Castagne to Fulham

[fuchsntf]

On 12/07/2023 at 20:30, An Sionnach said:

We still do not know the level of pay reduction but even if its 30% they will still be highly paid and given that they are not exactly desirable players , very few clubs will offer them £3 million a year. Financially it works better for them to see out their contracts.

If they just want to see out their contracts instead of playing…who will be tempted to come calling for self generated losers…They are not young,a wage drop now,to hoist it in a potential successful new club with potential trophies with that future wage hike,is better than hanging around,playing deliberately not to your best ability or the chance the manager doesn’t even select you if you show disrespect to him and club..

Nothing wrong also,if they tried what was on offer but then decide going elsewhere is not concrete, I will stay have a good chinwag with manager,and promise my all for this club..

I think it’s also unfair to put unconfirmed negative gossip forward on what they will

do and will be happy to sit on their incomes…

[PAPA LAZAROU]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Today we have had a fillip from @fuchsntf and an indubitably from @PAPA LAZAROU  

The halcyon days of our Championship rebirth are here.  

 

you took an unconscionable time to recognise that young cove.

[Muzzy_no7]

On 12/07/2023 at 22:36, st albans fox said:

He won’t be offered less than his reduced salary here 

I think the only player who would be affected by this issue is vardy (new salary 70k) and possibly vestergaard who will struggle to get a 50k contract elsewhere 

Vardy is on more than 70K 

[An Sionnach]

26 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

If they just want to see out their contracts instead of playing…who will be tempted to come calling for self generated losers…They are not young,a wage drop now,to hoist it in a potential successful new club with potential trophies with that future wage hike,is better than hanging around,playing deliberately not to your best ability or the chance the manager doesn’t even select you if you show disrespect to him and club..

Nothing wrong also,if they tried what was on offer but then decide going elsewhere is not concrete, I will stay have a good chinwag with manager,and promise my all for this club..

I think it’s also unfair to put unconfirmed negative gossip forward on what they will

do and will be happy to sit on their incomes…

Every player has an agent screaming in his ear " you are not a *?!*!? charity ". Our seemingly logical opinions do not apply . Its not our money.

[st albans fox]

30 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Vardy is on more than 70K 

There have been some comments that vardy doesn’t have a relegation salary reduction - if that’s true then it simply top not being prepared to cut vards’ salary based on their relationship 

 

you can’t lay that at rudder’s door 

[Muzzy_no7]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

There have been some comments that vardy doesn’t have a relegation salary reduction - if that’s true then it simply top not being prepared to cut vards’ salary based on their relationship 

 

you can’t lay that at rudder’s door 

Yeah all sorts going round.

 

Ive heard he’s still on six figures a week.

 

He was on 160K a week in the Prem so suspect it’s been taken to 100K flat. 

[fuchsntf]

18 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Every player has an agent screaming in his ear " you are not a *?!*!? charity ". Our seemingly logical opinions do not apply . Its not our money.

I agree,

but the player,no matter how young have left mama & Papa,and are striving to make their way,they have

to be above the screaming agent and sometimes ill advised advice..It’s their life they still are bosses of their own destiny,

not the agent. If they are incapable of making their own descision &  listening only to their hangers on. Tough shit..

That why I don’t bother on the off-field business, it is only when they show they want to put on our shirt,

as a fan that’s when I kick in. Then potential,the possibilities,developement becomes of interest.

 

Fck getting oneself into never ending circle of emotional desperation to chase what’s not in our hands.

Our promotion,then title season should of shown us nothing is promised,but there also isn’t anything as lost causes

[Guest glasgowfox]

I would keep castagne.  The guy is way above championship standard.  Positional  gets caught out but imo would be one of the best wing backs in the championship.  Had a brilliant understanding with maddison going forward and hope winks or a another next season.  Imo.

[3 titles in 7 years]

Get rid.

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

If they just want to see out their contracts instead of playing…who will be tempted to come calling for self generated losers…They are not young,a wage drop now,to hoist it in a potential successful new club with potential trophies with that future wage hike,is better than hanging around,playing deliberately not to your best ability or the chance the manager doesn’t even select you if you show disrespect to him and club..

Nothing wrong also,if they tried what was on offer but then decide going elsewhere is not concrete, I will stay have a good chinwag with manager,and promise my all for this club..

I think it’s also unfair to put unconfirmed negative gossip forward on what they will

do and will be happy to sit on their incomes…

I'm consistently amazed of how few footballers seem to choose to relinquish a good wage in exchange for a better footballing option. 

 

Personally,.if I was on 100k at Leicester or offered 40k at Juve, I'd walk to Turin. And before anyone says that's not reality, I have on around 3 occasions jacked in a 'decent' job to go do something I fancied but for much lower money 

 

 

[weller54]

18 minutes ago, 3 titles in 7 years said:

Get rid.

This... 

He just typified the teams attitude last season... 

Gutless and inept. 

[Richmondfox]

10 minutes ago, weller54 said:

This... 

He just typified the teams attitude last season... 

Gutless and inept. 

He cost us several points and put the team under a lot of unnecessary pressure but didn’t get the still deserving vitriol that others got. Always chasing the attackers as he would drift out of position leaving gaps at the back. Poor positioning keeping players onside.  Offered very little when playing out from the back, happy to play a back pass than look forward and start something. When he played on the left Barnes would have to drop so far back to get the ball leaving himself too much work to do.

[Workingtonfox]

Good enough for Belgium but not good enough for City.  Something doesn't ring true there.  Is it the player or the system?

[UniFox21]

35 minutes ago, Workingtonfox said:

Good enough for Belgium but not good enough for City.  Something doesn't ring true there.  Is it the player or the system?

