New Director Of Football

[TMELcfc]

[foxes_rule1978]

Top can’t have friends at this level, you need to pull the trigger on those responsible for this decline. Took too long on Rodgers and now needs to make big decisions to get us moving forward again and that starts with Rudkin going 

[Fazzer 7]

Yes time for him to go or at the very demoted to a level where he has no input with the running of the club. It's a firm Rudkin out for me.

[Wymsey]

Possibly has too much loyalty served to the club now to leave.

[RobHawk]

Definately feels like we need a full clear out and rebuild across the club, whatever happens this season.

 

We don't know the full ins and outs of what goes on but from the outside looking in, it don't look pretty

[The Guvnor]

From 20/21 just a reminder of our recruitment 

 

Bertrand.           

Vestergaard.      

Soumare.           

Daka

Tete. Loan

Kristiansen

Faes

Soutarr

 

I’m assuming our director of football had some involvement in these totally underwhelming transfers.

 

 

[Trelleh]

21 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Possibly has too much loyalty served to the club now to leave.

**** his loyalty 

[Getin]

A new manager but is it also time to appoint a new Director of Football? As a senior manager Jon Rudkin with be used to the concept of accountability and appraisals so lets look at his performance over the last year:-

Team(s) performance/standings in the League - Men and Women 2nd bottom, Under 21's bottom - FAIL

Recruitment Record (signings and loan signings) dreadful - FAIL

Management of competent  recruitment team - initial appointment of Lee Congerton? months securing a replacement - FAIL

Overseeing medical side (condition coaches, analysts and medical team) worst record for player absence - FAIL

Financial management (securing productive players on the right contracts which do not all terminate at the same times nor place the club in a financial mess) - MAJOR FAIL

Overseeing the Mens team manager/coaching staff, ensuring he has sufficient resources, making timely decisions and ensuring seamless transfer as required - MAJOR FAIL

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension)- TREMENDOUS SUCCESS

 

[Foxy-Lady]

1 hour ago, Getin said:

A new manager but is it also time to appoint a new Director of Football? As a senior manager Jon Rudkin with be used to the concept of accountability and appraisals so lets look at his performance over the last year:-

Team(s) performance/standings in the League - Men and Women 2nd bottom, Under 21's bottom - FAIL

Recruitment Record (signings and loan signings) dreadful - FAIL

Management of competent  recruitment team - initial appointment of Lee Congerton? months securing a replacement - FAIL

Overseeing medical side (condition coaches, analysts and medical team) worst record for player absence - FAIL

Financial management (securing productive players on the right contracts which do not all terminate at the same times nor place the club in a financial mess) - MAJOR FAIL

Overseeing the Mens team manager/coaching staff, ensuring he has sufficient resources, making timely decisions and ensuring seamless transfer as required - MAJOR FAIL

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension)- TREMENDOUS SUCCESS

 

you've absolutely nailed it on all key performance metrics so you can be forgiven for your one "minor" oversight....

 

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension) and TWO others of his own family now on the LCFC payroll  - TREMENDOUS SUCCESS 

[MPH]

On 05/04/2023 at 08:25, Shane said:

Hopefully Huth will be ready soon. He has a masters degree in Sporting Directorship.

 

 In so much as he’ll sportingly  direct which way his elbow is  going? 
 

 

Got it

[Fazzer 7]

6 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

you've absolutely nailed it on all key performance metrics so you can be forgiven for your one "minor" oversight....

 

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension) and TWO others of his own family now on the LCFC payroll  - TREMENDOUS SUCCESS 

Who are the other Rudkins at the club, his kids?

[sacreblueits442]

...I  have just finished reading  through this thread and Rudkin does not stand a chance!!!

 There are a lot of issues laid at his door but their have been lines which were blurred when we acquired Rodgers.

Overseeing the overall development of the club was handed to Rodgers which would have impacted the views and any plans previously devised by Rudkin.

Player contracts- pretty much he is the final part of a process, where the player had been identified and agreed that we wanted said player to come in. The players about to be out of contract were not players we could offload (nobody wanted them or their existing salary made the player unlikely to make the move).

