Joel Piroe

[woznotwos]

8 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Isn’t he the chap who solves all of them murders??

No that’s Taggart

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Viva said:

I certainly can point the finger. We got relegated and he contributed to that! Granted he was by no means one of our worst players, but if he had performed consistently to the level he is capable of, I don’t think we would have gone down. 
 

I’ve never said he’s a bad winger. He’s just not in the £60m bracket that some people think he is. He’ll probably go for around £40m which is about right in my opinion. 

...the English Premium and what he could bring, used properly puts him at £60m!!!

It will not take much to unleash him in a way where he becomes more consistent and even more prolific, they will have to adjust his position and bring him more central without the worry of him aiding the team's defence.

  Being in the second tier does impact how other teams will view him in respect of what they are willing to pay.

[honeybradger]

11 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Any of our strikers getting into 20+ goal contributions for us next season, like Piroe has done in each of the past 2 seasons with a midtable Swansea, would be great for us?

 

He is a good striker and would be a great signing for us

I think people are overrating the level of the championship compared to the PL. For example ollie mcburnie and nathan tella, who couldnt buy a goal in their most recent PL seasons, ended the season on 13 and 17 championship goals respectively in around 2/3 of the playing time of Joel Piroe. Adam armstrong got 28 goals in a midtable championship side yet struggled to score at all in the PL.

 

Daka and iheanacho got 4 and 5 goals in a 'bad' PL season where they both hardly played. If we keep them then they will get 30+ each if they play around 3300 minutes.

 

If we buy Piroe and get promoted we will have to buy another starting striker unless he hits a much higher level with us than he has with swansea. 

 

 

[moore_94]

14 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I think people are overrating the level of the championship compared to the PL. For example ollie mcburnie and nathan tella, who couldnt buy a goal in their most recent PL seasons, ended the season on 13 and 17 championship goals respectively in around 2/3 of the playing time of Joel Piroe. Adam armstrong got 28 goals in a midtable championship side yet struggled to score at all in the PL.

 

Daka and iheanacho got 4 and 5 goals in a 'bad' PL season where they both hardly played. If we keep them then they will get 30+ each if they play around 3300 minutes.

 

If we buy Piroe and get promoted we will have to buy another starting striker unless he hits a much higher level with us than he has with swansea. 

 

 

You really think Daka and Iheanacho could be sat on 60+ goals and assists between them in the equivalent of less than 37 games?

 

I am sorry but that is crazy

 

There is a good chance Nacho is probably going to go, meaning are very likely going to need to sign a striker

 

We aren’t going to be able to pick one up who has already proved he can do it in the Prem, so our best bet is going for players like Piroe who have proved they can be good strikers in the Championship whilst still being relatively young, continue to develop them ourselves and then give them a chance in the Prem as well

 

I am not quite sure what level of striker you think we should be signing for this season?

Edited 8 July 2023 by moore_94

[Bluearmyfox28]

Seen a few people suggest potentially playing Piroe off the right… what makes people think he could play this role? 

[moore_94]

5 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Seen a few people suggest potentially playing Piroe off the right… what makes people think he could play this role? 

For me I think you could play him on the right of a front 3 where both the forwards either side of the 9 tend to drop off and be inside leaving the space out wide for the wing backs, this is his heatmap from last season

 

Edited 8 July 2023 by moore_94

[honeybradger]

20 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

You really think Daka and Iheanacho could be sat on 60+ goals and assists between them in the equivalent of less than 37 games?

 

I am sorry but that is crazy

 

There is a good chance Nacho is probably going to go, meaning are very likely going to need to sign a striker

 

We aren’t going to be able to pick one up who has already proved he can do it in the Prem, so our best bet is going for players like Piroe who have proved they can be good strikers in the Championship whilst still being relatively young, continue to develop them ourselves and then give them a chance in the Prem as well

 

I am not quite sure what level of striker you think we should be signing for this season?

Im saying we shouldnt be signing a striker at all because Piroe is significantly worse than the 3 we already have. His profile of striker of ~20 goals in the championship in 3800 minutes has a very low success rate in the PL, so he will have to be replaced if we get promoted. I would definitely not prioritise him over someone like Daka.

 

If neal maupay can hit 25 goals, adam armstrong 28 karlan grant 18 and mitrovic 43, then iheanacho and daka getting 30 goals and assists each is not unrealistic.

Edited 8 July 2023 by honeybradger

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Im saying we shouldnt be signing a striker at all because Piroe is significantly worse than the 3 we already have. His profile of striker of ~20 goals in the championship in 3800 minutes has a very low success rate in the PL, so he will have to be replaced if we get promoted. I would definitely not prioritise him over someone like Daka.

 

If neal maupay can hit 25 goals, adam armstrong 28 karlan grant 18 and mitrovic 43, then iheanacho and daka getting 30 goals each is not unrealistic.

Maybe one of them would manage it, but not both at the same time, it would be crazy to expect it from both
 

What if we lose either of them though, what are you expecting us to do then?

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Here's a stat for you, he averaged a goal/assist every 180 minutes last season, whilst playing in the championship. 

 

Fans that get on iheanacho/daka's back for their end product but want Piroe to replace him are in for a rude awakening, he's really not that good of a striker.

It’s 178 minutes for just goals.

So a goal every other game.

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, woznotwos said:

No that’s Taggart

I can’t help but think your response had a touch of Frost, about it. 

