An Sionnach Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 2 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Stating the obvious, the quickest way out of this mess we find ourselves in (and the mostly costly) is to cut our fee expectations and write off some assets completely. Otherwise, we are going to continue having to pay out wages on deadwood for the next 2 years. I do believe we have some of our assets that are frankly unsellable. The Recruitment errors of Rudkin, Rodgers and Congereel are quite remarkable. Players like Praet, Castagne and Soumaré have been used to getting 3 or 4 million a year so are going to be highly unimpressed with clubs offering them less than half that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dahnsouff Posted 12 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 12 July 2023 Just now, TommyK said: How is Castagne not a hugely sellable asset? He's an international, regular starter in the PL the past 2 years. Prime age. He is, he bizarrely gets disproportionate crap, even after every single person in the defensive unit was rubbish last year. Maybe the unit as a whole was the problem? He still has the Atalanta form and some Belgium form and even some ours as references of his quality. People just like to negative with some players, but weirdly forgiving to others. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Players like Praet, Castagne and Soumaré have been used to getting 3 or 4 million a year so are going to be highly unimpressed with clubs offering them less than half that. It’s a contractual reduction and a situation they helped create, so couldn’t give a toss how they feel. Their agents should be making it happen if they are unhappy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: It’s a contractual reduction and a situation they helped create, so couldn’t give a toss how they feel. Their agents should be making it happen if they are unhappy. We still do not know the level of pay reduction but even if its 30% they will still be highly paid and given that they are not exactly desirable players , very few clubs will offer them £3 million a year. Financially it works better for them to see out their contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 11 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: We still do not know the level of pay reduction but even if its 30% they will still be highly paid and given that they are not exactly desirable players , very few clubs will offer them £3 million a year. Financially it works better for them to see out their contracts. Depends if they want to play at a higher level for international reasons too, it's just to many unknowns to lose any sleep over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 2 hours ago, TommyK said: How is Castagne not a hugely sellable asset? He's a international, regular starter in the PL the past 2 years. Prime age. Where is the queue? Shocking as it is, we agreed to pay him some ridiculous salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, An Sionnach said: We still do not know the level of pay reduction but even if its 30% they will still be highly paid and given that they are not exactly desirable players , very few clubs will offer them £3 million a year. Financially it works better for them to see out their contracts. Unlikely to be financially worse off as individuals. We will likely have to ‘bridge’ any wage reduction for the outstanding period of their contract. Ie if Kelechi is on £70k here, Forest sign him and pay him £50k, we would have to still keep paying him £20k for the outstanding year of his Leicester contract. Either that or agree a big chunk pay off Edited 12 July 2023 by CosbehFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 (edited) Hopefully the 30-50% wage reductions as a result of relegation will mean players and clubs are more open to moves as wages will not be as big a stumbling block Last season many thought they were on a cushy number and comfortable to hang around whilst clubs were reluctant to match deals, Players who were on £75k a week wouldn’t necessarily drop to £45 or £50k per week but now if they are on £37.5k that move looks a whole lot more appealing. I think as long as we are realistic with our valuations (big if I hasten to add) then actually moving on the players should be a lot easier this season than last. Edited 12 July 2023 by Claudio Fannieri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: Unlikely to be financially worse off as individuals. We will likely have to ‘bridge’ any wage reduction for the outstanding period of their contract. Ie if Kelechi is on £70k here, Forest sign him and pay him £50k, we would have to still keep paying him £20k for the outstanding year of his Leicester contract. Either that or agree a big chunk pay off But kel won’t be on 70k after his relegation reduction ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 13 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: Unlikely to be financially worse off as individuals. We will likely have to ‘bridge’ any wage reduction for the outstanding period of their contract. Ie if Kelechi is on £70k here, Forest sign him and pay him £50k, we would have to still keep paying him £20k for the outstanding year of his Leicester contract. Either that or agree a big chunk pay off Depends how keen they are to move. They can't be the buyer and the fcukin seller here. E.G Castagne has told his agent to get him out the door ASAP, if he's on £65k a week here and Juventus offer us an acceptable fee but only £50k, the ball may well be in his court as to whether he waives that or not and risk not leaving and putting up with egg and beans every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 17 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Where is the queue? Shocking as it is, we agreed to pay him some ridiculous salary. If his agent has agreed personal terms with juve and the player wants to go to Turin then there’s no queue because there’s no point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmondfox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, An