Will Alves

[Beachyboy]

Its not even a 50/50 either, if the Wolves player had wanted the ball it was closer to him than Alves, never seen anything so blatant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Agreed with the point of what you are saying. But he is very different to molly Russell. This dirtbag will have the support of a massive and global institution who are used to dealing with their employees receiving presumably far worse abuse, and the best help/support money can buy. Poor molly was left essentially to fend for herself 

Fair enough, though I hope this serves as a lesson to Wolves and other youth set ups that they have a duty of care to young players, and that begins with education at the very beginning about the potential consequences of a tackle like that one.

[martyn]

Am pleased a high profile player has waded in here to bring more attention to it.

 

This tackle, which is about as clear a deliberate act to injure an opponent as you could see, could and should be punished in a way that sets a precedent.

 

Whether that's an FA punishment or internal at Wolves matters not.

 

[smudger63]

The more I watch that assault, ( I refuse to call it a tackle, simply because it wasnt) the more angry and disgusted I get. It was absolutely done with the intention of causing serious injury.  It surely needs to be looked at, and the punishment being at the very least a 12 month ban. The boy is a thug,  plain and simple.

[urban.spaceman]

Rob is very clever.

 

 

 

[Jon Bez]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Rob is very clever.

 

 

 

Is he? 

[TJB-fox]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Rob is very clever.

 

 

 

Rob should be busy focusing on next round of Ally Pally 

[CloudFox]

16 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Rob is very clever.

 

 

 

Re: Maddison's tweet, I am very torn on him voicing it.

 

On one hand, again it demonstrates the camaraderie in the group across senior and youth teams. It also suggests the seniors have welcomed Alves in, which is a great sign for his ability and his future as a senior player.

 

On the other hand, fellow youth players tweeting support and a high profile England footballer tweeting out a request for it to be looked into by the FA are very, very different. I agree with Maddison and think it should be looked into, but the risk here is that it will cause a massive pile on from his followers and hundreds of thousands of others. This isn't what Maddison will have intended, and I support his statement, but in his position it could cause harm.

 

Voice deserves punishment, not abuse. That's not going to help anything. Punishment sets a precedent. Abuse just escalates things.

 

[urban.spaceman]

1 minute ago, CloudFox said:

Re: Maddison's tweet, I am very torn on him voicing it.

 

On one hand, again it demonstrates the camaraderie in the group across senior and youth teams. It also suggests the seniors have welcomed Alves in, which is a great sign for his ability and his future as a senior player.

 

On the other hand, fellow youth players tweeting support and a high profile England footballer tweeting out a request for it to be looked into by the FA are very, very different. I agree with Maddison and think it should be looked into, but the risk here is that it will cause a massive pile on from his followers and hundreds of thousands of others. This isn't what Maddison will have intended, and I support his statement, but in his position it could cause harm.

 

Voice deserves punishment, not abuse. That's not going to help anything. Punishment sets a precedent. Abuse just escalates things.

 

A much better worded statement on what I've been trying to say the last few pages. He's already had a pile on, been doxxed and had death threats. As a fanbase we should absolutely not tolerate that sort of behaviour from our fellow fans.

[Bert]

3 hours ago, Spiritwalker said:

Yeah, I’m sure Duncan Ferguson was prosecuted for head butting an opponent on the pitch.

Wasn’t in a phase of play. It just wouldn’t stand up, nor is it the done thing. Also I believe Alves’ would have to be the one to bring proceedings and not the club. 

[Bert]

11 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

Re: Maddison's tweet, I am very torn on him voicing it.

 

On one hand, again it demonstrates the camaraderie in the group across senior and youth teams. It also suggests the seniors have welcomed Alves in, which is a great sign for his ability and his future as a senior player.

 

On the other hand, fellow youth players tweeting support and a high profile England footballer tweeting out a request for it to be looked into by the FA are very, very different. I agree with Maddison and think it should be looked into, but the risk here is that it will cause a massive pile on from his followers and hundreds of thousands of others. This isn't what Maddison will have intended, and I support his statement, but in his position it could cause harm.

 

Voice deserves punishment, not abuse. That's not going to help anything. Punishment sets a precedent. Abuse just escalates things.

 

What it says is that the club are absolutely fuming. They’d normally be telling the players not to comment on stuff like this. 

[CosbehFox]

12 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

Re: Maddison's tweet, I am very torn on him voicing it.

 

On one hand, again it demonstrates the camaraderie in the group across senior and youth teams. It also suggests the seniors have welcomed Alves in, which is a great sign for his ability and his future as a senior player.

 

On the other hand, fellow youth players tweeting support and a high profile England footballer tweeting out a request for it to be looked into by the FA are very, very different. I agree with Maddison and think it should be looked into, but the risk here is that it will cause a massive pile on from his followers and hundreds of thousands of others. This isn't what Maddison will have intended, and I support his statement, but in his position it could cause harm.

 

Voice deserves punishment, not abuse. That's not going to help anything. Punishment sets a precedent. Abuse just escalates things.

 

To be fair though Maddison ain’t aware of all the weirdo, downright disgusting stuff that idiots do. He’s jumped on social media and made a comment objectively. He won’t be aware of the wolves players name or his social media or his family. 

[CloudFox]

4 minutes ago, Bert said:

What it says is that the club are absolutely fuming. They’d normally be telling the players not to comment on stuff like this. 

