Will Alves

[Guest nathan.]

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/12/23/who-is-caden-voice-wolves-u23-player-who-injured-leicester-gem-will-alves-with-nasty-tackle/

[RoboFox]

Searching for and doxxing the kid’s family is fvcking weird. Proper div behaviour.

 

In 5 years he’ll be a hod carrier in some West Midlands shithole trying to get people to listen to the story of how he “nearly made it” whilst Alves is tearing up the Premier League.

 

All will be right in the end.

 

Edited 24 December 2022 by RoboFox

[Aus Fox]

There have been a couple of incidents of footballers being charged as a result of on-field actions that I can remember. Duncan Ferguson probably the most famous with his headbutt that saw him do a couple of months in jail. I’m sure Chris Kamara was also convicted of assault as a result of a tackle he made - going way back though so can’t remember the details.

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, nathan. said:

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/12/23/who-is-caden-voice-wolves-u23-player-who-injured-leicester-gem-will-alves-with-nasty-tackle/

“ a see you next tuesday” 

 

Saved you all a click 

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Missing the fact where he's admitted to doing it deliberately. No place for that in the game and he should he dropped from the academy. 

 

Being 16 isn't an excuse. Kids are stabbing each other at 12 these days. He should know better - he's in a Premier League academy and been playing with the under 21's and if he's going to act like an animal then he's going to have to learn to deal with the consequences. I'm not wishing ill on the family, but a 3 match ban is nothing.

 

No idea why but this killed me

 

What a knobed, proper lads have stabbed someone 4 years before they even hit 16

 

[gerblod]

15 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Provably malicious tackles should come with a much higher sanction than simply a red card. Especially in youth stages - a tackle as vicious and disgusting as that one should be punished with a ban as long as the recovery of the injured player. 

Agreed. That would "make the punishment fit the crime", yet it's always been the case that thuggery has a part in football.

My grandad (who played at a serious level) recalled, after skipping past a defender yet once more, being warned about having his leg broken should he do it again.

We 'all' rejoice in 'shithousery' when it gives us an advantage, but scream blue murder when it's done to our team.

To know how and intend to commit a damaging foul by a youth level player, indicates a nasty, unsportsmanlike attitude being introduced to kids early on. It's acceptance on any level of football displays a callousness and disregard for what sport should be about.

Everytime I see Roy Keane being paid to give his opinion on ITV, I see the rerun of his career-ending assault on Alf-Inge Haaland in my head. Deliberately carried out like a 'hit', yet the man expressed no contrition - the opposite, and in fact.

Do that on the street to someone and it's a criminal offence with repercussions - on a pitch it merely entails the issue of a red card. Wes Fofana was the victim of just such an intentional attack. 

Time more stringent action was taken.

[cruzFOX]

Don’t waste time harassing that kids parents they won’t pay any attention. Channel the energy into something good and send Alvez a nice note of hope and encouragement. He needs it not just now but every month for 7 - 9 months. It’s a long hard road to recovery.

[LCFCJohn]

I don’t know if it’s just because we are all just aware of what happens with our players but more oblivious to other teams but I can’t remember a case in recent memory of a Leicester player causing a serious injury to an opposition player. Can anyone else?

 

There’s been bad challenges from Vardy and Perez against West Ham and Was and Benny have been mentioned but I genuinely can’t remember a case compared to any of the below;

 

Voice on Alves

Nino on Fofana

Tyler Morton on Ricardo

Grealish on Ricardo

 

And those are just what come to mind. Is it just bad luck? Why do our players seem to be on the recovering end of these deliberate assault like challenges. Nino was the worse that we stayed on the pitch and scored!

 

Not that I agree with social media witch hunts. Clearly that Voice kid is from a bad family as you wouldn’t do something like that otherwise but it reflects badly on our fan base (not that o give a shit about him). 
 

I would support a rule change that players be retrospectively banned for the length of a recovery time of a player they have maimed. That would be appropriate. We may be on the other end of that at some point but it’d be right.

 

It’s not a criminal matter though, to be honest this Voice kid will probably have criminal charges against him for something in future but not for this.

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Competitive sport doesn't shield you from the laws of the land. You can't get away with assault simply because you're also playing football. Intent, if proven, makes the difference.

But you have always got the lawful defence. To all of us we know full well it was malicious and on purpose. Stick him in a box at court and he says “I went for the ball and got it wrong”…. No way you can disprove that. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

23 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Tyler Morton on Ricardo

I remember that tackle. Awful awful challenge, and don’t even think he got a yellow for it? Not to mention either that a red card would have massively changed the balance of that game where we were well on top at the time, and ended up losing.

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, nathan. said:

The wolves kid will remember that mistake for the rest of his life.

 

I hope Alves comes back.

 

 

...only if he saw it as a mistake!!!

Leaving your leg in a tackle in that way, he was opening himself for a booking. If the rumours of him justifying his actions are true, then you have to understand that he will be enjoying the notoriety at this moment,  some people are just made that way.

 

[Guest Lcfc82]

26 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I remember that tackle. Awful awful challenge, and don’t even think he got a yellow for it? Not to mention either that a red card would have massively changed the balance of that game where we were well on top at the time, and ended up losing.

I can’t believe how lightly Tyler Morton got away with that challenge, big club bias in the extreme. 
Was just swept under the carpet by the media.

[Beachyboy]

Wolves should just kick him out the club, Roy Keanes Haaland was horrendous but at least he'd already proved himself over years of good play and success, an attitude like that can't be allowed In a club at any age but especially youth level, where they are trying to prove themselves.

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

Voice on Alves

Nino on Fofana

Tyler Morton on Ricardo

Grealish on Ricardo

Sorry but Grealish on Ricardo cannot be added in with these other 3.