  If we were to level all the ills affecting this club at the moment at Rudkin's door, there was a solution to resolve the major issue where most could see where we were headed. If he had the power he could have stopped this decline by removing Rodgers before it got to this state. I am sure it would not have been him who suggested we give Rodgers that incredible raise in his salary which appeared to be the reason for the delay in removing him (Rodgers) from his position. If we had done this 18 months ago there would not be this naval gazing taking place.

  Rudkin as an advisor is flawed because his knowledge in the world of football is limited and therefore so is the club, in making the biggest decisions that will impact it.

 Rudkin may have the position but not the power, and Top needs to make a decision. 

[trooky]

Rudkin has to go because he is ultimately responsible for the mess we're in.

 

He allowed Rodgers to believe at the end of last season he was going to have a squad rebuild of 5- 6 players. Rodgers went public with the squad rebuilt and alienated certain members of the squad, most probably Soyuncu becasue he hasn't played this season. The rest is history, Rodgers didn't react well with the news of no squad rebuilt, never acted professionally and whatever else has gone behind the scenes at that time has damaged team morale at the start of the season from which we've never recovered. This was an unbelievable error by the club.

 

Rodgers should have been sacked at the time for his petulance, but obviously Rudkin and the club decided against it knowing they  weren't going to invest in the transfer market so unlikely to attract  a new manager of Rodgers quality. We  kept Tielemans becasue we don't have a ready made replacement in the squad and didn't want to invest to buy a replacement becasue of FFP rules and potentially being excluded from Europe.  Rudkin is responsible for the ridiculous wages paid to Soumare, Bertrand and Vestergaard so another reason he should go.

 

The squad needed investment this summer becasue it's in decline, we lost Schmeichel, Vardy was in decline and fallen off a cliff this season, Evans was finished becasue of his injuries and other key players  like Justin and Pereira have also suffered serious injuries, add to that Soyuncu being frozen out we were always going to struggle this year with Ward and Amartey playeing prominent roles.

 

Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers, sold Fofana earlier and Tielemans for the new manager to buy a new keeper, 2 x CB a replacement for Tielemans and Lookman for £11 million and we would have been safely in mid-table.

 

Instead we keep Rodgers and eventually sack and replace with only 8 games left, with 3 against Man City, Liverpool and Newcastle needing a miracle to survive

[SemperEadem]

On 08/04/2023 at 17:37, TMELcfc said:

We gatecrashed a wake in Neath and sprayed it in the bogs that day.

[sacreblueits442]

4 minutes ago, trooky said:

Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers, sold Fofana earlier and Tielemans for the new manager to buy a new keeper, 2 x CB a replacement for Tielemans and Lookman for £11 million and we would have been safely in mid-table.

...Rudkin could not have sacked Rodgers if he wanted to, only one person had that authority!!!

  Selling Fofana earlier, just imagine the furore that would have sounded had he attempted to do so.

  Tielemans has been indulged by the club and it seems has special dispensation to do whatever he likes. Do not be surprised if he is still here next season.

 The biggest mistake that has us in this position was Khun Top failing to address the problem which was Rodgers.

  A possible speculative answer would be Khun Top applying brinkmanship to the situation, assuming that Rodgers would not countenance being in charge of a relegated team and he (Rodgers) would seek to walk away on a more favourable (reduced) deal for King Power. The fact that it took so long for this to happen has left us at the edge of a precipice. 

 

[fox_up_north]

Can anyone actually clarify what his job role entails? 

[norwichfox]

21 hours ago, Foxy-Lady said:

you've absolutely nailed it on all key performance metrics so you can be forgiven for your one "minor" oversight....

 

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension) and TWO others of his own family now on the LCFC payroll  - TREMENDOUS SUCCESS 

Do tell who these Rudkinkins are and their duties...

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

21 hours ago, Foxy-Lady said:

you've absolutely nailed it on all key performance metrics so you can be forgiven for your one "minor" oversight....

