Will Alves

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I can’t see him saying anything 

He won’t say anything of consequence but it’s a better way of getting some action taken than putting stuff on his parents SM accounts and the club should be embarrassed by their player’s behaviour …….

[TJQuik]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t know if it’s just because we are all just aware of what happens with our players but more oblivious to other teams but I can’t remember a case in recent memory of a Leicester player causing a serious injury to an opposition player. Can anyone else?

 

There’s been bad challenges from Vardy and Perez against West Ham and Was and Benny have been mentioned but I genuinely can’t remember a case compared to any of the below;

 

Voice on Alves

Nino on Fofana

Tyler Morton on Ricardo

Grealish on Ricardo

 

And those are just what come to mind. Is it just bad luck? Why do our players seem to be on the recovering end of these deliberate assault like challenges. Nino was the worse that we stayed on the pitch and scored!

 

Not that I agree with social media witch hunts. Clearly that Voice kid is from a bad family as you wouldn’t do something like that otherwise but it reflects badly on our fan base (not that o give a shit about him). 
 

I would support a rule change that players be retrospectively banned for the length of a recovery time of a player they have maimed. That would be appropriate. We may be on the other end of that at some point but it’d be right.

 

It’s not a criminal matter though, to be honest this Voice kid will probably have criminal charges against him for something in future but not for this.

Assuming he's "from a bad family" when you know nothing about him is kind of excusing the harassment of them by a bunch of online lunatics

[Saxondale]

10 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Competitive sport doesn't shield you from the laws of the land. You can't get away with assault simply because you're also playing football. Intent, if proven, makes the difference.

Yeah, some players (not just football) seem to think that being on the playing field does shield them from the law. Like that weirdo rugby league player who was famous for literally inserting his finger in the anus of opposition players - in other words sexual assault.

[Spudulike]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

But you have always got the lawful defence. To all of us we know full well it was malicious and on purpose. Stick him in a box at court and he says “I went for the ball and got it wrong”…. No way you can disprove that. 

But you can if evidence that it was deliberate surfaces. Whoever he spoke to after the incident needs to be interviewed. 

[Leeds Fox]

43 minutes ago, TJQuik said:

Assuming he's "from a bad family" when you know nothing about him is kind of excusing the harassment of them by a bunch of online lunatics

 
Well, Wolverhampton is a giant council estate so chances are he’s a scum bag. I’m judging him on his actions and I won’t apologise.

 

As an amateur player, you get those sides who will be rough and ready, that’s fine. You’ll get the ones who think it’s okay to be 1/2 seconds late and forget everyone has work a couple of days later (they probably don’t so they aren’t too fussed). 
 

I’m from Leeds (as you’ve probably guessed), we play teams from Teeside, Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester. They come and play so much different to us, actually trying to injure people. Borderline assault many times and they absolutely hate it when you give it back.

[An Sionnach]

Pretty sure behind the scene , Wolves will rip into the kid big time , particularly if he made those comments. He will get a long ban and he deserves it. A grovelling apology will probably be forthcoming and his career is in question. The police may look at it as it was a deliberate assault but I suspect they will leave it to the FA and the club.

[Foxdiamond]

Wolves should make a public statement even if only to confirm they are dealing with the player internally. Wonder what referee report will say

[Bert]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

Wolves should make a public statement even if only to confirm they are dealing with the player internally. Wonder what referee report will say

Exactly what you’ve seen on the video. Wolves #5 received a red card for the offence of “serious foul play”. 

[Bert]

41 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

 
Well, Wolverhampton is a giant council estate so chances are he’s a scum bag. I’m judging him on his actions and I won’t apologise.

 

As an amateur player, you get those sides who will be rough and ready, that’s fine. You’ll get the ones who think it’s okay to be 1/2 seconds late and forget everyone has work a couple of days later (they probably don’t so they aren’t too fussed). 
 

I’m from Leeds (as you’ve probably guessed), we play teams from Teeside, Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester. They come and play so much different to us, actually trying to injure people. Borderline assault many times and they absolutely hate it when you give it back.

So everyone that lives on a council estate are giant scumbags?  Wow. Some statement that. 

[st albans fox]

54 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Pretty sure behind the scene , Wolves will rip into the kid big time , particularly if he made those comments. He will get a long ban and he deserves it. A grovelling apology will probably be forthcoming and his career is in question. The police may look at it as it was a deliberate assault but I suspect they will leave it to the FA and the club.

The police won’t be anywhere near it 

[Foxdiamond]

14 minutes ago, Bert said:

Exactly what you’ve seen on the video. Wolves #5 received a red card for the offence of “serious foul play”. 

