The Weather

[Parafox]

25 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Probably because they weren't required I guess

1976 begs to differ. 

We had severe, prolonged snow in 1963.

The storm of 1987 which Michael Fish famously discounted.

There's been a number of severe weather events over time which we never had Met Office warnings for.

 

I'm not saying it's wrong, but there's always been severe weather at times, albeit now it's more frequent and widespread but back then we just got on with stuff without being nannied because common sense prevailed. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 19:18 by Parafox

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

1976 begs to differ. 

We had severe, prolonged snow in 1963.

The storm of 1987 which Michael Fish famously discounted.

There's been a number of severe weather events over time which we never had Met Office warnings for.

 

I'm not saying it's wrong, but there's always been severe weather at times, albeit now it's more frequent and widespread but back then we just got on with stuff without being nannied because common sense prevailed. 

 

 

Unfortunately, such events are becoming both more frequent and more severe and both will only get worse over time. 

 

"Keep Calm and Carry On", while a fine idea, won't prevail in the end on this one, not without taking both the problem and the solutions seriously. 

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Yes records are being broken year on year which was sort of my point.Temperatures of mid 30c plus have been common place nearly every single year since at least 2013.This isn’t like August 1990 when we hit the mid 30s and it was like nothing we’d ever seen before.

Prolonged heatwaves are something I’ve become used to.

On the other thing.I gave a ppov to a point  made by another poster.I believe being physically fit gives you a huge advantage at getting through extreme conditions.

2026 has set an annual record with 8 days above 34c 

since 2013, the years 2014, 2016, 2017, 2021, 2023 and 2024 failed to reach 35c at all. 
 

I think you’ve set your stall out too high with mid thirties. That’s still an unusually high temperature for the uk (which highlights high crazy this year is with us having broken the 34c record by early July) 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, Parafox said:

1976 begs to differ. 

We had severe, prolonged snow in 1963.

The storm of 1987 which Michael Fish famously discounted.

There's been a number of severe weather events over time which we never had Met Office warnings for.

 

I'm not saying it's wrong, but there's always been severe weather at times, albeit now it's more frequent and widespread but back then we just got on with stuff without being nannied because common sense prevailed.

 

 

I understand your points. Mind not sure sense was that common. I think perhaps human life despite problems is more highly regarded now. To give you an extreme example although not weather related after the Farnborough air crash in 1950s when pilot and many in the crowd were killed the event carried on. I suspect this year seems extreme as the really uncomfortable heat etc started in May which wasn't even officially Summer 

[ramboacdc]

2 nights out camping Friday and Saturday at a festival. Good lord this gonna be fun to keep hydrated and covered

[Parafox]

25 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

2 nights out camping Friday and Saturday at a festival. Good lord this gonna be fun to keep hydrated and covered

I hope it's worth it. Which festival?

[Parafox]

45 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I understand your points. Mind not sure sense was that common. I think perhaps human life despite problems is more highly regarded now. To give you an extreme example although not weather related after the Farnborough air crash in 1950s when pilot and many in the crowd were killed the event carried on. I suspect this year seems extreme as the really uncomfortable heat etc started in May which wasn't even officially Summer 

I think we rely more on being told what to do by government and pressure groups, than actually knowing what to do from advice and common sense handed down over generations. That kind of boils down to many families these days not bothering or being lazy in their parenting.

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

2026 has set an annual record with 8 days above 34c 

since 2013, the years 2014, 2016, 2017, 2021, 2023 and 2024 failed to reach 35c at all. 
 

I think you’ve set your stall out too high with mid thirties. That’s still an unusually high temperature for the uk (which highlights high crazy this year is with us having broken the 34c record by early July) 

Depends what the definition of mid thirties is? 

2013/14 may have been a tad under but both were long hot,dry summers.The trend has been more and more of the same ever since.

September 2023 saw temperatures exceed 30c for 7 days running.People will have forgotten this.When it happens again(which it will)the general public will act like it’s never happened before

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

Don't you have one of the electric ones? They're all I see in Hinckley.

Whoopie for Hinckley.

 

When they went electric, we got their hand-me-downs, which were worse than what we had.

 

Only Royal Fail.

 

Now you understand why I'm not so critical of how our football club is run. It's rosy by comparison.

[ramboacdc]

51 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I hope it's worth it. Which festival?

Iron Maiden at Knebworth. Only the 2 nights instead of the usual 5, but i have apparently bought enough booze to last me 6-7 months

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

Yeah of course it does help. Hence babies and young kids, elderly and unwell people are the ones mainly negatively affected.

 

My point was, even as someone of a good age who is healthy and physically fit, I think we should be sensitive to those many people in our families, at work and communities who aren’t ok. And my personal view is, people banging on about how much they enjoy this heat and how great it it, or the old ‘stop moaning, it’s summer’ comments are insensitive to that and in many cases, self serving.

 

I acknowledge I may have overreacted to you personally and my annoyance probably comes from the amount of people you do see completely dismissing it.

I’m in the minority and I totally understand most people (and wildlife)struggle or at least find the conditions uncomfortable. 
As a kid I disliked the summer and long daylight hours and much preferred the winter.Now it’s a complete reversal.

