Rudkin

[Bordersfox]

1 hour ago, JimmyC74 said:

I guess not really,  given who is in charge, but I am considering the financial sh*t we are in.

I think I stop being surprised at anything when we refused to pay a few quid in compo to get a suitable manager in last summer, then spunked £25m on Skipp.  

[JimmyC74]

Just now, Bordersfox said:

I think I stop being surprised at anything when we refused to pay a few quid in compo to get a suitable manager in last summer, then spunked £25m on Skipp.  

Agreed. Weird logic there.

 

Everything about our football decision making, then executing on that decision, seems to take for ever.

 

For a complex one-off deal you can understand it, but when everything takes weeks / months you can only conclude that the people in charge lack the acumen and skillset to operate at this level.

 

 

[VLC86]

29 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

I think I stop being surprised at anything when we refused to pay a few quid in compo to get a suitable manager in last summer, then spunked £25m on Skipp.  

I get what you are saying, but do you know for a fact that’s exactly what happened?

 

Last summer we had a points deduction hanging over us, and would have been relegation favourites anyway, so how do we know Corboran or anyone else decent didn’t turn us down?

 

Edit: that said, spending that money on Skipp regardless of the situation is a bit mental.

Edited 13 July 2025 by VLC86

[dbtcity]

2 hours ago, Anderson said:

We have nothing to fear when Rudkins at the wheel!

You say that but in the 40 odd second clip he almost crashes twice  

[Claudio Fannieri]

bit of interesting insight, taken from LinkedIn from a post from the Falkirk CEO, took 15 days and he dealt with 4 different people at LCFC in concluding the deal for Henry Cartwright. 
 

 

🦊We welcomed Henry Cartwright up from Leicester City which constitutes a cross border loan. A cross border loan requires international clearance through FIFA which adds an extra layer of paperwork. When you are dealing with a larger club you see the multitude of staff that they have at their disposal. In this one deal I worked with their sporting director, head of football operations, head of legal and club secretary, roles that we as a club don’t have which increases my workload during transfer windows. Henry is a player identified by our head scout Allan Fraser that we have been tracking since last year and almost signed in January. Deals are rarely straight forward though and this one took 15 days from initial offer to the player becoming available for selection.

Edited 13 July 2025 by Claudio Fannieri

[Vindaloo FOX]

2 hours ago, Anderson said:

We have nothing to fear when Rudkins at the wheel!

Finally found him a job he can do.

[Bordersfox]

12 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

I get what you are saying, but do you know for a fact that’s exactly what happened?

 

Last summer we had a points deduction hanging over us, and would have been relegation favourites anyway, so how do we know Corboran or anyone else decent didn’t turn us down?

Going merely on what what was reported.  I think it highly unlikely Corberan turned down the chance to manage in the Premier League.  But sure, it's possible.  In which case who is the next best option?  Not Cooper.  

 

And we absolutely spunked a shed load on Skipp.  Edit, can see you have noted that yourself now! 

 

I can't be arsed to list multiple other poor or bizarre decisions we've made over the past few years, which have been spoken about many times here.  But I think the pattern is clear.  

 

Whilst the club is still capable of making some good choices, Enzo for example and hopefully Cifuentes now, the SLT have created an environment where bad choices and recruitment are more prevalent.

 

For any business to be successful you have in place systems and a culture that ensures that as often as possible the right decisions are made.  See Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford.  That doesn't mean mistakes won't be made but you give yourself the best chance of avoiding them.

 

What is clear is that our club is stabbing wildly in the dark a lot of the time, with too much power concentrated in the hands of people who simply don't have the skill set required.  Our footballing business model, whatever that is as the club is shrouded in secrecy, has been overtaken by smarter, more data driven clubs with far better scouting.  

Edited 13 July 2025 by Bordersfox

[VLC86]

4 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Going merely on what what was reported.  I think it highly unlikely Corberan turned down the chance to manage in the PrEmier League.  But sure, it's possible.  In which case who is the next beat option.  Not Cooper.  

 

And we absolutely spunked a shed load on Skipp.  

 

I can't be arsed to list multiple other poor or bizarre decisions we've made over the past few years, which have been spoken about many times here.  But I think the pattern is clear.  

 

Whilst the club is still capable of making some good choices, Enzo for example and hopefully Cifuentes now, the SLT have created an environment where bad choices and recruitment are more prevalent.

 

For any business to be successful you have in place systems and a culture that ensures that as often as possible the right decisions are made.  See Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford.  That doesn't mean mistakes won't be made but you give yourself the best chance of avoiding them.

 

What is clear is that our club is stabbing wildly in the dark a lot of the time, with too much power concentrated in the hands of people who simply don't have the skill set required.  Our footballing business model, whatever that is as the club is shrouded in secrecy, has been overtaken by smarter, more data driven clubs with far better scouting.  

I agree with most of that, and we are obviously a shambles, but I was questioning whether we knew that multiple managers hadn’t turned us down last summer. For me it’s pretty clear loads did, Cooper himself said the deal took ages and I think that’s because we really wanted many other people instead of him.