Can ref add anything?

[Leeds Fox]

16 minutes ago, Bert said:

So everyone that lives on a council estate are giant scumbags?  Wow. Some statement that. 

Not everyone (I didn’t say that did I), but the likelihood increases. 
 

Certain communities breed certain mentalities. There are plenty of middle/upper class scumbags, they’re just scummy in a different manner.

[RonnieTodger]

Just caught up on this. Despicable. 

 

Searched Caden Voice on twitter, **** me what a mental place that is now. Absolute freaks on both side, saying some seriously weird stuff.

 

We’ve got a lot of tapped wrong-uns that support this club. 

[Spiritwalker]

11 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

In fact section 47 of the offences against the person act 1861 requires only the mens rea of recklessness, a lower bar than intention to harm.  Of course there are a number of complexities arising from the assault happening in a competitive sports environment, but you're absolutely right it does not provide absolute protection against recklessness or an intent to hurt someone by any means.  

Yeah, I’m sure Duncan Ferguson was prosecuted for head butting an opponent on the pitch.

[fox_favourite]

13 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

Yeah, I’m sure Duncan Ferguson was prosecuted for head butting an opponent on the pitch.

Was there any charges when bowyer and dyer went at each other. Have a vague memory of something like that. 

[Spiritwalker]

3 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Was there any charges when bowyer and dyer went at each other. Have a vague memory of something like that. 

I remember the incident but I don’t know if anything came of it.

[Shane]

Keep the faith Will 

[LCFCJohn]

2 hours ago, TJQuik said:

Assuming he's "from a bad family" when you know nothing about him is kind of excusing the harassment of them by a bunch of online lunatics

I disagree with online abuse shit completely. Serves no purpose.

 

The judgement on him is based on his actions. Alves’s team mates wouldn’t be condemning him on social media as per what people have posted on here to the extent their are if it wasn’t to do with the players attitude not just the challenge. I.e bragging about doing it deliberately. That behaviour is generally learned behaviour from a child’s upbringing. 
 

He should get a lengthy ban and it should be dealt with by Wolves. 

[GeorgeTheFox]

A name like Caden is always a risk factor for being a monumental bell end 

[Aleksz]

Absolutely baffled there are Wolves fans comparing Vardy’s tackle on Doherty (And a few neutrals comparing Perez’s tackle at West Ham) to this.

 

Both are poor tackles that are badly mistimed. This is just pure and utter intent to hurt.

 

Mind boggles.

[urban.spaceman]

12 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Missing the fact where he's admitted to doing it deliberately. No place for that in the game and he should he dropped from the academy. 

 

Being 16 isn't an excuse. Kids are stabbing each other at 12 these days. He should know better - he's in a Premier League academy and been playing with the under 21's and if he's going to act like an animal then he's going to have to learn to deal with the consequences. I'm not wishing ill on the family, but a 3 match ban is nothing.

I agree that he should be harshly punished, as i've already said in this thread, but I also believe doxxing him and sending his family a torrent of abuse is dangerous. That video has now been seen 3.5m times, his name is global now and he's receiving online and probably real world abuse. There's been a court case this whole year about a girl called Molly Russell who killed herself after social media exposure to harmful images - the last thing I want from this is for the child who made the tackle to suffer in that way because of a rush of blood to the head.

[Finnegan]

2 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

Liverpool

 

2 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

they absolutely hate it when you give it back.

 

 

[grobyfox1990]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I agree that he should be harshly punished, as i've already said in this thread, but I also believe doxxing him and sending his family a torrent of abuse is dangerous. That video has now been seen 3.5m times, his name is global now and he's receiving online and probably real world abuse. There's been a court case this whole year about a girl called Molly Russell who killed herself after social media exposure to harmful images - the last thing I want from this is for the child who made the tackle to suffer in that way because of a rush of blood to the head.

Agreed with the point of what you are saying. But he is very different to molly Russell. This dirtbag will have the support of a massive and global institution who are used to dealing with their employees receiving presumably far worse abuse, and the best help/support money can buy. Poor molly was left essentially to fend for herself 

[Fox in the North]

Even Madders has weighed in. Very measured response though.

 

 

[Bordersfox]

2 hours ago, Spiritwalker said:

Yeah, I’m sure Duncan Ferguson was prosecuted for head butting an opponent on the pitch.

Yeah, I think incidents like that are, or should be, pretty straightforward.  Horror tackles probably a bit harder to get through the various legal hoops.  

 

However, being on a sports field surely should not excuse what is basically thuggery.