I'm assuming the same, yes. Add to that Rodgers mentioning Alves in the press conference and wishing him well. I don't know if that was prompted by a question, but all the same the club are clearly behind Alves, and furious.

[CloudFox]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

To be fair though Maddison ain’t aware of all the weirdo, downright disgusting stuff that idiots do. He’s jumped on social media and made a comment objectively. He won’t be aware of the wolves players name or his social media or his family. 

You honestly think that in this day and age, a) Maddison hasn't thought about it (his tweet says he has thought about whether he even should say anything at all) and b) that he wouldn't have asked/been told by clubmates who the Wolves kid was?

 

It would make it simpler if you were right, but I just don't think that's realistic nowadays.

[smudger63]

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

A much better worded statement on what I've been trying to say the last few pages. He's already had a pile on, been doxxed and had death threats. As a fanbase we should absolutely not tolerate that sort of behaviour from our fellow fans.

Actions have consequences, and while of course it is completely wrong and out of order if he has received death threats. The fact remains that what he done was an act of pure thuggery, with every intention of causing serious injury to an opposing player. I hope, although highly doubt, that the outrage that has been across the board on social media, from many fans of other clubs as well as our own, will see the FA take a look at the video of this assault, and hand out a massive punishment to this boy. At this moment in time, I can't help but see this boy as anything other than a thug, who has no place in football. Its the attitude that he must have had to even think that what he was about to do to Alves was even even close to being  acceptable that is the worrying part of his behavior.

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

You honestly think that in this day and age, a) Maddison hasn't thought about it (his tweet says he has thought about whether he even should say anything at all) and b) that he wouldn't have asked/been told by clubmates who the Wolves kid was?

 

It would make it simpler if you were right, but I just don't think that's realistic nowadays.

A) possibly yes b) no, why would Maddison be that involved ? it’s notable as well that both Maddison and Rodgers didn’t mention names 
 

Tbf as well the damage by utter idiots has been long done before Maddison said anything 

Edited 24 December 2022 by CosbehFox

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Rob is very clever.

 

 

 

Rob is the type of guy who wan ks over pictures of his ex on social media, even if those pics include her current fella.

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, smudger63 said:

The more I watch that assault, ( I refuse to call it a tackle, simply because it wasnt) the more angry and disgusted I get. It was absolutely done with the intention of causing serious injury.  It surely needs to be looked at, and the punishment being at the very least a 12 month ban. The boy is a thug,  plain and simple.

The lad in question should be told he’s not wanted in the game. He clearly has the wrong mentality. If he was at Leicester I’d want us to offload immediately.

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

The lad in question should be told he’s not wanted in the game. He clearly has the wrong mentality. If he was at Leicester I’d want us to offload immediately.

It depends on his personality. My lad played with a thug once at u/15 level and was part of the reason he left the club. Any manager who endorsed that kind of player wasn't worth playing for. So if this voice has a rep for this sort of thing, the club should offload. 

 

Flipside is Hamza, a nice enough lad, once snapped that french lads ankle but it's one a reasonable, decent but impulsive lad could learn from, rather then deserved hounding 

[Bordersfox]

45 minutes ago, Bert said:

Wasn’t in a phase of play. It just wouldn’t stand up, nor is it the done thing. Also I believe Alves’ would have to be the one to bring proceedings and not the club. 

It may well stand up under various different bits of criminal legislation.  Someone stated above that this kid has admitted intent?  I find that hard to believe but if he did then the police could get involved.  As I said above in fact recklessness alone is enough under s47 offences against the person Act.  So intent or no there's certainly prima facie something to investigate.  

 

A civil case could be brought against Voice personally as well.  Wolves as his employer would be liable vicariously for any damages awarded.    

 

It may not be the done thing but at what point is the line crossed beyond competitive sport, accidents, poor or poorly timed challenges and basically just pretty blatant violence?  When that line is crossed is the difficult question, but when crossed action should be taken IMO.  

 

On the other hand social media abuse of the player and his family as someone has stated is just appalling and pointless.  

[CrazyKopCorner]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

It depends on his personality. My lad played with a thug once at u/15 level and was part of the reason he left the club. Any manager who endorsed that kind of player wasn't worth playing for. So if this voice has a rep for this sort of thing, the club should offload. 

 

Flipside is Hamza, a nice enough lad, once snapped that french lads ankle but it's one a reasonable, decent but impulsive lad could learn from, rather then deserved hounding 

This was clearly intentional and therefore zero tolerance - get the lad out of the game

[smudger63]

10 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

The lad in question should be told he’s not wanted in the game. He clearly has the wrong mentality. If he was at Leicester I’d want us to offload immediately.

Completely agree. If he was one of ours, I would want him bombed out of the club.

[dmayne7]

19 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Completely agree. If he was one of ours, I would want him bombed out of the club.

Same. Think it's worse that it's come from an academy player as they are being nurtured and mentored by their club, so the fact that he even contemplated that doesn't speak well to the culture they have at Wolves.

 

Hope they get relegated now.

[Lesterlad]

On 23/12/2022 at 13:47, Babylon said:

Someone close to the player, because he was “taking the piss”.

Usual crap then 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Absolute disgrace. I know the lad is 17 but throw the book at him.

 

Wolves have previous for this sort of thing too, they seem to attract these kinds of footballers much like Millwall.

 

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