 

Edit: I think Piper said something on a

podcast the other day about our attempts this summer which are similar to last. Experienced managers know that their next move dictates their career, and coming to a club massively on the way down with the added gamble of the unknown re points deductions, means they aren’t going to come to us.

Edited 13 July 2025 by VLC86

[Bordersfox]

Just now, VLC86 said:

I agree with most of that, and we are obviously a shambles, but I was questioning whether we knew that multiple managers hadn’t turned us down last summer. For me it’s pretty clear loads did, Cooper himself said the deal took ages and I think that’s because we really wanted many other people instead of him.

Possibly.  I have always found it difficult to swallow that we refused to pay for Corberan and still spent big on Skipp and paid for Ayew.  In fact I think I said a few times I just couldn't see that being the case.  It just makes no sense.  Even for a poorly run club.  

 

But there seems to be an enough chaos and fvcking around with this appointment, given we knew RVN was a dead man walking months ago, to make me wonder really.  

[VLC86]

4 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Possibly.  I have always found it difficult to swallow that we refused to pay for Corberan and still spent big on Skipp and paid for Ayew.  In fact I think I said a few times I just couldn't see that being the case.  It just makes no sense.  Even for a poorly run club.  

 

But there seems to be an enough chaos and fvcking around with this appointment, given we knew RVN was a dead man walking months ago, to make me wonder really.  

There is clearly a lack of joined up thinking. But I recon we spoke to loads of managers last summer and this but the state of the club is apparent, probably more so with contacts within the game.

[AjcW]

33 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

bit of interesting insight, taken from LinkedIn from a post from the Falkirk CEO, took 15 days and he dealt with 4 different people at LCFC in concluding the deal for Henry Cartwright. 
 

 

🦊We welcomed Henry Cartwright up from Leicester City which constitutes a cross border loan. A cross border loan requires international clearance through FIFA which adds an extra layer of paperwork. When you are dealing with a larger club you see the multitude of staff that they have at their disposal. In this one deal I worked with their sporting director, head of football operations, head of legal and club secretary, roles that we as a club don’t have which increases my workload during transfer windows. Henry is a player identified by our head scout Allan Fraser that we have been tracking since last year and almost signed in January. Deals are rarely straight forward though and this one took 15 days from initial offer to the player becoming available for selection.

Really interesting point on “head of football operations” I often wonder how involved Andrew Neville is. He’s certainly one who is never mentioned in any criticism, been here donkeys years too hasn’t he? Feel like he was pre KP? 

Edited 13 July 2025 by AjcW

[urban fox]

Andrew Neville is company secretary. Been there for donkeys years. Had dealings with him way back in 2005 when I did some work for the club. Came across as a decent sort and passionate about the club. Was very open and helpful in respect of making facilities and the right people available to us in order to facilitate the work

[Spanner73]

4 hours ago, Anderson said:

We have nothing to fear when Rudkins at the wheel!

We’d have a better chance with

Frank Fukin Spencer 

[sishades]

2 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

See Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford.

The same Brentford who have let their manager and best rwo players leave?

[grth2004]

5 hours ago, David Gutteridge said:

Kevin Davies is the Director of finance Susan Whelan is C E O

Doesn’t that mean she’s still responsible for the finances of the club 🤔

She gets off very lightly here. 

[KFS]

Need to DOGE LCFC

[Lesta Legend]

46 minutes ago, sishades said:

The same Brentford who have let their manager and best rwo players leave?

Yes we let them go for free. Like PSR doesn’t exist. Brilliant. 

[Bordersfox]

1 hour ago, sishades said:

The same Brentford who have let their manager and best rwo players leave?

Firstly, as I said a sound model cannot always guarantee success, but it certainly gives you the best chance.  

 

Secondly, once Frank decided he was off, what exactly are they supposed to do? 

 

None of which is a defence for the many horrendous decisions this club has made recently.  Its amusing watching you desperately clutch at straws as usual though sissyshades. 

[john ridley]

5 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

I think I stop being surprised at anything when we refused to pay a few quid in compo to get a suitable manager in last summer, then spunked £25m on Skipp.  

Also the Eduoard fiasco 

[mozartfox]

My personal and uneducated take on this is that Top is respecting his great Father’s  wishes. Vichai may have promised Ruudkin a job for life after we won the League.  So if any truth in this, he is here for as long as Top is in sole control.  
 

This can be the only reason he has survived disaster after disaster on his watch🙀

 

 

 

[Bordersfox]

2 hours ago, john ridley said:

Also the Eduoard fiasco 

Christ, says it all that I'd somehow forgotten that one.  Indefensible. 

[HarryDee8]

He's taking his time with Marti mcfly

[MGLCFC]

2 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Vichai may have promised Ruudkin a job for life after we won the League.

Yes, I get that, but he could be given the Director of Polo role instead. He's fully qualified as he knows nothing about polo, just like his knowledge of football.

[ajthefox]

5 hours ago, sishades said:

The same Brentford who have let their manager and best rwo players leave?

How are you turning their ayers and managers being successful and wanted elsewhere -all for fees going back into the club coffers- a negative?

[Clogger_]

Genuinely disgusted that % of my ticket money goes to this fraud. Be gone, R****n!