Newport (H) Carabao Cup - Tues 8th Nov - Pre-Match Thread

[ARM1968]

Can you imagine fielding some of these teams and what would happen?  Jeez it would be a massacre. We aren’t Man City. Couple of astute additions from youth, but we really need to be going for this. 

[AjcW]

I see another random one from Sky then, decided to not televise a single cup game on tuesday in favour of Championship fixtures.

 

But obviously have made room on Wednesday for Man City vs Chelsea  

 

 

[moore_94]

35 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Maswanhise has to play - looking at some of these suggested XIs without Barnes shows up how poor our squad building has been. 

 

We’ve got three first team wide players and only one of them can run. Maswanhise deserves a chance, 5 goals in 742 minutes for the (badly performing) u21s so far this season.

He didn’t play for the under 21s on Friday so I think he might be injured

 

Definitely deserves a chance if he is fit though

[Ric Flair]

8 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

OK - I'll take a shot. 

 

People often call for youngsters and academy players to play when the vast majority will ultimately leave the club and end up playing in the lower leagues. You see this often when people pick out this or that player - who then can't get a game when on loan to a 4th division side. Everyone remembers the one Calvin Bassey, but forgets the ten Vontae Daley-Campbells. 

 

There is also the issue of fitness and form. Some of the players around the squad may suddenly find they are required to cover for injured players. These games are good for ensuring they're ready by a having a competitive game under their belts: Iversen, Thomas, Soyuncu, Evans, Albrighton, N'didi, Praet, Perez and Iheanacho are all players that need minutes. 

 

I'm just being devil's advocate here and don't know the academy players like some do. Is anyone really confident that one of them has the potential to be the next KDH, Thomas or Barnes? If they are then why isn't that player already loaned out and doing what Barnes did at West Brom or KDH at Luton? 

Braybrooke has been labelled an incredible talent by Rodgers and that he won't hesitate to use him if the opportunity arises, whatever that means. He also said of him last season that he might need a loan move and they'd look to do that last summer which seemed on course to happen but then didn't. 

 

He's been captain of England U18's and now stepped up to England U19's, on paper he's got the heritage at youth level that put him up there with Chilwell and Barnes but until he gets the chance it's hard to say just how well he will do. My gut feeling is he is going to be a great player and one whom we will really be thankful of when Tielemans moves on, he is the exact same type of midfielder.

 

Also, baring in mind if we get through this round then the next round is on during the World Cup, we may well have to play fringe players/academy players against possible better opposition so tomorrow is surely the time to test him and possibly 1 or 2 others from the bench.

 

Maswanhise has weirdly gone from being Brendan's protégé at the end of 2020/21 season and pre-season of 2021/22 to not being seen again in the first team squads and yet in the early part of this season when we had few winger options and were struggling, he was scoring in 7 consecutive games for the U21's and yet still couldn't even get a place on the bench. That's what irks me.

 

 

[Jobyfox]

I’m never one to say these competitions don’t matter and want to win, but sensible rotation is key. As long as the team is balanced we should be capable of winning with squad players. 
 

Others, who have more knowledge of the academy players, have convinced me that Braybrooke, at least , should be given an opportunity. I suppose what I hadn’t factored in was that Tielemans, Praet and Mendy probably won’t be with us for much longer and succession planning needs to start. 
 

I guess for Braybrooke, from what people have said, it’s a case of: if not now then when? 

[Shane]

Give Barnes a rest and play Alves or Maswanhise at LW.

[lanefox]

Just want Braybrooke, Wormleighton, Brunt, Alves and Maswanhise to br given some game time

[themightyfin]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Braybrooke has been labelled an incredible talent by Rodgers and that he won't hesitate to use him if the opportunity arises, whatever that means. He also said of him last season that he might need a loan move and they'd look to do that last summer which seemed on course to happen but then didn't. 

