Is Vichai’s Dream Dying?

[Dan]

Vichai wasn't perfect but I think he would've rectified this a while ago. Rodgers would've gone after Forest in the cup.

 

I could honestly not tell you what it will take for this board to sack him. I cannot pinpoint what it will be. The only thing I'm sure of is that it will be after virtually irrecoverable damage is done. Which it isn't yet but it isn't far off.

[Spudulike]

 

[The whole world smiles]

And the award for most melodramatic post title goes to.... 

[Jon the Hat]

10 hours ago, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

Much earlier in the plan though.  Expectations change.

[Lako42]

King Power and the hierarchy within has changed massively since his death so of course things would be different if he was still here. 

 

 He could make big financial decisions without consulting others, Top can't. 

[Fazzer 7]

The dream is dying because Top is killing it. He seems ineffectual compared to his Dad. Vichai would have been putting a nice sharp edge on his axe right now. 

[Babylon]

19 hours ago, jim5000 said:

100% agree, and it’s what Top said the strategy was in his fan update before the World Cup. However the question is, have thy got the balance between long term and short term investment correct? Have they wrongly assumed that the squad was competitive enough with a good manager to survive for 1 or 2 seasons with minimal investment to allow the long term infrastructure investments to start?

 

It’s looking like they may have underestimated quite how competitive the Premier League is, and that you simply cannot afford to stand still if you want to stay in it. A couple of key players get long term injured, a couple more lose form, and a couple more reach the end of their careers and all of a sudden you are looking at relegation and everything is potentially lost.

The strategy is ludicrously hard to keep balanced. I posted this years ago that striking the right balance been investing on and off the pitch is a hard one to strike, nigh on impossible. 
 

I think they had every right to expect us to not be in trouble after where we were with an exciting young squad and THEN backing the manager with us keeping all our players for once PLUS investing £60m in new players.

 

What we are seeing now is the fall out from that mistake and the mistake of giving Rodgers too much sway, moving away from the “work within our system” ethos, so one where he created his own.

 

If people didn’t expect ups and downs then sadly they were fooling themselves. I don’t think his decision making would have been much different, although I would say we’ve reached the point Vichai would probably pull the plug, but we don’t know the financial realities of that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Babylon]

8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Much earlier in the plan though.  Expectations change.

He gave Ranieri until Feb despite looking relegation certainties. I don’t know how anyone can possibly be so sure either way. Plenty of evidence of him backing managers for longer than the fans wanted.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Combined league record of the men's, women's, under 21 and under 18 teams this season. 

 

Played 51

Won 10

Drawn 6 

Lost 35

 

Now admittedly these are made worse by the women's team losing 9 of 10 but that's pitiful. 36 points from 51 combined games. 

 

Will there be any accountability? Perhaps falling on the shoulders of the man that overseas the whole footballing side of the club? 

Edited 16 January 2023 by Sol thewall Bamba

[Lcfc098]

41 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He gave Ranieri until Feb despite looking relegation certainties. I don’t know how anyone can possibly be so sure either way. Plenty of evidence of him backing managers for longer than the fans wanted.

Yeah, on the back of a Premier league win. Rodgers already had a below average season last year. He's had more than enough time to sack him.

[Gamble92]

11 hours ago, Spudulike said:

 

What perspective is needed? The fans have been more than patient about this.

 

Does he mean because we won a Premier League with a £20m squad that we need perspective about how great they all are? It's this kind of bullshit rhetoric that's sleepwalking us into relegation. 

[Number 6]

Given he delivered the FA cup post his father's death, plus European trips, this seems a very harsh interpretation. I do wonder why he hasn't got rid of Rodgers at the moment, probably would be the main difference, but very hard to compare spending given covid + training ground has happened since 2018 too.

[Babylon]

22 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Yeah, on the back of a Premier league win. Rodgers already had a below average season last year. He's had more than enough time to sack him.

