THE BOARD

[Tanya]

A lot of spiralling here. 

 

The board need to summon the courage here. Act swiftly and we have all season to sort it out. This squad is fine. Not great but they need confidence and a new voice in the dressing room.

 

Where the board will need to earn its money is Rodgers replacement. Nail it and the season can be salvaged. If it goes awry, then some of the criticism here will be warranted.

 

The club has made mistakes but we are at the end of a glorious period. The rebuild will start as soon as Rodgers goes.

 

[Fazzer 7]

The longer they delay the inevitable the worse our position gets. Sack him now, it’s that obvious. 

[LinekersLugs]

Now a days  it seems forbidden to question the owners of our Club 

 

But it’s time we start to dissect what’s gone on the last year and how this all might end

Reading his programme notes do not fill me with Confidence that Top is the man the steer a sinking ship to safety ! 
 

they have allowed a very toxic situation to develop financially, that’s neglect really, the premier league is littered with disastrous outcomes for clubs who decide not to invest when everyone else is smashing the bank account

 

This window almost 2 BILLION has been spent by premier league clubs  we have spent £15m …. Just 0.75% of that spend !!! 
 

maybe Rodgers isn’t the only problem we have, he is getting pelters while those that run the club (created this mess) seem to get a free run. 

 

I’m really worried now … as relegation is a very realistic outcome to this mess 

 

I’m not sure Top has the skill set to manage a huge Crisis

[Guest itude]

Heard this kind of thing so many times in the last few weeks. I don't disagree with the sentiment ( hope ? ) of those who have said any of the above, and yet he has not gone, and there is no clear indication of any deadline, or anything, is there ?

Is it just us trying to avoid giving him a payout ( the amount of which is unclear ) ?

Are those at the "top" just totally indecisive ?

Has the club unreasonable and unrealistic faith in his abilities ?

Has Top just stuck his head in the sand ? or does he want to sell ?

Scott Parker got the chop for a lot less in the broader sense, and yet Rodgers lives on

I don't care to make any predictions myself, because so far he seems to be able to survive things that would have had many managers out by now.

What do you think ?

Edited 2 September 2022 by itude

[Monk]

Feel like we went through similar pandemonium when Pearson and Sven and Puel were near the end of their tenures. Doesn’t help that there’s even more speculation now about who said what etc. 

[fox in the sox]

16 hours ago, Gav_LCFC14 said:

Rodgers has to go. But make no mistake the board have made no attempt to improve the squad this season. 

 

Infrastructure investments should not come at the detriment of the 1st team investments.

 

The Premier league is unforgiving to those who stand still and watch. This has been a terrible miscalculation by the board. I genuinely feel the worst is going to happen all because the club tried to save a few million. The money they saved this season will be nothing compared to the loss made of relegation.

Infrastructure investment is to make the club sustainable in the future. You can have more players now if you want but it is obvious that would lead to major problems down the line.

[fox in the sox]

9 minutes ago, itude said:

Heard this kind of thing so many times in the last few weeks. I don't disagree with the sentiment ( hope ? ) of those who have said any of the above, and yet he has not gone, and there is no clear indication of any deadline, or anything, is there ?

Is it just us trying to avoid giving him a payout ( the amount of which is unclear ) ?

Are those at the "top" just totally indecisive ?

Has the club unreasonable and unrealistic faith in his abilities ?

Has Top just stuck his head in the sand ? or does he want to sell ?

Scott Parker got the chop for a lot less in the broader sense, and yet Rodgers lives on

I don't care to make any predictions myself, because so far he seems to be able to survive things that would have had many managers out by now.

What do you think ?

Scott Parker did a decent job at Bournemouth but there was no evidence to suggest he could do a good job for them in the Premier League. Rodger’s excellent record in previous seasons shows what he can do and this means he will get longer. Personally I think it’s time for him to go now because he seems to have lost any enthusiasm for the job but I can see why he would be given more time.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

14 hours ago, Babylon said:

He literally just wrote you a ****ing letter telling you the situation. We need to chill with the ****ing spending for a season.

And you believe it? There's no logical explanation how ffp has anything to do with it.

[UniFox21]

1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And you believe it? There's no logical explanation how ffp has anything to do with it.

Tbf there's nothing logical about how FFP works 

[HarryDee8]

Is the board asleep lol. What is their response to Brendan or answers to what he has raised. 

 

Could they be incompetent aswell?

[Lambert09]

the board have messed up and i hope they know that. You don’t pay a manager a salary that you can’t afford to axe them from, you just don’t! it’s madness in football and the club that had to fire the guy that won us the premiership, and the guy who did the great escape, should know better.