 

He's been captain of England U18's and now stepped up to England U19's, on paper he's got the heritage at youth level that put him up there with Chilwell and Barnes but until he gets the chance it's hard to say just how well he will do. My gut feeling is he is going to be a great player and one whom we will really be thankful of when Tielemans moves on, he is the exact same type of midfielder.

 

Also, baring in mind if we get through this round then the next round is on during the World Cup, we may well have to play fringe players/academy players against possible better opposition so tomorrow is surely the time to test him and possibly 1 or 2 others from the bench.

 

Maswanhise has weirdly gone from being Brendan's protégé at the end of 2020/21 season and pre-season of 2021/22 to not being seen again in the first team squads and yet in the early part of this season when we had few winger options and were struggling, he was scoring in 7 consecutive games for the U21's and yet still couldn't even get a place on the bench. That's what irks me.

 

 

He's a defensive Mid Ric through and through.

Nothing like Tielemans. 

He won't be threading thr eye of the needle  with pin point passes thr or smashing in wonder goals which is Tielemans game(or at least that's not his forte)

He sits, breaks up the bits and lays off 5 yard passes. Reads the game very well and has  huge amount of time on the ball because of this.

There is no Flair about him like Tielemans he's more like a Kalvin Phillips. 

 

He has Mendy Soumare and Ndidi ahead of him who can fill that role so I guess it's a case of biding his time.

 

I would rather wait till he forced his way into his own position rather than play him in  role that is Alien to him.

Asking him to play the Youri role would be completely unfair at this stage in his development. 

 

I think he will get a few cameos between now and the end of the season and at least one of the three I mentioned will probably be moved on before the start of next season giving him more opportunity. 

He could be one that actually bypasses a loan move because he has a perfect role model here in Ndidi who he can learn so much off. 

He's still a kid and granted a kid with bags of potential so he needs to be nurtured nit rushed. 

 

 

 

 

 

[FoxinNotts]

4-3-1-2

Iversen

Wormleighton Amartey Evans Thomas

Praet Ndidi Soumare

Perez

Iheanacho Vardy

Edited 7 November 2022 by FoxinNotts

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Braybrooke has been labelled an incredible talent by Rodgers and that he won't hesitate to use him if the opportunity arises, whatever that means. He also said of him last season that he might need a loan move and they'd look to do that last summer which seemed on course to happen but then didn't. 

 

He's been captain of England U18's and now stepped up to England U19's, on paper he's got the heritage at youth level that put him up there with Chilwell and Barnes but until he gets the chance it's hard to say just how well he will do. My gut feeling is he is going to be a great player and one whom we will really be thankful of when Tielemans moves on, he is the exact same type of midfielder.

 

Also, baring in mind if we get through this round then the next round is on during the World Cup, we may well have to play fringe players/academy players against possible better opposition so tomorrow is surely the time to test him and possibly 1 or 2 others from the bench.

 

Maswanhise has weirdly gone from being Brendan's protégé at the end of 2020/21 season and pre-season of 2021/22 to not being seen again in the first team squads and yet in the early part of this season when we had few winger options and were struggling, he was scoring in 7 consecutive games for the U21's and yet still couldn't even get a place on the bench. That's what irks me.

 

 

Me too but there may have been an element of protecting him in that. 

 

 

 

[moore_94]

35 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

He won't be threading thr eye of the needle  with pin point passes thr or smashing in wonder goals which is Tielemans game(or at least that's not his forte)

He sits, breaks up the bits and lays off 5 yard passes.

I have to say I don’t think this part is absolutely not true at all

 

So many of the attacks and goals scored by our under 21s are down to brilliant passes from Braybrooke

 

Certainly not little 5 yard passes to someone else to make the decisive pass

Edited 7 November 2022 by moore_94

[Bert]

Iversen 

 

Justin Vesty Evans Thomas 

Ndidi Braybrooke

Albrighton Perez Maswanhise

Iheanacho

 

Leave out Faes, Maddison, Tielemans, Barnes and Vardy and fill the bench with what we have left. 

Smithies, Brunt, Wormleighton, Amartey, Soumare, Alves, Daka. 

