relegated. I hope this isn’t the case. I don’t feel he has what it takes to bring us back up. 
 

my own personal feeling is that we will be lucky to finish mid table. As always, I hope I’m wrong. 

[Brainy]

17 hours ago, Matt said:

This thread makes for funny reading.

 

Glad some saw the warning signs and red flags.

Lol give us tonight's lotto numbers you absolute geniuses 

[CyprusFox]

17 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

I’m seriously concerned. If we manage to sell Madders and Barnes for a combined £100 million - big If, we would have the financial resources to buy in what we need. We will lose a number of players. Those remaining are not what you need in the championship- mostly. 
 

I also don’t think Smith is the man for the job, but I hear he likely will be if and when we are relegated. I hope this isn’t the case. I don’t feel he has what it takes to bring us back up. 
 

my own personal feeling is that we will be lucky to finish mid table. As always, I hope I’m wrong. 

Is the Smith staying on thing from a reliable source?

[The Doctor]

18 minutes ago, Stinky said:

Lol give us tonight's lotto numbers you absolute geniuses 

eh? huge difference between being able to read obvious signs and being able to predict randomness 

[funkyrobot]

On 22/07/2022 at 01:52, Dan LCFC said:

I think if we got relegated it'd be one of the most disastrous in the PL era, up there with the very worst - given the level of talent we have in our side.

 

I do think if we have another few windows like the last then we'll force ourselves into the mix but I'd be gobsmacked if we came down. The fact we played anywhere near our potential about 4 times last season in the league and came 8th sums up how bad we actually have to be to manage to drop. Even on off days we're often bailed out by attacking quality.

[ARM1968]

27 minutes ago, CyprusFox said:

Is the Smith staying on thing from a reliable source?

Been right a few times. 

[st albans fox]

51 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

I’m seriously concerned. If we manage to sell Madders and Barnes for a combined £100 million - big If, we would have the financial resources to buy in what we need. We will lose a number of players. Those remaining are not what you need in the championship- mostly. 
 

I also don’t think Smith is the man for the job, but I hear he likely will be if and when we are relegated. I hope this isn’t the case. I don’t feel he has what it takes to bring us back up. 
 

my own personal feeling is that we will be lucky to finish mid table. As always, I hope I’m wrong. 

If the club think they’re getting 100m for madders and Barnes then it makes sense that they’d decide to keep smith - they are the most deluded leadership in the  PL and likely EFL too ….

[sm1]

I think as a squad we've got enough to do well in the championship, even losing the amount of players we are. The problem is the hierarchy. Top, Rudkin et al scare me because they're all so shit at their jobs. Vichai pulled out master strokes with Pearson and Ranieri. Top will probably stick with Smith, who looked ok on paper, but in reality looks clueless too.

[Cincinnati Fox]

So we are playing in Singapore, 5 days before the championship season starts??

 

Liverpool FC will return to Singapore for their pre-season tour this summer, after a hugely successful visit last year.

The Reds will face Leicester City and Bayern Munich as part of the Singapore Festival of Football.

First up will be Leicester at the National Stadium in Singapore on Sunday July 30

[Les-TA-Jon]

We're asking a club, which has spectacularly messed up recruitment for the last 2 years, to sell and replace up to approx 18 players. And all with a manager who will have never managed us for a competitive game. 

 

 

We can't even field an 11, let alone a bench 

 

(I haven't accounted for youth players because I don't know enough there)

[EnderbyFox]

The posters from the first few pages of this thread

 

 

 

 

[Brainy]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

eh? huge difference between being able to read obvious signs and being able to predict randomness 

What about 9th, 5th, 5th and 8th screams relegation? I know there's more to look at than just league positions in previous years but nothing about last season screams relegation. Especially considering this thread was created before we sold two first choice players. All they had to go off was a lack of signings (to add to the team that again I'll remind you finished 8th) and probably their vendetta against Rodgers which they have probably held since freakishly early. We also ended the season well, don't care whether Watford/Southampton and Norwich were amongst the opposition. Signs may have existed that showed we'd not really be competing for Europe, maybe a boring mid-table finish at worst but no, even those who muttered the words relegation before this season started must admit that this season has gone worse than they ever imagined. 

Edited 17 May 2023 by Stinky

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, Stinky said:

What about 9th, 5th, 5th and 8th screams relegation? I know there's more to look at than just league positions in previous years but nothing about last season screams relegation. Especially considering thing thread was created before we sold two first choice players. All they had to go off was a lack of signings (to add to the team that again I'll remind you finished 8th) and probably their vendetta against Rodgers which they have probably held since freakishly early. We also ended the season well, don't care whether Watford/Southampton and Norwich were amongst the opposition. Signs may have existed that showed we'd not really be competing for Europe, maybe a boring mid-table finish at worst but no, even those who muttered the words relegation before this season started must admit that this season has gone worse than they ever imagined. 

love to quote myself being right, but that underlying stats and the performances were very concerning and I said it multiple times last summer and at the end of last season:

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/129152-everton-h-match-thread/page/17/#comment-6433456

 

 

 

On 26/07/2022 at 16:27, The Doctor said:

I can't really be bothered to read 9 pages, but it is a legitimate fear. The table based on expected points last season (basically, an expression of points based on expected goals) had us 15th, ahead of only the three relegated clubs, Newcastle and wolves (and the latter two only because we really padded our stats in the last three games, filter them out and it's 17th). We ran incredibly hot in front of goal last season (no side outperformed their xG by more than we did) but that does mask a few problems and relies basically on Maddison still having a point to prove to Southgate, an increasingly aging Vardy staying fit and clinical and where he's not fit, Daka and Iheanacho stepping up.

 

On 26/07/2022 at 17:06, The Doctor said:

Basically, we massively overperformed in attack and defence last season based on the chances we created and chances we gave up. That isn't exactly sustainable and we need to improve all-round play or we will slowly be dragged down into relegation battles and have a Southampton esque trajectory 

did I expect it to go this bad this quick? no, I was expecting us to bin Rodgers off in October after a poor start and would recover to about 12th-14th, but the board neglecting their duty of care to the club and leaving Rodgers in charge left a relegation scrap inevitable 

[Sampson]

Got to say, the bumping of this thread so people can delight in our misery and proudly gloat they were right and told us so is pretty sad

[Ian Nacho]

2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

We're asking a club, which has spectacularly messed up recruitment for the last 2 years, to sell and replace up to approx 18 players. And all with a manager who will have never managed us for a competitive game. 

 

 

We can't even field an 11, let alone a bench 

 

(I haven't accounted for youth players because I don't know enough there)

What’s with the pride flag?

 

[The Doctor]

16 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

What’s with the pride flag?

 

ironic given most of the players highlighted haven't had any pride this season 

[Grebfromgrebland]

30 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Got to say, the bumping of this thread so people can delight in our misery and proudly gloat they were right and told us so is pretty sad

What else have people got to cheer??

[Brainy]

1 hour ago, Stinky said:

What about 9th, 5th, 5th and 8th screams relegation? I know there's more to look at than just league positions in previous years but nothing about last season screams relegation. Especially considering this thread was created before we sold two first choice players. All they had to go off was a lack of signings (to add to the team that again I'll remind you finished 8th) and probably their vendetta against Rodgers which they have probably held since freakishly early. We also ended the season well, don't care whether Watford/Southampton and Norwich were amongst the opposition. Signs may have existed that showed we'd not really be competing for Europe, maybe a boring mid-table finish at worst but no, even those who muttered the words relegation before this season started must admit that this season has gone worse than they ever imagined. 

Cracking argument @Matt as always