Both. 

When we played smooth, attacking football, he was brilliant for us. But has too many lapses in him. 

Maybe he'd suit this wingback system better, who knows if we'll properly see that 

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, Workingtonfox said:

Good enough for Belgium but not good enough for City.  Something doesn't ring true there.  Is it the player or the system?

Strange comparison. An international team is only limited by players who are available of that nationality and Belgium isn’t particularly a big country.
 

If there’s no other Belgian fullbacks they have little choice.
 

It’s like when some of the Welsh posters here were defending Danny Ward early last season because he was “an international player” - yes, of a small nation where plenty of League One players make the squad.

[Finnegan]

22 minutes ago, Sampson said:

some of the Welsh posters here were defending Danny Ward early last season

 

Highlighting that part for emphasis because most of us told you he wasn't good enough when we first signed him. 

[An Sionnach]

10 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I'm consistently amazed of how few footballers seem to choose to relinquish a good wage in exchange for a better footballing option. 

 

Personally,.if I was on 100k at Leicester or offered 40k at Juve, I'd walk to Turin. And before anyone says that's not reality, I have on around 3 occasions jacked in a 'decent' job to go do something I fancied but for much lower money 

 

 

How the *?*? did you explain that to your missus?  99% of footballers want to maximise their income.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

10 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I'm consistently amazed of how few footballers seem to choose to relinquish a good wage in exchange for a better footballing option. 

 

Personally,.if I was on 100k at Leicester or offered 40k at Juve, I'd walk to Turin. And before anyone says that's not reality, I have on around 3 occasions jacked in a 'decent' job to go do something I fancied but for much lower money 

 

 

100 per cent agree

 

it just shows sheer greed imho

 

its not like footballers are on the poverty line ffs

 

greedy cvnts 

 

I would just go somewhere else and play football and enjoy myself personally - I mean they must really struggle on just 40000 a week 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

4 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

100 per cent agree

 

it just shows sheer greed imho

 

its not like footballers are on the poverty line ffs

 

greedy cvnts 

 

I would just go somewhere else and play football and enjoy myself personally - I mean they must really struggle on just 40000 a week 

They have about 15 years where they can earn enough to literally take care of their families for generations.

 

I find it surprising more dont follow the money.

 

Yeah £40k a week is unbelievably amazing, however, £100k a week potentially takes care of another 3 or 4 generations.

 

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

They have about 15 years where they can earn enough to literally take care of their families for generations.

 

I find it surprising more dont follow the money.

 

Yeah £40k a week is unbelievably amazing, however, £100k a week potentially takes care of another 3 or 4 generations.

 

 

I get that completely 

 

however personally it's just pure greed most of the time and you can still invest wisely and look after your family and enjoy your life much more at the 40k end of things 

 

I earn around 42k a year so to get that a week is just mind blowing anyway

 

for your football playing career - surely the playing bit is more important 

[Dahnsouff]

38 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I get that completely 

 

however personally it's just pure greed most of the time and you can still invest wisely and look after your family and enjoy your life much more at the 40k end of things 

 

I earn around 42k a year so to get that a week is just mind blowing anyway

 

for your football playing career - surely the playing bit is more important 

To be honest they are probably not surrounded by people interested solely in their playing careers, and this cannot help when your advisors and agents are chasing the money, and that is their job.

 

Something wrong with the industry, or perhaps its just a microcosm of society  

[Harry the Cat]

2 hours ago, Workingtonfox said:

Good enough for Belgium but not good enough for City.  Something doesn't ring true there.  Is it the player or the system?

Precisely. And what has Belgium won? So called ‘golden generation’ choked in every tournament in recent years. Lacks the determination and consistency to be top class. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

To be honest they are probably not surrounded by people interested solely in their playing careers, and this cannot help when your advisors and agents are chasing the money, and that is their job.

 

Something wrong with the industry, or perhaps its just a microcosm of society  

Totally agree

[fuchsntf]

12 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I'm consistently amazed of how few footballers seem to choose to relinquish a good wage in exchange for a better footballing option. 

 

Personally,.if I was on 100k at Leicester or offered 40k at Juve, I'd walk to Turin. And before anyone says that's not reality, I have on around 3 occasions jacked in a 'decent' job to go do something I fancied but for much lower money 

 

 

Same here mate..

Worked in technical management in 2 proffesions after,returning from my major stem of travels / overseas work..

I just thought..why should I be kicked & arsed around from both ,people above or below..I have always no matter where I was great relations with top management or people under my wing,but as a technician,I wanted to be at the forefront of " hands-on"  the both sides of trouble shooting,and the job itself the adrenaline kick,and not the political Mish mash of non-relevant stragedies,that prevents one using the strength of one's qualification & job relevant man-management...

 

I never had anybody looking over my shoulder or was trusted with other colleagues to make or troubleshoot the jobs technical descisions...That is worth more than the few thousands per year that would come into the household..Plus I keep to the facts and don't exaggerate or under value what's needed to be done,either to customer,internal departments not my firms top management.

 

Leading or being a descision maker or troubleshooter in projects,that's all fine and goes with the job,but not higher.

I also loved working seperately has an instructor or docent..

Has a tech,one has to always make decisions, people or job related, so no fear on that side,but playing puppet on a string was not something or a path I wanted to follow..

 

Though working in the gastronomy,drinks side,and running a club or pub I enjoyed.My wife didn't want to take that on after returning from travelling 3 times. Though a camping site,she would of took on,but at the time many were collapsing all over Europe..Now a small boom over the last few years.

[UniFox21]

Another one getting a dream move ey