 

in footballing terms he should have gone minutes after his post forest press conference. That was the real end for his time here. as a club we’ve been dead since then. An enjoyable european run papered over some cracks and left a lot of us in a bit of a limbo but it was evident last year we were on the slide. 

 

Useless in the market, terrible with injuries and finally he’s lost the ability to motivate the team and play good football. He’s absolutely useless and i think we are going to find it very hard  to turn around. 

 

What’s frustrating,is that in the summer, we could have gone for someone new and exciting. But when you are already sat at the foot of the table, it takes a very brave decision to hire someone who doesn’t have prem experience. So genuinely, it looks like we will be forced into dyche… could be good, could be awful i’m not decided yet. but it’s not the direction any of us wanted to go in

Edited 2 September 2022 by Lambert09

[tsintskaro]

6 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

15 hours ago, Babylon said:

He literally just wrote you a ****ing letter telling you the situation. We need to chill with the ****ing spending for a season.

 

I swear some fans would blame Son and Richarlison's dive for clubs declining instead of pointing their finger towards owner

Edited 2 September 2022 by tsintskaro

[filbertway]

 

35 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And you believe it? There's no logical explanation how ffp has anything to do with it.

Why is that?

 

I was under the impression we were at 80-90% wages compared to our turnover.

 

We also didn't sell anyone last season and have no European income that will be coming in this year. We've also taking out a massive loan, which I assume will be for paying for the ground work/arena in a couple of weeks assuming they get the go ahead. If that doesn't get confirmed then I'll probably be quite concerned as I'm sure I read it was for £140-150 million.

 

All that together, it seems quite logical to me why we might want to take stock this season and then look to build up next season when we can get about 6/7 players off the wage bill.

 

Happy to be corrected on anything to be fair as all of my thoughts are based on me believing the above to be true.

[Chrysalis]

7 hours ago, Tanya said:

A lot of spiralling here. 

 

The board need to summon the courage here. Act swiftly and we have all season to sort it out. This squad is fine. Not great but they need confidence and a new voice in the dressing room.

 

Where the board will need to earn its money is Rodgers replacement. Nail it and the season can be salvaged. If it goes awry, then some of the criticism here will be warranted.

 

The club has made mistakes but we are at the end of a glorious period. The rebuild will start as soon as Rodgers goes.

 

Next 4 games are valuable winnable games for a new manager but I can see them giving them to Rodgers.   They need to grow some balls.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

9 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Why is that?

 

I was under the impression we were at 80-90% wages compared to our turnover.

 

We also didn't sell anyone last season and have no European income that will be coming in this year. We've also taking out a massive loan, which I assume will be for paying for the ground work/arena in a couple of weeks assuming they get the go ahead. If that doesn't get confirmed then I'll probably be quite concerned as I'm sure I read it was for £140-150 million.

 

All that together, it seems quite logical to me why we might want to take stock this season and then look to build up next season when we can get about 6/7 players off the wage bill.

 

Happy to be corrected on anything to be fair as all of my thoughts are based on me believing the above to be true.

Whilst that is true we're no more at risk of ffp than anyone else and in fact far better than some. It's a comvenient excuse when you don't want to pump millions in. 

 

I'll tell you what will make us at risk of ffp - losing our premier league status and not having many businesses that are keen to do commercial partnerships with us.

[Balj]

11 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Why is that?

 

I was under the impression we were at 80-90% wages compared to our turnover.

 

We also didn't sell anyone last season and have no European income that will be coming in this year. We've also taking out a massive loan, which I assume will be for paying for the ground work/arena in a couple of weeks assuming they get the go ahead. If that doesn't get confirmed then I'll probably be quite concerned as I'm sure I read it was for £140-150 million.

 

All that together, it seems quite logical to me why we might want to take stock this season and then look to build up next season when we can get about 6/7 players off the wage bill.

 

Happy to be corrected on anything to be fair as all of my thoughts are based on me believing the above to be true.

I agree.  It’s a season to stay up and consolidate finances.  Nothing to be gained from incurring termination costs for manager and back room chasing unlikely league position - different (unlikely) if they walk of course.

[Chrysalis]

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

Whilst that is true we're no more at risk of ffp than anyone else and in fact far better than some. It's a comvenient excuse when you don't want to pump millions in. 

 

I'll tell you what will make us at risk of ffp - losing our premier league status and not having many businesses that are keen to do commercial partnerships with us.

Pretty much this, FFP is a convenient excuse, if Top wanted to put money in and invest in the squad there would have been a way.

 

Been relegated will make the current financial situation feel like play school.

[Stadt]

18 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Why is that?