 

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension) and TWO others of his own family now on the LCFC payroll  - TREMENDOUS SUCCESS 

Is that true about two members of his family on the payroll? If so that absolutely stinks. Nepotism is not the way to run a competent organisation 

[Getin]

Yesterday Forest sacked their DOF after 6 months because he was crap - accountability in action!  Unfortunately Rudkin occupies an old fashioned 'Grace and Favour' position at Leicester of the type that existed for football executives back in the 1970's. Position for life, enjoy the fat cigars and whiskey, no questions asked! There is no accountability at City probably because the CEO Rudkin reports too should also be under scrutiny for her performance  in allowing both a collapse in the financial structure and poor management below to thrive, seemingly unchallenged. The 'pandemic" is no excuse for the financial mess at City, we only have to look at similar/lesser size clubs such as Brighton, Palace, Brentford etc to see how they have managed.

[trooky]

On 08/04/2023 at 18:05, The Guvnor said:

From 20/21 just a reminder of our recruitment 

 

Bertrand.           

Vestergaard.      

Soumare.           

Daka

Tete. Loan

Kristiansen

Faes

Soutarr

 

I’m assuming our director of football had some involvement in these totally underwhelming transfers.

 

 

Good championship team that!!

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Getin said:

Yesterday Forest sacked their DOF after 6 months because he was crap - accountability in action!  Unfortunately Rudkin occupies an old fashioned 'Grace and Favour' position at Leicester of the type that existed for football executives back in the 1970's. Position for life, enjoy the fat cigars and whiskey, no questions asked! There is no accountability at City probably because the CEO Rudkin reports too should also be under scrutiny for her performance  in allowing both a collapse in the financial structure and poor management below to thrive, seemingly unchallenged. The 'pandemic" is no excuse for the financial mess at City, we only have to look at similar/lesser size clubs such as Brighton, Palace, Brentford etc to see how they have managed.

...I  am not sure just how much control the Forest DoF had in regards to bringing players in!!!

  When you have a chairman who believes bringing in over 20 players at the start of the season was a good strategy, then you really have a problem. 

  The initial reaction was to see how the manager would react to players coming in without his say-so.  Cooper has accepted it and so far has not been able to assemble a half decent side from a list of very good players. His integrity and his position was usurped and he took it. That is not someone that you want to run your team. No push back, just quiet acquiesce and receiving a patronising slaps on the back for failing to stand up and be counted.      Cooper should be offering to take the fall himself, if he had anything about him.

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, trooky said:

Rudkin has to go because he is ultimately responsible for the mess we're in.

 

He allowed Rodgers to believe at the end of last season he was going to have a squad rebuild of 5- 6 players. Rodgers went public with the squad rebuilt and alienated certain members of the squad, most probably Soyuncu becasue he hasn't played this season. The rest is history, Rodgers didn't react well with the news of no squad rebuilt, never acted professionally and whatever else has gone behind the scenes at that time has damaged team morale at the start of the season from which we've never recovered. This was an unbelievable error by the club.

 

Rodgers should have been sacked at the time for his petulance, but obviously Rudkin and the club decided against it knowing they  weren't going to invest in the transfer market so unlikely to attract  a new manager of Rodgers quality. We  kept Tielemans becasue we don't have a ready made replacement in the squad and didn't want to invest to buy a replacement becasue of FFP rules and potentially being excluded from Europe.  Rudkin is responsible for the ridiculous wages paid to Soumare, Bertrand and Vestergaard so another reason he should go.

 

The squad needed investment this summer becasue it's in decline, we lost Schmeichel, Vardy was in decline and fallen off a cliff this season, Evans was finished becasue of his injuries and other key players  like Justin and Pereira have also suffered serious injuries, add to that Soyuncu being frozen out we were always going to struggle this year with Ward and Amartey playeing prominent roles.

 

Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers, sold Fofana earlier and Tielemans for the new manager to buy a new keeper, 2 x CB a replacement for Tielemans and Lookman for £11 million and we would have been safely in mid-table.

 

Instead we keep Rodgers and eventually sack and replace with only 8 games left, with 3 against Man City, Liverpool and Newcastle needing a miracle to survive

Perhaps you should be Director of Football, you make it all sound so easy. 