Rodger’s got two 5th places, and an FA Cup. That’s big credit in the bank, whether you like it or not.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Rodger’s got two 5th places, and an FA Cup. That’s big credit in the bank, whether you like it or not.

Yesterdays news and nothing more whether you like it or not. Claudio gave us the league and was out on his arse the next season. no such thing as credit in football it counts for nothing. The two 5th places were shameful when you consider how the 4th places were frittered away by him. With or without so-called credit he is taking this club to relegation , we all know it and the owner and board must be damn fools if they don't aswell.

Edited 16 January 2023 by PAPA LAZAROU

[iancognito]

Yes.

 

Vichai's dream is another phrase for "business plan". I don't think his business plan included a downward trajectory and knowing the Thai's barely allowed for standing still.

 

Nobody knows whether Vichai would have cut back spending or for that matter gambled everything on getting into Europe but I do doubt whether he'd have allowed this mess to drag on as long as it has. Yes it was Top that fired Pearson and Vichai who reinstated him but the guy took no shit where the business was concerned.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Yesterdays news and nothing more whether you like it or not. Claudio gave us the league and was out on his arse the next season. no such thing as credit in football it counts for nothing. The two 5th places were shameful when you consider how the 4th places were frittered away by him. With or without so-called credit he is taking this club to relegation , we all know it and the owner and board must be damn fools if they don't aswell.

Yes it does exist, don’t be so bloody ridiculous. He was out on his arse in feb, looking like nailed on relegation. We are approaching that point now or are there.

 

But saying Vichai definitely would have sacked him is just bollocks.

[RowlattsFox]

One way or another they have to show they continue to care about the on the pitch results. Either sack Rodgers (and Rudkin for that matter) or back them and find the money. 

 

If we can't afford to do either then they need to tell us why. 

 

They are gambling on Rodgers doing enough for us to stay in the League for the time being, without having to spend anything. 

[5waller5]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Yes it does exist, don’t be so bloody ridiculous. He was out on his arse in feb, looking like nailed on relegation. We are approaching that point now or are there.

 

But saying Vichai definitely would have sacked him is just bollocks.

It’s not just bollocks is it… it’s an opinion, and one which doesn’t match yours. It’s just conjecture like almost every post on FT. 
 

There is simply no need for any of the aggression in your response

[Stadt]

His business acumen is ****ing awful if he’s sticking with Rodgers through any sense of loyalty.

 

Help, my £500m asset is now worth £200m! 

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 hours ago, Spudulike said:

 

The perspective comment is daft. Its a ridiculous thing to say and think. 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

The only times Vichai sacked a manager and I was surprised by how quickly he moved were Sven and Shakespeare (and even then we were 18th, just not very long into the season). 

 

He was definitely a lot more patient than people give him credit for. 

[Babylon]

30 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

It’s not just bollocks is it… it’s an opinion, and one which doesn’t match yours. It’s just conjecture like almost every post on FT. 
 

There is simply no need for any of the aggression in your response

Yeah, it really is bollocks because neither me, you or the next man knows what a dead person would be thinking.

 

Those using his dead Dad’s supposed opinion to beat Top with are out of order. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Yes it does exist, don’t be so bloody ridiculous. He was out on his arse in feb, looking like nailed on relegation. We are approaching that point now or are there.

 

But saying Vichai definitely would have sacked him is just bollocks.

I've not said anyhting about Vichai would have sacked him? so any " bollocks being talked here is obviously yours. your agression is becoming rather tiresome, you need to wind your neck in a bit.

Edited 16 January 2023 by PAPA LAZAROU

[Evington Fosse Fox]

Vichai had a dream, 

He bought a football team, 

He came from Thailand and now he’s one of our own,

Top (or Roger's)  f@ckd up all that,

We play like a bunch of t@wts,

Relegation to Championship,

You made us do that.

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

I've not said anyhting about Vichai would have sacked him? so any " bollocks being talked here is obviously yours. your agression is becoming rather tiresome, you need to wind your neck in a bit.

You should really read the chain of posts then before jumping in to comment then hey.