 

I was under the impression we were at 80-90% wages compared to our turnover.

 

We also didn't sell anyone last season and have no European income that will be coming in this year. We've also taking out a massive loan, which I assume will be for paying for the ground work/arena in a couple of weeks assuming they get the go ahead. If that doesn't get confirmed then I'll probably be quite concerned as I'm sure I read it was for £140-150 million.

 

All that together, it seems quite logical to me why we might want to take stock this season and then look to build up next season when we can get about 6/7 players off the wage bill.

 

Happy to be corrected on anything to be fair as all of my thoughts are based on me believing the above to be true.

We have a fair bit of clearance with the actual threshold because of the FFP accounting period extension due to Covid. The club want to run more sustainably after ****ing up our finances, FFP is good cover for that.

 

The lines coming out of the club are it's UEFA's FFP we're worried about but incidentally our lack of spending means we don't have to worry about qualifying anyway. The club are cutting the cloth but not putting any processes in to make the most of it. Analytics are the perfect way to do more with less and we don't seem interested anymore.

Edited 2 September 2022 by Stadt

[K789]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And you believe it? There's no logical explanation how ffp has anything to do with it.

Yeah my take too we seem to be the only club bothered which is convenient 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And you believe it? There's no logical explanation how ffp has anything to do with it.

There is if you ever hope to play in Europe and, as already reported the premier league are going to adopt a similar set of rules.

 

It’s a convenient excuse to pin a lot of it on, but he mentions numerous other reasons, infrastructure, covid, not selling players etc. 

[Babylon]

24 minutes ago, K789 said:

Yeah my take too we seem to be the only club bothered which is convenient 

We had the highest wage to revenue percentage, of course it impacts us more than others. And… it wasn’t the only reason he listed. 

[filbertway]

19 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Whilst that is true we're no more at risk of ffp than anyone else and in fact far better than some. It's a comvenient excuse when you don't want to pump millions in. 

 

I'll tell you what will make us at risk of ffp - losing our premier league status and not having many businesses that are keen to do commercial partnerships with us.

 

13 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We have a fair bit of clearance with the actual threshold because of the FFP accounting period extension due to Covid. The club want to run more sustainably after ****ing up our finances, FFP is good cover for that.

 

The lines coming out of the club are it's UEFA's FFP we're worried about but incidentally our lack of spending means we don't have to worry about qualifying anyway. The club are cutting the cloth but not putting any processes in to make the most of it. Analytics are the perfect way to do more with less and we don't seem interested anymore.

 

Cheers chaps

 

I'm quite comfortable with the overall aim. We need to be self-sustaining and we're putting together an infrastructure that will allow us to do that in the future. King power in theory could fund the infrastructure developments and they wouldn't have an affect on FFP. Instead, we're planning to use the clubs own money to invest in these, which means that funds will likely be limited for the next 3 seasons, till we've finished off paying our loan in 2025.

 

@Stadt I totally agree, given that we're not willing and really unable to spend the money that will bring in proven reputations, we really should be focusing on finding raw talent that can be signed at a fairly decent price, that we are fairly confident can be developed into good top flight players.

 

We've really ballsed up by deviating from that method and it's left us now with only a couple of assets that are potentially worth big money and very little money to sign new players.

 

I expect to see us sign 5 or 6 18-23 year old next summer and get that conveyor belt moving again. We've got to kickstart it next summer when most of our dead wood will be out of contract.

 

My two main concerns

1) We don't seem to care about improving the standard of the academy. World class facilities being used by tired old dinosaurs that had a cushty gig at a championship club and are now running an academy that should be aiming to be at an elite level. No idea why McGuiness left, but it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to gut the academy and build the staff up from scratch, then got told no.

 

2) How they can still be backing Rodgers, I have no idea.

2a) Rudkin seems to be absolutely untouchable. I'd send him to Thailand to work for KP and get in an elite sporting director.

 

 

[Guest itude]

Why did my post get moved here ?. It was not a reply to anything here, it was not agreed by me, it was a new forum subject, and done according to the guidelines.

It is not primarily about the board either !

What is the point of starting a new subject forum if it just gets posted in the middle of another one, to which it is not entirely related ?

 

Edited 2 September 2022 by itude

[los dedos]

 

[RowlattsFox]

Who is responsible for negotiating contracts? Is that Rudkin? 

 

Would be no surprise if our change if plans, as Rodgers put it, is because him and Rudkin have fell out. 

 

Difficult to say he isn't good enough as I don't know what he does but I fear Rudkin is a big part of the problem..

 

Cliche but maybe we are just victims of our own recent success. We can't sustain what we've become 

Edited 2 September 2022 by RowlattsFox