[Chrysalis]

On 11/04/2023 at 09:32, Getin said:

A new manager but is it also time to appoint a new Director of Football? As a senior manager Jon Rudkin with be used to the concept of accountability and appraisals so lets look at his performance over the last year:-

Team(s) performance/standings in the League - Men and Women 2nd bottom, Under 21's bottom - FAIL

Recruitment Record (signings and loan signings) dreadful - FAIL

Management of competent  recruitment team - initial appointment of Lee Congerton? months securing a replacement - FAIL

Overseeing medical side (condition coaches, analysts and medical team) worst record for player absence - FAIL

Financial management (securing productive players on the right contracts which do not all terminate at the same times nor place the club in a financial mess) - MAJOR FAIL

Overseeing the Mens team manager/coaching staff, ensuring he has sufficient resources, making timely decisions and ensuring seamless transfer as required - MAJOR FAIL

Securing own life style - another year (now 24th?) in well paid position, great perks and no accountability (should see me nicely into an early retirement and fat pension)- TREMENDOUS SUCCESS

 

Is it listed anywhere he is responsible for contracts?

 

According to owners of other clubs. they dealt with Susan not Rudkin on contracts and negotiations on transfers.

Edited 12 April 2023 by Chrysalis

[nnfox]

I'm not sure of the power dynamics in the club.

 

Top is a hands off owner.  He spends only a small amount of time here dealing with club matters.  So it's right that he employs a DoF to help run the club on the day to day.

 

How much responsibility does Rudkin have though?  It seems to me that major decisions require final sign off from Top - again, that's fine.

 

The thing for me is what's been going on for the last 18 months.  If Rudkin has the power to fire Rodgers, he should have done it a long time ago.  If he didn't have the power to do it, he should have been on the phone on a daily basis to get Top to pull the trigger.

 

So, either Rudkin abdicated his duty to do the right thing and didn't push the problem to Top, and should be gone OR he did and Top chose to ignore him, in which case there's literally no point in Rudkin being there, and should be gone.  And if Top isn't listening to the advice of the person he employs to advise him on footballing matters, then we have to ask questions of Top too.

[volpeazzurro]

On 11/04/2023 at 15:36, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  have just finished reading  through this thread and Rudkin does not stand a chance!!!

 There are a lot of issues laid at his door but their have been lines which were blurred when we acquired Rodgers.

Overseeing the overall development of the club was handed to Rodgers which would have impacted the views and any plans previously devised by Rudkin.

Player contracts- pretty much he is the final part of a process, where the player had been identified and agreed that we wanted said player to come in. The players about to be out of contract were not players we could offload (nobody wanted them or their existing salary made the player unlikely to make the move).

  If we were to level all the ills affecting this club at the moment at Rudkin's door, there was a solution to resolve the major issue where most could see where we were headed. If he had the power he could have stopped this decline by removing Rodgers before it got to this state. I am sure it would not have been him who suggested we give Rodgers that incredible raise in his salary which appeared to be the reason for the delay in removing him (Rodgers) from his position. If we had done this 18 months ago there would not be this naval gazing taking place.

  Rudkin as an advisor is flawed because his knowledge in the world of football is limited and therefore so is the club, in making the biggest decisions that will impact it.

 Rudkin may have the position but not the power, and Top needs to make a decision. 

Yes, I think it's too easy, without knowing the full in and outs, to lay everything at Rudkin’s door. 

 

What were everyone's thoughts regarding Rudkin's performance prior to Rodger's arrival on the scene? I remember a period of unpopularity which then turned to him being the best thing since sliced bread over a period of time due to recruitment and overall club success.

 

Rodgers appeared to have eventually had a lot of say in different aspects of the running of the club including recruitment, like Congerton for example. Yet the latter's cv, if due diligence was done, wouldn't serve to encourage surely? So how did he slip through the net? Clearly Rodgers recommendation counted for a lot to somebody. 

 

Some of the signings during Rodger's reign appear to differ greatly from the previous recruitment prior to his arrival and certainly connected to him ie Perez, Bertrand and Vestergaard. Why was that? Was it Rudkin, Top or someone else that was convinced by him? It would be easy to want to back your manager because most of the media believe his elite manager status and reputation too. Surely you'd want to back such a prized manager?

 

I just personally think that there's far more to it than that and the trouble is, we don't know the half of it and therefore clutch at straws trying to find a scapegoat. For me, Rodgers was an extremely convincing individual and Top and the rest of the Board fell for his blarney hook, line and sinker. They are all equally culpable and will have hopefully learned lessons.