I thought it was just a heavy collision as opposed to malicious intent to injure. 

[sacreblueits442]

9 hours ago, Foxxed said:

The club are duty bound to protect our players. The club needs to bring criminal proceedings against Caden Voice for what--if what I've read on here is true about the admitted intent--is assult. In terms of success of the case, what is important is we have shown we will actively persue in the court system anyone who assults an employee, a player. Not only have we potientially lost tens of millions, but Will Alves may have lost a livilihood. I can understand and emphasise with those directing anger towards Voice, but it is now far, far more important the club actively persues, and are pressured to do so if needed, Caden Voice and Wolves in the legal system to broadcast far and wide--not at least to our current and future players--that we protect our own.

 

...agree with a lot of this!!!

The problem is for every replay of the Alves tackle, you will find hundreds of tackles, similar or worse which are not punished by legal action. It is an avenue that the leagues would not be willing to go down.

  Players being sued by individuals or by the individuals club, would lead to more play acting on the pitch and the fear of players being taken to court due to the unprofessional antics of players,  playing up the situation. 

  Lawyers would have a field day. Should the rumoured noises coming from Caden Voice saying he meant it, then a life time ban should become an option, it is obvious he is unable to control himself  and as such a liability to others on the pitch. This should apply whether he is playing non league or for his local pub team.

[LCFCJohn]

32 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Sorry but Grealish on Ricardo cannot be added in with these other 3.

I thought it was just a heavy collision as opposed to malicious intent to injure. 

Agreed not on the level of the other 3, I do remember it as leaving a boot in knowingly but may be remembering wrong. Came to mind as a challenge that left a shocking injury on one of ours anyway which I came remember any the other way round. Even Choudhury on Salah, Salah was straight back up again.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I remember that tackle. Awful awful challenge, and don’t even think he got a yellow for it? Not to mention either that a red card would have massively changed the balance of that game where we were well on top at the time, and ended up losing.

Looked it up, seems he did get a yellow but was not enough. More annoying it was Liverpool and I’m sure he was made out to be the victim by them lot. Given it was after Klopp’s media campaign against Hamza, even more infuriating!

[Strokes]

Allegedly he said “Someone should have done that sooner” as he walked off the pitch.

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Looked it up, seems he did get a yellow but was not enough. More annoying it was Liverpool and I’m sure he was made out to be the victim by them lot. Given it was after Klopp’s media campaign against Hamza, even more infuriating!

Morton was in and around the first team squad at the time. He was then  left out by klopp when they came to us a couple weeks later for the league game. I’m not sure he recovered his position in the pecking order for quite some time. I assume words were had with him about his ‘over enthusiasm’ and the need to temper it if he’s going to make it. 

[st albans fox]

When is lopateghi’s next presser?  He could be asked about it - is he responsible for the club top to bottom or does his job stop after the first team ????

[Wortho]

Another “challenge” was Ederson on Kelechi. Absolutely disgraceful and the pundits said ‘he got there before him’.

But it was reckless and could’ve been far worse. Obviously the ref didn’t include it in his report.

[Wortho]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

When is lopateghi’s next presser?  He could be asked about it - is he responsible for the club top to bottom or does his job stop after the first team ????

I can’t see him saying anything 

[eblair]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t know if it’s just because we are all just aware of what happens with our players but more oblivious to other teams but I can’t remember a case in recent memory of a Leicester player causing a serious injury to an opposition player. Can anyone else?

 

There’s been bad challenges from Vardy and Perez against West Ham and Was and Benny have been mentioned but I genuinely can’t remember a case compared to any of the below;

 

Voice on Alves

Nino on Fofana

Tyler Morton on Ricardo

Grealish on Ricardo

 

And those are just what come to mind. Is it just bad luck? Why do our players seem to be on the recovering end of these deliberate assault like challenges. Nino was the worse that we stayed on the pitch and scored!

 

Not that I agree with social media witch hunts. Clearly that Voice kid is from a bad family as you wouldn’t do something like that otherwise but it reflects badly on our fan base (not that o give a shit about him). 
 

I would support a rule change that players be retrospectively banned for the length of a recovery time of a player they have maimed. That would be appropriate. We may be on the other end of that at some point but it’d be right.

 

It’s not a criminal matter though, to be honest this Voice kid will probably have criminal charges against him for something in future but not for this.

Tbh I think the one on alves is so much worse than the others. Others were naughty but do happen in football.

 

the tackle on alves is just disgraceful, no attempt to play ball and outright attempt to really hurt someone. Plus seems from 15 second video it is deliberately targeted at best player on the pitch, and the one with biggest reputation. Only ever seen Keane’s tackle as an equivalent on Haaland

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, eblair said:

Tbh I think the one on alves is so much worse than the others. Others were naughty but do happen in football.

 

the tackle on alves is just disgraceful, no attempt to play ball and outright attempt to really hurt someone. Plus seems from 15 second video it is deliberately targeted at best player on the pitch, and the one with biggest reputation. Only ever seen Keane’s tackle as an equivalent on Haaland

Similar level to Fer Nino on Fofana for me. Wes has put in a hard but fair challenge a couple of minutes before and that was pure revenge from Nino with no attempt to get the ball and to harm only. He was not at all remorseful either. Wolves fans going on about Voice apologising after and calling him a good lad for doing so. If what has been said about him doing it deliberately is true, it’s clearly a forced/PR apology not meant. Same with any apology from Nino after the event. 
 

Morton was different as it seemed unintentional but stupid. Nino and Voice are both scum.

[SecretPro]

6 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

No idea why but this killed me

 

What a knobed, proper lads have stabbed someone 4 years before they even hit 16

 

I didn't mean it like that, I just meant kids now are arseholes and they know the difference between right and wrong. 16 back in my day was a whole lot different to be 16 now.