[honeybradger]

13 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Maybe one of them would manage it, but not both at the same time, it would be crazy to expect it from both
 

What if we lose either of them though, what are you expecting us to do then?

I just think that Piroe, when most tranfer prices for strikers in his bracket in the championship are around 15mil, would be wildly overpriced. If we lose iheanacho and want a 3rd striker behind Daka and Vardy then we should go for a striker from the second tiers of Italy, Germany, France or the first tier of the netherlands etc for 5 mil and probably get a similar quality player. I really dont think players of Piroes quality are particulalry rare.

Edited 8 July 2023 by honeybradger

[JimJams]

Surely knowing the system Maresca wants to play tells us if Piroe is needed or not. If we play a 352, 3412 then we need 4 strikers we'd be happy with. We currently have 3. If he wants to play a front 3 with wingers, we could potentially afford to lose one of the 3, but succession planning says we lose Vardy next season anyway, so a sale of Kel with Vardy going next year leaves you needing someone next summer, so if we like him, get him now.

[sacreblueits442]

10 hours ago, moore_94 said:

 

I am not quite sure what level of striker you think we should be signing for this season?

...I  think what he was saying was why bring in another striker, while what we presently have is more than good enough!!!

[moore_94]

46 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  think what he was saying was why bring in another striker, while what we presently have is more than good enough!!!

Problem is it seems rather likely at least one of them is going to be leaving, probably Nacho, meaning we will need a striker

[les-tah]

It would be very Leicester of us to sell

Nacho for less than what we get Piroe for.

[Finnegan]

@moore_94 @honeybradger

 

I think you're both right to an extent. 

 

I think our three strikers are all better than Piroe who does strike me as a solid finisher but a pretty average all round footballer otherwise. 

 

But equally I do think people are getting slightly carried away with the goals they're predicting our players will score. Nobody in the league got 30 last year, Mitrovic was a bit of an aberration the year before. 

 

I doubt any team is going to have two strikers both scoring 25 to 30+ goals. I do think Daka and Vardy in particular are both capable of being the league's top scorer and scoring more than Piroe mind. 

[Ric Flair]

Puroe deserves the opportunity to test himself in the PL. It was a massive surprise PSV sold him for such a low fee a few years ago, he was being heralded as a huge talent for them.

 

Anyway, what he's done in the Championship is very impressive. It's his creativity as a striker I like just as much as his goalscoring ability. If we are going two up top and Iheanacho is off then this is exactly the sort of striker I'd want alongside Vardy or Daka.

[scinnell]

Iheanacho needs to go as he has 12 months left on his contract and if he's not willing to sign an extension. We have treated him poorly throughout his time at Leicester, so I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to resign

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, scinnell said:

Iheanacho needs to go as he has 12 months left on his contract and if he's not willing to sign an extension. We have treated him poorly throughout his time at Leicester, so I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to resign

Agree. There is no way on Earth he signs a new contract whilst we are in the Championship, so he needs to be sold this window, or the self same people demanding he stays will be raging when he leaves for nothing new window. No dispute at all about him being treated poorly.

[Kuredufox]

50 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree. There is no way on Earth he signs a new contract whilst we are in the Championship, so he needs to be sold this window, or the self same people demanding he stays will be raging when he leaves for nothing new window. No dispute at all about him being treated poorly.

exactly

[Foxin_Mad]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree. There is no way on Earth he signs a new contract whilst we are in the Championship, so he needs to be sold this window, or the self same people demanding he stays will be raging when he leaves for nothing new window. No dispute at all about him being treated poorly.

I'd rather he goes for nothing, rather than go to Forest for a knock down price and keep them up. I'd deal with anyone but Forest. 

[Dahnsouff]

12 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I'd rather he goes for nothing, rather than go to Forest for a knock down price and keep them up. I'd deal with anyone but Forest. 

Would always put the good of the club first tbh, if it means he goes for a lower price but enables us to improve, so be it albeit grudgingly 

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Would always put the good of the club first tbh, if it means he goes for a lower price but enables us to improve, so be it albeit grudgingly 

How is improving a potential relegation rival in future 'for the good of the club'? Nacho is likely better than most of the mediocre championship dross that will cost 15m + these players will mostly need binning if we ever go back up. It's very much the case uts 2014 again, 10 years wasted. I would certainly not be dealing with Forest at a cut down price. 15m+ maybe we are talking. 

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

How is improving a potential relegation rival in future 'for the good of the club'? Nacho is likely better than most of the mediocre championship dross that will cost 15m + these players will mostly need binning if we ever go back up. It's very much the case uts 2014 again, 10 years wasted. I would certainly not be dealing with Forest at a cut down price. 15m+ maybe we are talking. 

We are in the Championship, Forest are in the EPL, they are not a relegation rival at this time, and this is the time that matters, not some imagined scenario in the future.

[Chelmofox]

29 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I'd rather he goes for nothing, rather than go to Forest for a knock down price and keep them up. I'd deal with anyone but Forest. 

Worry less about Forest and more about us. He won't keep forest up anyhow (certainly if he couldn't achieve that here). He will end up being used in exactly the same way as we was here.  

 

We have to sell. There is this almighty love in for Nacho which conveniently glosses over a large number of issues. We can't have someone running their contract down in a year we need to be fighting to get out of the championship. We need to take whatever we can  and use everything to rebuild.