Sionnach said: Players like Praet, Castagne and Soumaré have been used to getting 3 or 4 million a year so are going to be highly unimpressed with clubs offering them less than half that. Maybe they should watch a highlights real and be made to explain why they should be paid when they can’t even do the basics properly. So Soumare could you explain why you didn’t bother to run and tackle the player walking 1 metre away from you? Edited 12 July 2023 by Richmondfox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, st albans fox said: But kel won’t be on 70k after his relegation reduction ?? I don’t know what Kel is on. I just used an arbitrary figure to illustrate how we’d be expected to ‘top up’ or bridge the wage when his contract would run to at LCFC Edited 12 July 2023 by CosbehFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 51 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Depends how keen they are to move. They can't be the buyer and the fcukin seller here. E.G Castagne has told his agent to get him out the door ASAP, if he's on £65k a week here and Juventus offer us an acceptable fee but only £50k, the ball may well be in his court as to whether he waives that or not and risk not leaving and putting up with egg and beans every day. That’s up to the individual player but they can’t lose financially is my point regardless if they stay at LCFC or move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 Just now, CosbehFox said: I don’t know what Kel is on. I just used an arbitrary figure to illustrate how we’d be expected to ‘top up’ or bridge when his contract would run to at LCFC He won’t be offered less than his reduced salary here I think the only player who would be affected by this issue is vardy (new salary 70k) and possibly vestergaard who will struggle to get a 50k contract elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He won’t be offered less than his reduced salary here I think the only player who would be affected by this issue is vardy (new salary 70k) and possibly vestergaard who will struggle to get a 50k contract elsewhere He probably won’t. I was using an example of a final year contract player to illustrate the point that regardless if they stay at LCFC or move on - financially the players won’t lose out. An Sionnach suggested it would work better for the players at LCFC to see out of their contracts. Reality is they can’t lose out because if they were paid less than existing lcfc contracts, they’d still get a sum to make it up to their lcfc contract for the duration of or have an enormous loyalty bonus/settlement. Edited 12 July 2023 by CosbehFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 1 minute ago, CosbehFox said: He probably won’t. I was using an example of a final year contract player to illustrate the point that regardless if they stay at LCFC or move on - financially the players won’t lose out. An Sionnach suggested it would work better for the players at LCFC to see out of their contracts. Reality is they can’t lose out because if they were paid less than existing lcfc contracts, they’d still get a sum to make it up to their lcfc contract or have an enormous loyalty bonus/settlement. Usually but I wonder if relegation clauses may be valid that changes that. As I’ve mused before, we may have agreed to pay excessive PL wages in return for less than generous relegation clauses for players. (Although you’d hardly think that the players looked that bothered to be relegated given their effort over the season!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 Anyway to a side, he will be sold before end of the window unless we receive silly lowball offers. He’s had Atleti bid for him once whilst he’s here and his agent flogged him around hoping to catch a bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 12 July 2023 Share Posted 12 July 2023 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: If his agent has agreed personal terms with juve and the player wants to go to Turin then there’s no queue because there’s no point Needs to change his agent. Negotiations with a Club that have no intention of paying what the selling Club requires is, indeed pointless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtcity Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 (edited) https://www.instagram.com/p/CuypO4iMHlq/?igshid=MTIzZWMxMTBkOA== linked with Fulham, Bournemouth and Palace in the daily rags… should see is pull in a few more quid than we would from loan city Italy Edited 17 July 2023 by dbtcity 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 (edited) Too heavily and wrongly criticised on this forum…a damn good player.. The way FT Poster have the audacity to go over the top demeans this forum.. SepSmith,Chandler,Rowley,Weller,Glover,Gibson,Worthington,Whitworth,Lineker, Mahrez,Kante and Vardy, just to mention a few…would never got started if these dozos were managers… keeping Castagna ,Faes,Praet,would be a fillip for the club,if they stayed.. Edit So missed out an L..just to annoy some.. Edited 17 July 2023 by fuchsntf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 Today we have had a fillip from @fuchsntf and an indubitably from @PAPA LAZAROU The halcyon days of our Championship rebirth are here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: Today we have had a fillip from @fuchsntf and an indubitably from @PAPA LAZAROU The halcyon days of our Championship rebirth are here. I still say my fillip beats your halcyon, by an egg n bacon sandwich.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stopharage Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 1 minute ago, fuchsntf said: I still say my fillip beats your halcyon, by an egg n bacon sandwich.. I wonder whether he'll disagree with this or whether he'll fillip flop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 17 July 2023 Share Posted 17 July 2023 2 minutes ago, Stopharage said: I wonder whether he'll disagree with this or whether he'll fillip flop.. Or hit his nails with an hammer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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