[Bptiger]

14 minutes ago, Bert said:

Iversen 

 

Justin Vesty Evans Thomas 

Ndidi Braybrooke

Albrighton Perez Maswanhise

Iheanacho

 

Leave out Faes, Maddison, Tielemans, Barnes and Vardy and fill the bench with what we have left. 

Smithies, Brunt, Wormleighton, Amartey, Soumare, Alves, Daka. 

What about cags 

[Ric Flair]

39 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

He's a defensive Mid Ric through and through.

Nothing like Tielemans. 

He won't be threading thr eye of the needle  with pin point passes thr or smashing in wonder goals which is Tielemans game(or at least that's not his forte)

He sits, breaks up the bits and lays off 5 yard passes. Reads the game very well and has  huge amount of time on the ball because of this.

There is no Flair about him like Tielemans he's more like a Kalvin Phillips. 

 

He has Mendy Soumare and Ndidi ahead of him who can fill that role so I guess it's a case of biding his time.

 

I would rather wait till he forced his way into his own position rather than play him in  role that is Alien to him.

Asking him to play the Youri role would be completely unfair at this stage in his development. 

 

I think he will get a few cameos between now and the end of the season and at least one of the three I mentioned will probably be moved on before the start of next season giving him more opportunity. 

He could be one that actually bypasses a loan move because he has a perfect role model here in Ndidi who he can learn so much off. 

He's still a kid and granted a kid with bags of potential so he needs to be nurtured nit rushed. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll have to disagree with you there, he has an exceptional passing range and is very comfortable taking the ball from deep and progressing it up pitch. What I do like most about him is he prefers by and large to receive the ball from the defence and make clever passes without too much dallying on the ball, something Youri does well here and can go unnoticed.

 

Tielemans is no longer pushing up as an 8 like he used to do when he first came here, he sits deep and in recent games has been relentless in his positioning to help the defence out and then does join attacks from deep as well, all things I see Braybrooke doing for the U21's.

 

I do agree that he could be deployed as a DCM but I dont think he will be a sole DCM, but in a double pivot like we've seen Youri with Ndidi in the past.

 

He's not got Tielemans long range shooting ability from what I've seen, I agree although he does take free kicks.

[Ric Flair]

25 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I have to say I don’t think this part is absolutely not true at all

 

So many of the attacks and goals scored by our under 21s are down to brilliant passes from Braybrooke

 

Certainly not little 5 yard passes to someone else to make the decisive pass

Agreed, I thought it was just me but the way he's describing Braybrookes game and Tielemans it's like I've been watching a different game.

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Also, baring in mind if we get through this round then the next round is on during the World Cup, we may well have to play fringe players/academy players against possible better opposition so tomorrow is surely the time to test him and possibly 1 or 2 others from the bench.

 

 

Bloody hell, didnt realise that.

[filbertway]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'll have to disagree with you there, he has an exceptional passing range and is very comfortable taking the ball from deep and progressing it up pitch. What I do like most about him is he prefers by and large to receive the ball from the defence and make clever passes without too much dallying on the ball, something Youri does well here and can go unnoticed.

 

Tielemans is no longer pushing up as an 8 like he used to do when he first came here, he sits deep and in recent games has been relentless in his positioning to help the defence out and then does join attacks from deep as well, all things I see Braybrooke doing for the U21's.

 

I do agree that he could be deployed as a DCM but I dont think he will be a sole DCM, but in a double pivot like we've seen Youri with Ndidi in the past.

 

He's not got Tielemans long range shooting ability from what I've seen, I agree although he does take free kicks.

Feel like he would be massively wasted as a DM. He seems to travel with the ball really well and his passing and vision are absolutely sublime. I can't believe I'm reading someone who's supposed to be in the know at the club say that Sammy won't be able to play the same balls as Youri.

 

I think he probably has better movement than Youri but like you say, not seen too much evidence of him having the long range shooting ability. There are a lot of similarities in their ability on the ball and how they can see and execute passes most players can't see. The ability to shift the ball on quickly as well is definitely something a lot of Leicester fans don't appreciate about Youri. He'll rarely take more than 2 touches before moving the ball on, especially under pressure.