 

The schools thing.I have never seen the need for children to still be going to classes way into the back end of July.I know that is just the way things are now and it fits with the economy going into August limp mode.For the days of the old July fortnight.Kids should be off having fun in the last week of June.Not sat in boiling hot classrooms.Towards the end of my school life and as the eight week break got cut to 6 1/2 Leicester kept the fortnight and we went back around the 20th of August.A nice gentle break in before and after the bank holiday then straight back in to the swing of it come September.This maximised the school year as it gave pupils an extra couple of weeks at the right end of the school year.Especially those taking exams where  the school year effectively ends in April barring the exams.It also meant avoiding the hottest weather.

[st albans fox]

42 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Depends what the definition of mid thirties is? 

2013/14 may have been a tad under but both were long hot,dry summers.The trend has been more and more of the same ever since.

September 2023 saw temperatures exceed 30c for 7 days running.People will have forgotten this.When it happens again(which it will)the general public will act like it’s never happened before

Mid thirties = 34+ 

 

we used to use 30c as the bar for a v hot day in the uk 

 

twenty years ago, if it was 26c then we thought ‘wow, what a warm day’.  Now it barely registers as anything other than normal 

[Parafox]

34 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

Iron Maiden at Knebworth. Only the 2 nights instead of the usual 5, but i have apparently bought enough booze to last me 6-7 months

Not the best way to stay hydrated 🤣

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Unfortunately, such events are becoming both more frequent and more severe and both will only get worse over time. 

 

"Keep Calm and Carry On", while a fine idea, won't prevail in the end on this one, not without taking both the problem and the solutions seriously. 

We didn't know then what we know now. 

Clearly the climate is changing. Do we really need to be "advised" on the risks and actions when mostly it's basic common sense. Well, it should be but I guess the government and Met Office have to start with the lowest common denominator and aim advice at the most stupid and simple in our society.

 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

We didn't know then what we know now. 

Clearly the climate is changing. Do we really need to be "advised" on the risks and actions when mostly it's basic common sense. Well, it should be but I guess the government and Met Office have to start with the lowest common denominator and aim advice at the most stupid and simple in our society.

 

No disagreement there. 

[Samilktray]

Fair play to anyone who’s mastered the art of sleeping in this without air con

[Ecdysiast]

Diazapam, white wine and world cup... snooze

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, Samilktray said:

Fair play to anyone who’s mastered the art of sleeping in this without air con

I'm lying in bed physically melting. 

[LCFCJohn]

7 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

I’m in the minority and I totally understand most people (and wildlife)struggle or at least find the conditions uncomfortable. 
As a kid I disliked the summer and long daylight hours and much preferred the winter.Now it’s a complete reversal.

 

The schools thing.I have never seen the need for children to still be going to classes way into the back end of July.I know that is just the way things are now and it fits with the economy going into August limp mode.For the days of the old July fortnight.Kids should be off having fun in the last week of June.Not sat in boiling hot classrooms.Towards the end of my school life and as the eight week break got cut to 6 1/2 Leicester kept the fortnight and we went back around the 20th of August.A nice gentle break in before and after the bank holiday then straight back in to the swing of it come September.This maximised the school year as it gave pupils an extra couple of weeks at the right end of the school year.Especially those taking exams where  the school year effectively ends in April barring the exams.It also meant avoiding the hottest weather.

I’m the same in that I really struggled with it even in my 20’s, but the past couple of years, and since being in my 30’s, I’m finding it uncomfortable yes, but bearable and do manage to get to sleep etc. 
 

As I say, the concern for others (and wildlife as you say) and just a worry about the direction of this for the future both me more than the here and now. 
 

That schools stuff is interesting. I presume this is the context as to why Leicestershire school holidays start a decent bit before most of the country? As a child, I just remember us going on holiday before the rest of the country turned up a week later. Now I live in Yorkshire but my niece and nephew have already finished but the schools around here are in until probably next week I think. 
 

I think the long and short of it is, these mid-30’s temperatures aren’t ’just summer’ as some like to claim. It’s a trajectory and a concerning one. The country shouldn’t grind to a halt but we aren’t well equipped for it and we will have to adapt. It’s why I have no time for the ‘1976’ argument as it was a freak one off few weeks at the time and clearly overall, it is worse now. But we do need to adapt to get on with it but denial from people doesn’t help that. Maybe the future will be earlier starting and finishing school/work days. It feels for years now the roads are busier earlier in the mornings and the traditional 9-5 day isn’t that anymore. 

[Rubbersoul]

Just seen news about wildfires in Southern Spain. 11 deaths & 18 missing including British nationals. 
 

I hope you’re all safe @FoxesDeb

[st albans fox]

49 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

Just seen news about wildfires in Southern Spain. 11 deaths & 18 missing including British nationals. 
 

I hope you’re all safe @FoxesDeb

She’s commented on the climate change thread

 Not too far from her 

 

scary 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Those battling the fire in Spain can take comfort in the fact it was 30 degrees for a few weeks in 1976.

[Footballwipe]

21 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Those battling the fire in Spain can take comfort in the fact it was 30 degrees for a few weeks in 1976.

In 1976 they'd just put the fire out and get on with it without any fuss I reckon. It is summer after all, this kind of thing happens.

Edited Friday at 10:45 by Footballwipe

[Sol thewall Bamba]

5 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

In 1976 they'd just put the fire out and get on with it without any fuss I reckon. It is summer after all, this kind of thing happens.

Then they had to walk uphill to school and uphill home again!

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Then they had to walk uphill to school and uphill home again!

Luxury!