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Bloody hell, didnt realise that.

Players who reached the final may not be available but the final is on the 18th Dec and the 4th round games are on 20/21 Dec so not quite right from Ric, unless the info I'm reading is wrong

https://groundhopperguides.com/2022-23-english-league-cup-schedule/

 

[Nalis]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Players who reached the final may not be available but the final is on the 18th Dec and the 4th round games are on 20/21 Dec so not quite right from Ric, unless the info I'm reading is wrong

https://groundhopperguides.com/2022-23-english-league-cup-schedule/

 

Ah I see. So we're basically out if Belgium get to the final then 

[st albans fox]

48 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I have to say I don’t think this part is absolutely not true at all

 

So many of the attacks and goals scored by our under 21s are down to brilliant passes from Braybrooke

 

Certainly not little 5 yard passes to someone else to make the decisive pass

From what I’ve seen, I don’t see him as a typical break up play cdm 

 

he looks more like a JWP character who dictates the tempo of games and plays off the defence. He also has the ability to break forward with the ball and lay off creative passes to forwards. 
 

but some will have seen him more than me 

[themightyfin]

13 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Feel like he would be massively wasted as a DM. He seems to travel with the ball really well and his passing and vision are absolutely sublime. I can't believe I'm reading someone who's supposed to be in the know at the club say that Sammy won't be able to play the same balls as Youri.

 

I think he probably has better movement than Youri but like you say, not seen too much evidence of him having the long range shooting ability. There are a lot of similarities in their ability on the ball and how they can see and execute passes most players can't see. The ability to shift the ball on quickly as well is definitely something a lot of Leicester fans don't appreciate about Youri. He'll rarely take more than 2 touches before moving the ball on, especially under pressure.

I never said I'm in the know. 

[themightyfin]

14 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Feel like he would be massively wasted as a DM. He seems to travel with the ball really well and his passing and vision are absolutely sublime. I can't believe I'm reading someone who's supposed to be in the know at the club say that Sammy won't be able to play the same balls as Youri.

 

I think he probably has better movement than Youri but like you say, not seen too much evidence of him having the long range shooting ability. There are a lot of similarities in their ability on the ball and how they can see and execute passes most players can't see. The ability to shift the ball on quickly as well is definitely something a lot of Leicester fans don't appreciate about Youri. He'll rarely take more than 2 touches before moving the ball on, especially under pressure.

The facts speak for themselves in 10 u21 games this season he's been deployed DM in 9 of those. 

[themightyfin]

57 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I have to say I don’t think this part is absolutely not true at all

 

So many of the attacks and goals scored by our under 21s are down to brilliant passes from Braybrooke

 

Certainly not little 5 yard passes to someone else to make the decisive pass

He has 2 assists all season in 10 u21 games. That's not his strength.  His strength is reading the game and breaking the bits up. 

[themightyfin]

34 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'll have to disagree with you there, he has an exceptional passing range and is very comfortable taking the ball from deep and progressing it up pitch. What I do like most about him is he prefers by and large to receive the ball from the defence and make clever passes without too much dallying on the ball, something Youri does well here and can go unnoticed.

 

Tielemans is no longer pushing up as an 8 like he used to do when he first came here, he sits deep and in recent games has been relentless in his positioning to help the defence out and then does join attacks from deep as well, all things I see Braybrooke doing for the U21's.

 

I do agree that he could be deployed as a DCM but I dont think he will be a sole DCM, but in a double pivot like we've seen Youri with Ndidi in the past.

 

He's not got Tielemans long range shooting ability from what I've seen, I agree although he does take free kicks.

He is a DM Ric. 

[st albans fox]

Just now, themightyfin said:

He has 2 assists all season in 10 u21 games. That's not his strength.  His strength is reading the game and breaking the bits up. 

Understand but there is a world of difference between Declan rice and ndidi ……